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2002\02\01@075513 by John

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Hello PIC.ers,

I use the windows ms calculator a lot, for hex <> binary <> dec conversions
and direct calculations in the bases without having to rigmarole
(through eg base10) to get a hex multiply or divide done.

Well & good, the help file says it operates out to 32 digits, but this seems
to only apply to decimal, not hex. which saturates at 6 digits (= 24bits).

Has anyone figured out how to get the thing to go further?
I want to do 64bit or 8 hex. byte calcs.

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2002\02\01@094800 by Paul Hutchinson

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What version do you have?
The version of calculator I have, Windows98, works for 8 Hexadecimal digits
(32bits, Dword).

There's a good _free_ program named Calc98 that works with up to 12 Hex
digits (48bits) @
http://www.calculator.org

I don't know of any calculators that work with 16 Hex digits (64bits) but,
there must be some out there.

Paul

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2002\02\01@101053 by Scott Dattalo

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On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Paul Hutchinson wrote:

> What version do you have?
> The version of calculator I have, Windows98, works for 8 Hexadecimal digits
> (32bits, Dword).
>
> There's a good _free_ program named Calc98 that works with up to 12 Hex
> digits (48bits) @
> http://www.calculator.org
>
> I don't know of any calculators that work with 16 Hex digits (64bits) but,
> there must be some out there.

What's wrong with bc (or dc)?

Here's pi to 40 hex digits:

$ echo "obase=16;scale=40;4*a(1)" | bc -l
3.243F6A8885A308D313198A2E0370734483

Scott

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2002\02\01@120157 by Paul Hutchinson

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> What's wrong with bc (or dc)?
Cool, if someday I need to work with more than 12 Hex digits I'll do it on
one of my Linux PC's.

But, the person who made the post that I was responding to was using
Windows. So, I assumed they were looking for a Windows solution. Don't know
if they have any *nix puters.

Paul

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2002\02\01@121453 by Sean H. Breheny

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At 11:59 AM 2/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>if they have any *nix puters.

I think I might have asked this before but I forget: why do people block
out the U in unix?

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2002\02\01@121838 by Dipperstein, Michael

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> From: Paul Hutchinson [.....phutchinsonKILLspamspam@spam@IMTRA.COM]
>
> > What's wrong with bc (or dc)?
> Cool, if someday I need to work with more than 12 Hex digits
> I'll do it on
> one of my Linux PC's.
>
> But, the person who made the post that I was responding to was using
> Windows. So, I assumed they were looking for a Windows
> solution. Don't know
> if they have any *nix puters.
>
> Paul

Cygwin, don't leave *nix without it.  (I can't take credit for the slogan)

http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/

-Mike

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2002\02\01@122047 by Dipperstein, Michael

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> From: Sean H. Breheny [shb7spamKILLspamCORNELL.EDU]
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> At 11:59 AM 2/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >if they have any *nix puters.
>
> I think I might have asked this before but I forget: why do
> people block
> out the U in unix?
>
> Sean

I thought that they were blocking out the Li in Linux.  :-)

-Mike

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2002\02\01@125149 by Paul Hutchinson

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> >if they have any *nix puters.
>
> I think I might have asked this before but I forget: why do people block
> out the U in unix?

To indicate any flavor of Unix and Unix like O/S's. FreeBSD, Linux, MacOSX,
Etc.

Paul

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2002\02\01@125928 by Alan B. Pearce

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>I think I might have asked this before but I forget: why do people block
>out the U in unix?

Because unix is only one flavour, and they want to infer others such as
Linux.

Also I believe Unix is a trademark of AT&T (or used to be, do not know who
would own it now).

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2002\02\01@130545 by Mitch Miller

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> I think I might have asked this before but I forget: why do people block
> out the U in unix?

I think that's don to indicate any Unix like O/S ... Ex: Linux, Unix, etc.

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2002\02\01@132606 by Paul Hutchinson

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Thanks Mike, this should make life easier for me when I'm stuck at the main
office where it's Windoze only.

Paul

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> Cygwin, don't leave *nix without it.  (I can't take credit for the slogan)
>
> http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/
>
> -Mike
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>

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2002\02\01@140840 by Bond, Peter

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> I think I might have asked this before but I forget: why do
> people block
> out the U in unix?

Wild card.

Matches Linux, Unix, Xenix etc etc.  Used to refer to almost anything
unix-like.

Ref the calculator - if bc is open source, it could always be rebuilt under
Cygwin... <G>

Peter

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2002\02\01@141706 by Scott Dattalo

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On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Bond, Peter wrote:

> Ref the calculator - if bc is open source, it could always be rebuilt under
> Cygwin... <G>


http://www.gnu.org/software/bc/bc.html

Scott

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2002\02\01@144039 by Paul Hutchinson

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I installed Cygwin during lunch break and found it includes bc as one of the
options.

Paul

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2002\02\01@144614 by uter van ooijen & floortje hanneman

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> >if they have any *nix puters.
>
> I think I might have asked this before but I forget: why do people block
> out the U in unix?

That sort of stands for all kinds of unixes (rembember there was a xenix
sometime). So *nix is a wildcard expression matching Unix, Xenix, Linux,
etc.

Wouter

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2002\02\01@185132 by Josh Koffman

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Will gpsim work under cygwin?

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> > Cygwin, don't leave *nix without it.  (I can't take credit for the slogan)
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> > http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/
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> > -Mike
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2002\02\01@192104 by Scott Dattalo

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On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Josh Koffman wrote:

> Will gpsim work under cygwin?

One person has got it working there. I tried it on a Win98 box and it
didn't work too well. The simulation ran quickly, but the gui was really
bad. This has been almost a year, so perhaps the gtk port to windows is
now better.

Scott

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2002\02\02@053743 by Peter L. Peres

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To the best of my knowledge (as a user) you won't be able to use it beyond
32 bits. I use Unix bc (under FreeBSD or Linux) for more complicated
calculations. I think that it has been compiled as an .exe using the
cygwin toolchain but I don't know where you could download it.

Peter

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2002\02\02@092221 by Scott Dattalo

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On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Peter L. Peres wrote:

> To the best of my knowledge (as a user) you won't be able to use it beyond
> 32 bits. I use Unix bc (under FreeBSD or Linux) for more complicated
> calculations. I think that it has been compiled as an .exe using the
> cygwin toolchain but I don't know where you could download it.

Since you haven't quoted any of the history of this thread, we can only
guess as to what "it" refers. If "it" is "bc", then your suggestion
about the 32 bit limitation is wrong. bc is an arbitrary precision
calculator. Now, you do need to specify the precision before a
calculation. That's what the "scale" command does. Also, if you wish to
use bc for floating point, then you need to invoke it with the -l (ell)
option.

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2002\02\03@142659 by Peter L. Peres

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>Since you haven't quoted any of the history of this thread, we can only
>guess as to what "it" refers. If "it" is "bc", then your suggestion
>about the 32 bit limitation is wrong. bc is an arbitrary precision
>calculator. Now, you do need to specify the precision before a
>calculation. That's what the "scale" command does. Also, if you wish to
>use bc for floating point, then you need to invoke it with the -l (ell)
>option.

I know all that. My response was to the original question, and the it was
the MS windows calculator. As I said I know and use bc.

Btw no-one has mentioned that one can write programs for bc (not just use
it interactively). This is a powerful feature if you need to do something
repetitively.

Peter

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2002\02\03@160216 by rgristroph

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>>>>> "Peter" == Peter L Peres <.....plpKILLspamspam.....ACTCOM.CO.IL> writes:
Peter>
>> Since you haven't quoted any of the history of this thread, we can
>> only guess as to what "it" refers. If "it" is "bc", then your
>> suggestion about the 32 bit limitation is wrong. bc is an arbitrary
>> precision calculator. Now, you do need to specify the precision
>> before a calculation. That's what the "scale" command does. Also,
>> if you wish to use bc for floating point, then you need to invoke
>> it with the -l (ell) option.
Peter>
Peter> I know all that. My response was to the original question, and
Peter> the it was the MS windows calculator. As I said I know and use
Peter> bc.
Peter>
Peter> Btw no-one has mentioned that one can write programs for bc
Peter> (not just use it interactively). This is a powerful feature if
Peter> you need to do something repetitively.
Peter>
Peter> Peter

Perhaps it is also worthy of mention that a bc can be found for
DOS/Windows.

I use the "GNU Tools for MS-Windows and MS-DOS" CD and book, which I
ordered from the Free Software Foundation.  It includes a simple
install script, which puts everything in C:\gnu or the directory of
your choice (no messing with the registry, uninstalling is as simple
as deleteing the directory) (you can also set it up to run directly
off the CD-ROM) and inludes emacs, vi, bash, sed, awk, perl, find,
grep, dd, cpio, make, all those good things, including of course bc.

I think the cygwin distribution does the same, but last time I messed
with it I could not figure out how to download everything to make a
CD, only how to install over the web, and I needed to put it on a
non-net connected machine.

If someone is interested in this CD or a few of the tools from it and
can't get it from other sources, send me an email off the list.  I
might be able to email you the stuff you want, or mail you a CD.

--Rob

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2002\02\04@025933 by John

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Hello Paul & PIC.ers,

I was the one who initiated this hex calc. thing.
Sure, I'm using windose, positively awash here with 3 flavours of it in PCs
& an ole DOS 286 m/c dedicated to logic analyser work etc., et..
I even have a C/PM 8bitter tied to a very special differential-strain load
cell.

Looong hex wouldn't have arisen except that I have to code an instrument
for 1msec resolution in timing, for a possible duration of 78 days.
I'd love to say g'bye to MS windows (who under the sun *needs* umpteen
different ways to call the same app. with chimes & useless bells / whistles)
but my guiding light has to be Microchip & the MPLAB  IDE.
So, I have the MS calculator with dec. digit calcs the length of my arm
but it runs out of steam if I throw hex numbers at it worth more'n a mere
couple of trillion.

*nix ?  I'm listening. Is Microchip tuned into this wavelength too?


       best regards,   John


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2002\02\04@045013 by Claudio Tagliola

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Make your own. If your only thing is converting to/from hex, it's not
very hard to make a string manipulation program in Delphi or VisualC or
Java or whatever. Unless you don't have any programming experience in
higher languages.

I'm kinda busy right now, anyone else upto a nice little project to bite
in?

<PAUSE>

After doing some google work: http://www.cyphercalc.com/

Features
Fast multiprecision integer math.
Accepts operands up to 16,384 bits in length.
Built-in programming language to automate calculations.
Built-in Hex/Decimal converters.
And more...

I'm not related to this company, haven't tried it, but looks like
something you're looking for.

Regards,
Claudio

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2002\02\04@045843 by D Lloyd

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Hi,

I'm not sure what your original/subsequent post(s) requested but if you are
primarily concerned with hex/dec conversion then I find ECW
(http://alextp.hotbox.ru) very useful.

Dan

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2002\02\04@053700 by Jinx

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I haven't been following this thread too closely, so apologies
if this has been suggested, and I only just remembered this
post from last year. I've included one screen shot too (sorry,
but it's such a great calculator)

The site below is no longer available, but a +Excalibur +calculator
search at Google brings up plenty of alternative download sites
for this free utility

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Subject: [EE]: Anyone knows of a really good windows
(programmers) calculat or ?


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2002\02\04@161500 by Dwayne Reid

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At 11:36 PM 2/4/02 +1300, Jinx wrote:
>I haven't been following this thread too closely, so apologies
>if this has been suggested, and I only just remembered this
>post from last year. I've included one screen shot too (sorry,
>but it's such a great calculator)
>
>The site below is no longer available, but a +Excalibur +calculator
>search at Google brings up plenty of alternative download sites
>for this free utility

I have spoken with the author (Dave Bernazzani) recently - his current
download site is:
<http://www.geocities.com/dbergis/freeware.htm> .  Its a great program but
I don't know if it handles sufficiently large numbers.

dwayne


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2002\02\04@183242 by Bob Ammerman

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The calculator in my copy of Win2000 supports 64 bit hex values.

Bob Ammerman
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