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'[EE]: INSTEON Smarthome Is anyone a developer ?'
2006\01\26@191051 by Gus Salavatore Calabrese

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I want to become a developer.  Before I got me feet
into the fire, I wanted to know a couple things.
AGSC

1)  The Developer kit  (   http://www.insteon.net/becomedev.html )
      says it has two versions.  As I understand it, there is a  
serial version
and a USB version. The USB version is a USB to serial port converter
I believe.  Is this true ?

2)  Are all of the modules controlled and accessed ( data in and  
out ) by
serial asynch commands  ?

3)  The PROTOtyping Module says i has a real time clock, one GPIO and
one i2c.  Where does the master reside for the i2c... inside the  
module or
does the developer put it out on the proto area ?  How does the proto  
area
read the real time clock ?  Is all this I/O controlled by the serial  
network
interface module using asynch serial input/output from a computer ?

Cheers

2006\01\27@104041 by Neil Cherry

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Gus Salavatore Calabrese wrote:
> I want to become a developer.  Before I got me feet
> into the fire, I wanted to know a couple things.
> AGSC
>
> 1)  The Developer kit  (   http://www.insteon.net/becomedev.html )
>        says it has two versions.  As I understand it, there is a  
> serial version
> and a USB version. The USB version is a USB to serial port converter
> I believe.  Is this true ?

No, the USB differs slightly. To send a get version command on the
serial you send 0x02 0x48. On the USB it's 0x02 0x02 0x48, the first
0x02 is the number of bytes being sent. That are a lot of other
little details you need to know. Once you work around them you can
write a routine to deal with it.

> 2)  Are all of the modules controlled and accessed ( data in and  
> out ) by  serial asynch commands  ?

With the USB & Serial port version they can be asynch (as I understand
it). That would be like X10, to take proper advantage of the protocol
you should wait for ACK, NAK or lack (lack of response).

> 3)  The PROTOtyping Module says i has a real time clock, one GPIO and

I don't have the HDK yet (I'll order that in a few months, when I
get time).

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2006\01\27@232135 by Gus Salavatore Calabrese

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Neil, do you like the INSTEON hardware ?
What is your overall impression ?

AGSC

2006\01\28@150653 by Neil Cherry

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Gus Salavatore Calabrese wrote:
> Neil, do you like the INSTEON hardware ?
> What is your overall impression ?

I like the feel, it feels like good stuff. The internals are of
higher quality than X10 (that goes without saying ;-). They are
identical to the rest of the Smarthome products but I don't know
if they have the same problems as the older Smarthome X10
compatible products. The Decora style toggle are OK with my wife.
They are causing me a bit of grief with switch covers. I have to
buy wood covers and route them to match the existing covers.

I can't speak for Insteon's PC software as I'm writing my own
(for Mr. House). So far I've only had time to write an alpha
version of a driver but it works and I use it 7x24. I have
another piece of software that can handle basic Insteon on/off
dim/bright commands and Insteon is faster than X10. I really
like the ACK/NACK/Lack (of response) for letting you know what's
going on.  Using the SignaLincs (RF transceivers) to couple the
'phases' really works well and the fact that each Insteon device
repeats the signals it sees works great. X10's coverage was weak
out to the garage and to the entertainment system (a black hole).
Insteon's signal reaches the garage just fine and while the
signal strength is lower on the entertainment leg it's strong
enough to be recognized.

A few you things need to know, Insteon devices do not repeat X10
signals (including the SignaLincs). Insteon device can be setup
for X10 and Insteon but I don't know what it's limitations are.
I know when set for both a manually switched device will send an
X10 on/off command (I wish they'd do this with Insteon commands).
Insteon devices must be registered with each other to be
controlled (you can still control the X10 without enrolling the
device). It's not a security feature but it should limit signals
from crossing from home A to B without some effort. The Insteon
PLC is not RF and power line (the tech description seems to imply
this).

Final opinion, X10 is going to lose in the HA market if they
don't do something. I am aware of UPB but I don't know enough
about it to comment (I've heard better than X10 but not as
good as Insteon in one user's opinion). I don't like Z-Wave
because the air waves are getting too congested and I don't
like their handling of my request for some support for
the Open Source community. They could have said no but instead
they said sure but you need to use our consultant and your
Open Source software needs the NDA. I explained it several
times and they still don't get it. I don't lose respect for
those that say no. I do lose respect for those who don't
bother to listen. BTW, the Insteon folks have gone way out
of their way to help and this was long after I had already
decided that I liked Insteon (and UPB).

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2006\01\30@100202 by alan smith

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Interesting....you get to PAY them...to be a developer for the product.

Gus Salavatore Calabrese <gscspamKILLspamomegadogs.com> wrote:  Neil, do you like the INSTEON hardware ?
What is your overall impression ?

AGSC

2006\01\30@101329 by Neil Cherry

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alan smith wrote:
> Interesting....you get to PAY them...to be a developer for the product.

No, I purchased support from Insteon. The controller and the Lamp
module come out to be about $89 (US) an the last $10 is for
support. I'm working with Insteon on getting the Dev Docs released
in a way that the end user doesn't have to buy the support and
it will make it easier for the Open Source folks to share their
code.

Why do you think I am paying them to be a developer?

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2006\01\30@114133 by alan smith

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I *thought* it said something on the bottom of the page....join us for $99 to become a developer.  Maybe I just mis-interpreted that?

Neil Cherry <EraseMEncherryspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTcomcast.net> wrote:  alan smith wrote:
> Interesting....you get to PAY them...to be a developer for the product.

No, I purchased support from Insteon. The controller and the Lamp
module come out to be about $89 (US) an the last $10 is for
support. I'm working with Insteon on getting the Dev Docs released
in a way that the end user doesn't have to buy the support and
it will make it easier for the Open Source folks to share their
code.

Why do you think I am paying them to be a developer?

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2006\01\30@182530 by Neil Cherry

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alan smith wrote:

>
> Neil Cherry <@spam@ncherryKILLspamspamcomcast.net> wrote:  alan smith wrote:
>> Interesting....you get to PAY them...to be a developer for the product.
>
> No, I purchased support from Insteon. The controller and the Lamp
> module come out to be about $89 (US) an the last $10 is for
> support. I'm working with Insteon on getting the Dev Docs released
> in a way that the end user doesn't have to buy the support and
> it will make it easier for the Open Source folks to share their
> code.
>
> Why do you think I am paying them to be a developer?

> I *thought* it said something on the bottom of the page....join us
for > $99 to become a developer.  Maybe I just mis-interpreted that?

Well a little bit, I think they could have worded it better. But I
have seen worse. But you can't, at this time, get the dev docs
without buying the dev kit. You do get something for your $99 but
you can't do dev work without it. I'm hoping we can change that.

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