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'[EE]: PCB design'
2001\07\01@213156 by Ann & David Scott

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>...and ask dumb questions here....

OK.  I've used Eagle(light) to create a schematic and board.  After several edits (moving things around, ripping-up tracks, etc.),
I've ended up with some stranded tracks (?) and I can't figure out how to get rid of them.  They're not connected to any component.
They're part of the bottom/top layers.  I cannot move/select/show info on them.  When I rip-up everything they're still there.  I've
also seen similar stranded items from some components in a library.  (I'm using version 3.55r3 for Win95.)  Any suggestions?

Thanks.......Dave Scott

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2001\07\01@220511 by Mark Newland

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Since you are useing the "light" version, my first suggestion would be to upgrade to version 4.03.  Are the stranded tracks outside the
100 x 80 mm space allowed to create a board?

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2001\07\01@223926 by Gennette, Bruce

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Use the delete tool (looks like a big X drawn with a brush).

Bye.

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>...and ask dumb questions here....

OK.  I've used Eagle(light) to create a schematic and board.  After several
edits (moving things around, ripping-up tracks, etc.),
I've ended up with some stranded tracks (?) and I can't figure out how to
get rid of them.  They're not connected to any component.
They're part of the bottom/top layers.  I cannot move/select/show info on
them.  When I rip-up everything they're still there.  I've
also seen similar stranded items from some components in a library.  (I'm
using version 3.55r3 for Win95.)  Any suggestions?

Thanks.......Dave Scott

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2001\07\02@001800 by Dan Michaels

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At 06:12 PM 7/1/01 -0500, you wrote:
>>...and ask dumb questions here....
>
>OK.  I've used Eagle(light) to create a schematic and board.  After several
edits (moving things around, ripping-up tracks, etc.),
>I've ended up with some stranded tracks (?) and I can't figure out how to
get rid of them.  They're not connected to any component.


I have not used Eagle, but maybe you can use a "block" erase,
rather than track erase to get rid of them.

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2001\07\02@012114 by Ann & David Scott

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From: Gennette, Bruce <bruce.gennettespamKILLspamTAFE.NSW.EDU.AU>
> Use the delete tool (looks like a big X drawn with a brush).

My delete button looks like a pencil eraser erasing a line.  And if I try to use it, it tells me to do this in the schematic.  (As
it does also if I use this function with any other track on the board.)

From: Dan Michaels <.....oricomKILLspamspam.....USWEST.NET>
> I have not used Eagle, but maybe you can use a "block" erase,
> rather than track erase to get rid of them.

If I try to do a Group Define around this track I get a "Group Empty" message.

Thanks......DS

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2001\07\02@050624 by Roman Black

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Ann & David Scott wrote:
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> >...and ask dumb questions here....
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> OK.  I've used Eagle(light) to create a schematic and board.  After several edits (moving things around, ripping-up tracks, etc.),
> I've ended up with some stranded tracks (?) and I can't figure out how to get rid of them.  They're not connected to any component.
> They're part of the bottom/top layers.  I cannot move/select/show info on them.  When I rip-up everything they're still there.  I've
> also seen similar stranded items from some components in a library.  (I'm using version 3.55r3 for Win95.)  Any suggestions?


Hi David, one of the reasons I don't use Eagle
much anymore was some of the stranded wire and
dodgy unrouted wires.

It is a bit buggy, the best I can recommend is
to delete whatever they attach to, and add the
parts again. You may have to delete quite a few
things until it comes good, then add them again.
I have seen similar probs with the autorouter,
when ripping up some tracks to manually re-route
them it can get very buggy. Maybe an "expert"
user might know ways around these problems but
I think Eagle really needs some work before it
is friendly and usable for the newbie.
-Roman

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2001\07\02@114020 by robertf

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I see the same thing, most of
the time I use hit the
autoroute after deleting and
it eliminate these stray
lines. I asked the user/news
group about it awhile back so
I dont remember if there were
any official solution. I will
look it up and get back to
you.

Regards,

Robert F
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2001\07\02@235135 by Ann & David Scott

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Several have asked about the size of my board.  It is 102 X 51 mm (4" X 2").  By moving components further out, I am able to confirm
the limitations of the light version ( 4" X 3.2").

From: robertf <EraseMErobertfspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTMICROBALANCE.COM>
> I see the same thing, most of
> the time I use hit the
> autoroute after deleting and
> it eliminate these stray
> lines.

OK I tried it, but they're still there.

> I asked the user/news
> group about it awhile back so
> I dont remember if there were
> any official solution. I will
> look it up and get back to
> you.

That would be great.  Otherwise will soon delete .brd file and redo it (not awful). Could also give in and update my software
version.

Thanks........Dave Scott

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2001\07\03@072646 by Alexandre Domingos F. Souza

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>Several have asked about the size of my board.  It is 102 X 51 mm (4" X 2").  By moving components further out, I am able to confirm
>the limitations of the light version ( 4" X 3.2").
>From: robertf <robertfspamspam_OUTMICROBALANCE.COM>
>> I see the same thing, most of
>> the time I use hit the
>> autoroute after deleting and
>> it eliminate these stray
>> lines.

       Dunno why you still get worried with eagle. Circad does everything well, it's fast and reliable and free.

       http://www.holophase.com


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2001\07\03@135541 by Ron Wilder

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Looks like the last update to their software was almost two years ago.  I too am looking for a nice PCB/schematic package.  I've been
using IVEX for 4 years and although I'm used to saving every change, it is still annoying that it crashes so often...
Ron

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2001\07\03@211544 by Alexandre Domingos F. Souza

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>Looks like the last update to their software was almost two years ago.  I too am looking for a nice PCB/schematic package.  I've been
>using IVEX for 4 years and although I'm used to saving every change, it is still annoying that it crashes so often...

       Nothing like good assembly programmed software...


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2001\07\04@004939 by Ron Wilder

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As a follow-up... I traded emails with the http://www.holophase.com people and they corrected me that there have been some 20+ updates since that
release.  I downloaded their eval software (full one costs $1K) and immediately needed a registry fix to remove all of the white lines the
software was putting on my IBM laptop screen.  Turns out I needed to slow down the graphics accelerator.  After that it seemed to work
fine.  The people were responsive.  I need to do some testing...
Ron

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2001\07\07@214556 by Alexandre Domingos F. Souza

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>As a follow-up... I traded emails with the http://www.holophase.com people and they corrected me that there have been some 20+ updates since that
>release.  I downloaded their eval software (full one costs $1K) and immediately needed a registry fix to remove all of the white lines the
>software was putting on my IBM laptop screen.  Turns out I needed to slow down the graphics accelerator.  After that it seemed to work
>fine.  The people were responsive.  I need to do some testing...

       Circad is the best thing I've ever seen in computers directed to electronics. Period. So bad they don't agree in making a "cheap" version for hobbists and students. I'd love to buy Circad, but it's TOO expensive (man, did I said EXPENSIVE!?!?!) for almost everyone.


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2001\07\08@033723 by Ron Wilder

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One other thing I noticed is that the library seems VERY sparse compared to the ivex or orcad libraries.  I have an old copy of orcad, but it was DOS based.  Their new version runs about $1400 for schematic capture and from $3K to $11K for PCB layout.  They don't have a hobby
version anymore... Oh well..... I'll keep searching...
Ron

"Alexandre Domingos F. Souza" wrote:

> >As a follow-up... I traded emails with the http://www.holophase.com people and they corrected me that there have been some 20+ updates since that
> >release.  I downloaded their eval software (full one costs $1K) and immediately needed a registry fix to remove all of the white lines the
> >software was putting on my IBM laptop screen.  Turns out I needed to slow down the graphics accelerator.  After that it seemed to work
> >fine.  The people were responsive.  I need to do some testing...
>
>         Circad is the best thing I've ever seen in computers directed to electronics. Period. So bad they don't agree in making a "cheap" version for hobbists and students. I'd love to buy Circad, but it's TOO expensive (man, did I said EXPENSIVE!?!?!) for almost everyone.
>

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2001\07\08@100403 by Alexandre Domingos F. Souza

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>One other thing I noticed is that the library seems VERY sparse compared to the ivex or orcad libraries.  I have an old copy of orcad, but it was DOS based.  Their new version runs about $1400 for schematic capture and from $3K to $11K for PCB layout.  They don't have a hobby
>version anymore... Oh well..... I'll keep searching...

       Yes, this is true. Strange that you can find PICs but cannot find a simple switch!!! Anyway, the process of constructing a new device is simple, and does not harm.


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'[EE]: PCB Design'
2005\01\20@023137 by Alison Lewis
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Anyone have some suggestions for PCB design software
or a company that will design it for me? As a digital
artist it's best for me to focus on the result and not
get too weighed down in the nitty gritty electronic
details (which I am not good at anyways) so the easier
the program the better.






               
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2005\01\20@023800 by Dave VanHorn

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At 02:31 AM 1/20/2005, Alison Lewis wrote:

>Anyone have some suggestions for PCB design software
>or a company that will design it for me? As a digital
>artist it's best for me to focus on the result and not
>get too weighed down in the nitty gritty electronic
>details (which I am not good at anyways) so the easier
>the program the better.



Pad2Pad isn't bad, if you din't mind being tied to one vendor.
OTOH, there are lots of folks on here who do that sort of thing, either for
a living, or as a hobby.

2005\01\20@033001 by Allen Wayne

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Try Eagle..... http://www.cadsoft.de freeware upto 100x80 DS

Wayne

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Anyone have some suggestions for PCB design software
or a company that will design it for me? As a digital
artist it's best for me to focus on the result and not
get too weighed down in the nitty gritty electronic
details (which I am not good at anyways) so the easier
the program the better.






               
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2005\01\20@052242 by Russell McMahon

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> Anyone have some suggestions for PCB design software
> or a company that will design it for me?
> Try Eagle..... http://www.cadsoft.de freeware upto 100x80 DS

The old now very obsolete DOS version of Autotrax is now free, is
relatively easy to use, and can still produce creditable designs.




       RM

2005\01\20@063948 by techy fellow

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Am just wondering whether are there any PCB software that can import schematic in pdf format into itself ? Afterwhich, user can generate the PCB layout.

cheers,

Russell McMahon <RemoveMEapptechspam_OUTspamKILLspamparadise.net.nz> wrote:
> Anyone have some suggestions for PCB design software
> or a company that will design it for me?
> Try Eagle..... http://www.cadsoft.de freeware upto 100x80 DS

The old now very obsolete DOS version of Autotrax is now free, is
relatively easy to use, and can still produce creditable designs.




RM

2005\01\20@071251 by SO-8859-1?Q?Hern=E1n_Freschi?=

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sounds like you're asking too much...

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2005\01\20@073726 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 03:39 AM 1/20/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>Am just wondering whether are there any PCB software that can import
>schematic in pdf format into itself ? Afterwhich, user can generate the
>PCB layout.

No, that would be like unscrambling an egg or decompiling a HLL program.

PDF normally would be considered a "write only" format, although it's possible
to extract items from PDF files using modern tools. So, it should be the
output file from a schematic capture program. That program will "know"
about connectivity, pin numbers, footprint names and other such stuff.

Then the parts have to be placed, and the board routed. Only the last
step can be realistically automated, and even then a lot of interaction
and work is required to get a good result in most cases.

Best regards,

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2005\01\20@113449 by Mike Hord

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> Anyone have some suggestions for PCB design software
> or a company that will design it for me? As a digital
> artist it's best for me to focus on the result and not
> get too weighed down in the nitty gritty electronic
> details (which I am not good at anyways) so the easier
> the program the better.

No offense meant, but isn't that kind of like a painter that doesn't
want to be bothered with understanding all those different types of
brushes and pigments and such?  Or a sculptor with no desire to get
dirty hands?

Anyway, for PCB layout my suggestion is always Proteus.  Check out
http://www.labcenter.com for details.  I found it to be FAR more
intuitive and easy to produce results with than Eagle, and far easier
to add packages/devices to than Eagle.  But that may be just because I
started out with it.

Mike H.

2005\01\20@173926 by Peter L. Peres

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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

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You are right, but, in theory, an Xcircuit schematic turned to pdf using
the usual tools (ps2pdf etc) could be extracted as is from the pdf and
reimported into Xcircuit which will eventually have an autorouter some
day and cooperate with Pcb.

Peter

2005\01\20@221626 by Chetan Bhargava

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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:31:37 -0800 (PST), Alison Lewis
<lewischickenSTOPspamspamspam_OUTyahoo.com> wrote:
> Anyone have some suggestions for PCB design software
> or a company that will design it for me? As a digital
> artist it's best for me to focus on the result and not
> get too weighed down in the nitty gritty electronic
> details (which I am not good at anyways) so the easier
> the program the better.

I would recommend Protel 99SE. Designing your own PCB is a good experience.

Regards,

Chetan Bhargava
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2005\01\21@010551 by Shawn Wilton

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Eagle all the way.  Protel/Altium is great, but a very heavy package.
If you can find the tutorial for Eagle on the cadsoft.de site, it
becomes very easy to do.  In fact the hardest part was finding the
tutorial.

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