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2002\08\22@144723 by Jan Malina

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I'm looking for a decent online electronics store somewere in europe
(preferbly one selling 18f PICs and alot of other stuff), I just can't find
anything for some reason... something like newark would be nice...

I'm in belgium, so belgium/france/uk/netherlands/germany would be the  i
think...


thanks,

Jan

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2002\08\22@145825 by James.Hyslop

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Try http://www.conrad.de.  They have the PIC18F452-I/P  for 16,40 EURO.

James Hyslop



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I'm looking for a decent online electronics store somewere in europe
(preferbly one selling 18f PICs and alot of other stuff), I just can't find
anything for some reason... something like newark would be nice...

I'm in belgium, so belgium/france/uk/netherlands/germany would be the  i
think...


thanks,

Jan


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2002\08\22@150043 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> I'm looking for a decent online electronics store somewere in europe
> (preferbly one selling 18f PICs and alot of other stuff), I
> just can't find anything for some reason... something like newark
would be nice...

http://www.conrad.nl but they are a bit slow in catching up with the newest
PICs, but I sell those at http://www.voti.nl/shop (I can't wait until the EC
forces the banks to ease euro-zone cross-country payments)

Wouter van Ooijen

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2002\08\22@150248 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> Try http://www.conrad.de.  They have the PIC18F452-I/P  for 16,40 EURO.

(assuming that includes VAT) I sell'm for 13.21
But I am surprised that they sell them at all!

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2002\08\22@150548 by Jan Malina

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SIXTEEN?????

isn't it like $6 on the microchip site?

> Try http://www.conrad.de.  They have the PIC18F452-I/P  for 16,40 EURO.
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2002\08\22@151514 by James.Hyslop

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If you buy a quantity of 100!  I think PIC's tend to cost more in Europe...

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SIXTEEN?????

isn't it like $6 on the microchip site?

> Try http://www.conrad.de.  They have the PIC18F452-I/P  for 16,40 EURO.


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2002\08\22@153434 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> isn't it like $6 on the microchip site?

There is no microchip store (at least no functional one any more).
DigiKey 9.38000 @ singles. Add 19% sales tax...

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2002\08\22@160400 by Jan Malina

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>> Try http://www.conrad.de.  They have the PIC18F452-I/P  for 16,40 EURO.
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> (assuming that includes VAT) I sell'm for 13.21
> But I am surprised that they sell them at all!
>
> Wouter van Ooijen

Conrad.nl doesn't seem to have alot of PICs (no 18Fs, no 16F877, ...) I
haven't seen the 18F ones on your site yet Wouter, else I wouldn't be
looking for an online store that sells them :) I guess 13.21 would be decent
then... maybe I should try to use an other pic for my project... something
cheaper...

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2002\08\22@170512 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> haven't seen the 18F ones on your site yet Wouter, else I wouldn't be
> looking for an online store that sells them :)

assuming you speak dutch, try
http://www.voti.nl/winkel/producten_1.html#PIC-452

Wouter

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2002\08\22@171001 by Jan Malina

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op 22-08-2002 22:52 schreef Wouter van Ooijen op EraseMEwouterspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTVOTI.NL:

>> haven't seen the 18F ones on your site yet Wouter, else I wouldn't be
>> looking for an online store that sells them :)
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> assuming you speak dutch, try
> http://www.voti.nl/winkel/producten_1.html#PIC-452

aaaah now i see why i hadn't noticed it before

"Beschrijving    Microchip PIC 16F452-40/P (16k FLASH, 40 MHz, DIP-40)"

that should be 18F452 :)

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2002\08\23@042828 by Alan B. Pearce

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>haven't seen the 18F ones on your site yet Wouter, else I wouldn't be

I thought that too when looking through the list, but they are there. It is
because of the way he describes them without the 16F or 18F, just the last 3
numbers if the PIC part number. gets a bit confusing Wouter.

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2002\08\23@042915 by Alan B. Pearce

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>If you buy a quantity of 100!  I think PIC's tend to cost more in Europe...

>>SIXTEEN?????

>>isn't it like $6 on the microchip site?

>>> Try http://www.conrad.de.  They have the PIC18F452-I/P  for 16,40 EURO.

Don't forget that although things cost more, there is a hefty tax on top of
the price, which brings it up to these sort of levels.

Germany has 16% Mwst (VAT)
UK has 17.5% VAT
NL has 19% VAT


USA has how much sales tax?? IIRC something of the order of 1/3 of these.
Look at what the tax is in NL that Wouter has to add (to ship to anywhere
inside the EU), but his prices still look reasonable.

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2002\08\23@061038 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> inside the EU), but his prices still look reasonable.

Especially don't confuse the price for 1 chip with the price for 100+ at
DigiKey or the deals you can get for 10k!

Wouter van Ooijen

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2002\08\23@092454 by Dale Botkin

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On Fri, 23 Aug 2002, Alan B. Pearce wrote:

> Germany has 16% Mwst (VAT)
> UK has 17.5% VAT
> NL has 19% VAT

Wow.  I'm...  speechless.

> USA has how much sales tax?? IIRC something of the order of 1/3 of these.

It varies by location, since there is no national sales tax.  In my little
corner of the country it's 6.5%, I've seen much lower and as high as 8-9%,
there may be places where it's even higher.  One typically doesn't pay
sales tax when buying from an out of state or foreign supplier (for
example when I order from Digi-Key), though this is a matter of some
debate depending on where you are.  There are taxes on gasoline, tobacco,
alcohol, etc. but I suspect they're probably also nowhere near as high as
Europe and some other areas.

Wow.  16 to 19%, huh?  That really, really sucks.  My condolences.

Dale

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2002\08\23@093455 by Dominic Stratten
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Rip off eh and we pay the equivalent of over $1 per litre for petrol !!!
(0.73 ukp)

I just wish I could convert the car to run on hot air - our 4 year old son
has far too much of it.

Dom
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2002\08\23@101053 by John Walshe

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Try Ireland @21% ( and it might yet go higher if economies don't pick up!)
John

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2002\08\23@104928 by Paul Hutchinson

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In the USA there is no federal sales tax. Each state sets its own sales tax
rates and policies. I'm in Massachusetts where sales tax is 5% with food and
clothing exempt from all tax.
Businesses only have to collect sales tax for the state in which they are
located and only from residents of that state. So, when I order from
Digi-Key (Minnesota) they do not charge any sales tax. However Massachusetts
law says I'm supposed to tell the state about the purchase and send 5% to
the state, guess how often people do that :-).

Paul

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2002\08\23@120357 by Brendan Moran

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> > Germany has 16% Mwst (VAT)
> > UK has 17.5% VAT
> > NL has 19% VAT
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> Wow.  I'm...  speechless.
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> > USA has how much sales tax?? IIRC something of the order of 1/3 of
these.
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Canada is 7% (Alberta) to 14.5% (where I am) and higher.  The federal sales
tax is 7%.  The provincial sales tax in BC is 7.5%

--Brendan

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2002\08\23@122343 by Jan Malina

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op 23-08-2002 15:23 schreef Dale Botkin op RemoveMEdalespamTakeThisOuTBOTKIN.ORG:

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Hmm... afaik we have 21% (6% for some things though)

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2002\08\23@125851 by Scott M. Thomas

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I thought higher taxes hurt the economy!  Sounds like a viscous cycle to me.
;)

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Try Ireland @21% ( and it might yet go higher if economies don't pick up!)
John

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2002\08\23@133652 by Eoin Ross

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What is your income tax like ?
I pay about 30% (income) tax here in the US when I lump in Social security tax and Medicare tax
Stuff that is included under income tax in NZ. (Sales tax 12.5% and income tax 21 %) -----Original Message-----
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Try Ireland @21% ( and it might yet go higher if economies don't pick up!)
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2002\08\23@134543 by Dave Tweed

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"Scott M. Thomas" <scottSTOPspamspamspam_OUTDBT.NET> wrote:
> John Walshe <spamBeGoneJohn.WalsheSTOPspamspamEraseMEINPACTMICRO.COM> wrote:
> > Try Ireland @21% (and it might yet go higher if economies don't pick up!)
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> I thought higher taxes hurt the economy! Sounds like a viscous cycle to me.

vicious, too ;-)

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2002\08\23@134558 by Herbert Graf

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       Well here in Ontario, Canada we pay 7% GST (federal sales tax) and 8% PST
(provicial sales tax) which comes out to 15% total. Much of Canada is
similar (except for Alberta which doesn't have PST, AFAIK). TTYL

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