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2005\12\18@195414 by Peter

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I am looking for resources on the subjects. I found a few things on the
net and I would appreciate the input of the list.

Book:

http://eu.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0780353765.html

Articles:

http://www.ce-mag.com/ce-mag.com/archive/01/03/ProductSafety.html

http://www.devicelink.com/mddi/archive/00/02/005.html

(whose table III gives some disturbingly low creepage clearances imho)

http://www.maxim-ic.com.cn/appnotes.cfm/appnote_number/714

(some notes from Maxim)

A very nice course intro:

http://www.stopithurting.com/CreepageandClearance.htm

tia,
Peter

2005\12\20@031338 by Chen Xiao Fan

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> From: Peter
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:54 AM
> To: pic microcontroller discussion list
> Subject: [EE]: PCB design resources
>
> I am looking for resources on the subjects. I found a few
> things on the  net and I would appreciate the input of
> the list.

You seem to put a lot of standard related issues here
for PCB design. I think it is nice to know this
kind of things in general for PCB design and for
electronics design in general.

However I would like to point out that standards
related issues are often quite complicated and
better be handled by standard experts.

One more thing, often the standard documents are not
cheap to buy but sometimes they are essential to
have in order to fully understand what the standard
experts say.

Regards,
Xiaofan

2005\12\20@141135 by Peter

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On Tue, 20 Dec 2005, Chen Xiao Fan wrote:

>> From: Peter
>> I am looking for resources on the subjects. I found a few
>> things on the  net and I would appreciate the input of
>> the list.
>
> You seem to put a lot of standard related issues here
> for PCB design. I think it is nice to know this
> kind of things in general for PCB design and for
> electronics design in general.

Yes but I am trying to make up my mind on essential things like board
size and configuration (which cannot be changed later - as opposed to
the layout, which can). I.e. I want covering figures for clearances and
so on so I can move things later if needed.

> However I would like to point out that standards
> related issues are often quite complicated and
> better be handled by standard experts.

I agree but this is not the case this time.

Peter

2005\12\20@215627 by Chen Xiao Fan

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> From: Peter
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 3:12 AM
>
> > You seem to put a lot of standard related issues here
> > for PCB design. I think it is nice to know this
> > kind of things in general for PCB design and for
> > electronics design in general.
>
> Yes but I am trying to make up my mind on essential things like board
> size and configuration (which cannot be changed later - as opposed to
> the layout, which can). I.e. I want covering figures for
> clearances and  so on so I can move things later if needed.
>

I see and I think you are doing the right thing. Maybe to
get hold of some standards will help even though they
might not be cheap. I also guess that you might be in
the industrial automation field which needs to take
care of many standards.

If board space is not an issue then of course it
is good to cover all the possible applicable standards.
This may not be the case though. Even for the basics like
creepage distance and clearance, there are so many different
standards. Typically my design follows EN50178/EN50020/UL508/UL840
depending on the application and I think there are many more
standards out there. There are also different interpretations
from the standard experts and the certification body
(very similar: the lawyers and the judges might have different
interpretations of the law) and it is sometimes quite
difficult to decide the correct things to do. ;-(

This is quite like EMC requirement. Different product
need to fulfill different standards. For us we need to
consider EN60947-5-2/EN61326/EN50295/EN61000-6-2/NAMUR NE21
depending on the product. It makes no sense to fulfill
NE21 (which is quite tough) if not necessary.

Regards,
Xiaofan

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