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'[EE]: Lithium Ion Batteries.. I told Ya So recall'
2006\08\17@215739 by Gus S Calabrese

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On 2006-Aug 17, at 09:33hrs AM, Howard Winter wrote:

Gus,

On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 06:07:40 -0600, Gus S Calabrese wrote:

> Recalling 4 million batteries seems like non-cost-effective approach.
> How many of these buggers have blown ?
> Would not a warning and insurance be cheaper ?

Some things should not be judged on cost, in my opinion - the  
possibility of killing people is one of them!

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England

^ Okay Howard ...... How much will you pay per person in the Sub-
sahara to spring them from slavery ?
How much will you pay to shut down every nuclear and coal fired plant  
in the U.K. ?
How much are you willing to pay to eliminate motor vehicles from the  
motorways ?
All of these present a very real possibility of killing people.
Try to imagine you are from Mars and you really want to avoid killing  
people.  How would you do it ?
( I stupidly care about the pursuit of human happiness [ I really  
do ] and I have carefully analyzed what
brings the greatest good to the greatest number.  And the answer is  
relatively easy to describe and impossible
to implement ..... because individuals are so short sighted and  
ferociously selfish. )
Gus ^


2006\08\19@091842 by Howard Winter

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Gus,

I don't know if it's just me, but I find your quoting style really confusing - I only understood who was saying what because the person you were
quoting was me!

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:57:35 -0600, Gus S Calabrese wrote:

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You are going completely away from what I said - I wasn't talking about saving every life that ends early, that's like "solving the World's problems",
an unattainable goal.

I was talking about companies calculating the cost of fixing a problem that has dangerous consequences, versus the cost of letting people get killed
and paying compensation, and deciding to go for the cheaper option.  There have been some famous cases, the Pinto fuel-tank being a classic
example.  And the US Justice system ruled that deciding to let people die for increased profits was a Bad Thing, and fined them a huge amount of
money to show them that their decision was wrong economically as well as morally.

Everyone is responsible for safety, theirs and that of people in their charge (children, employees, the public, etc).  Saying that a circular saw is
inherently dangerous so people should be careful, so we shouldn't do anything to make them safer is a deriliction of duty, IMHO.

People are remarkably versatile - it's my belief that that's why we're top species on this planet - and will always find a shortcut-way to do
something.  That's why automatic safety devices are needed, because saying "be careful" falls way short of protecting people.

(As a matter of interest there are very few coal-fired power stations left in the UK - most of them have been converted to gas.  But Tony Blair is
talking about building lots of new Nuclear power stations.  Shame he didn't ask us first...  Oh, and Motorways are the safest roads we have - it would
save more lives if we got people off the other roads and onto them!)

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2006\08\19@095037 by Dominic Stratten

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I actually find Gus rather confusing in general lmao (no offence Gus).

Dom
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2006\08\19@115447 by Herbert Graf

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On Sat, 2006-08-19 at 14:18 +0100, Howard Winter wrote:
> Gus,
>
> I don't know if it's just me, but I find your quoting style really confusing - I only understood who was saying what because the person you were
> quoting was me!

It's not just you,

I'm not sure what tool you're using Gus, but it doesn't do the standard
thing of prefixing each quoted line with a >.

I think it surrounds the quoted text with the ^ character, but even with
that I find it very difficult to figure out exactly what is quoted text
and what is reply.

Unfortunately I've found that lately just skipping Gus' posts is
sometimes necessary because of this. Sorry Gus.

TTYL

2006\08\19@122428 by olin piclist

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Herbert Graf wrote:
> I think it surrounds the quoted text with the ^ character, but even
> with that I find it very difficult to figure out exactly what is quoted
> text and what is reply.

Me too.

> Unfortunately I've found that lately just skipping Gus' posts is
> sometimes necessary because of this.

Same here.  If someone doesn't know how to format a readable email reply or
doesn't care, it's not worth bothering with.  Neatness counts, and not just
on the PIClist.

> Sorry Gus.

There is nothing to apologize for.  It's up to Gus to get with the program.
There is nothing wrong nor surprising about people ignoring annoying posts.

(I would have pointed this out several days ago, but James always says to
just hit delete when you don't like a post.  The problem with that is that
the poster doesn't get feedback that people are ignoring him or why.  I
think James' way is broken, but it's the way it is.)


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2006\08\19@124255 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Olin Lathrop wrote:

> Herbert Graf wrote:
>> I think it surrounds the quoted text with the ^ character,

I think Gus does that manually. It seems he is using Apple Mail. Not sure
what that mailer can do or can't...

> (I would have pointed this out several days ago,

Same here. I just thought that Gus probably can figure that out by himself
-- after all, he sees (or could see) his own messages.

Gerhard

2006\08\19@180055 by William Chops Westfield

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On Aug 19, 2006, at 9:42 AM, Gerhard Fiedler wrote:

>> Herbert Graf wrote:
>>> I think it surrounds the quoted text with the ^ character,
>
> I think Gus does that manually. It seems he is using Apple
> Mail. Not sure what that mailer can do or can't...
>
I'm using Apple mail, and I think my quotes come out OK (it's
a bit tough to tell since mail reformats quotes in both
composition and reading windows - quotes show with a vertical
bar on the left and get progressively fainter with each level.

I particularly like the Apple Mail feature that allows one to
select text in a message before hitting "reply", and only having
that text get copied (as quoted text) into the reply composition
editor.)

(I complained about Gus's quoting style a couple days ago; in
a private email.  Hmmph.  Just missed the fray!)

BillW

2006\08\19@225255 by Gerhard Fiedler

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William ChopsWestfield wrote:

> I'm using Apple mail, and I think my quotes come out OK (it's
> a bit tough to tell since mail reformats quotes in both
> composition and reading windows

My reader only reformats on request, so I see what you send -- and it looks
just "neat" :)

Gerhard

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