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'[EE]: Good PCB Design Software?'
2001\05\14@220929 by Gabriel Gonzalez

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You can try Eagle by Cadsoft. You can download a freeware version from:
http://www.cadsoftusa.com

Gabriel


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2001\05\15@101653 by David Cary

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Dear Jim Murphy,

>From: "Jim Murphy" <spam_OUTjambellyTakeThisOuTspamHOTMAIL.COM>
>To: <.....PICLISTKILLspamspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 7:45 PM
>Subject: [OT]: Good PCB Design Software?
> Hi folks,
>
>      Do any of you use software to design PCB's which fits the following
> specs:
>
>      a.  Reasonable learning curve;
>      b.  Reasonable cost or shareware;
>      c.  Windows 98 environment;
>      d.  Stable (ie. few crashes, etc.);
>      e.  Needn't be industrial strength, but must
>          print traces to laser printer and suggest trace routes;
>
>      As you can tell, I'm new to creating boards
...
> Jim Murphy

I'm currently using
 Protel
 http://www.protel.com/
to design circuit boards, although it fails to meet criteria a,b,d.

I recommend looking at
 gEDA
 http://www.geda.seul.org/
which is open source. It was inadequate when I looked at it a year ago, but they
seemed to be making rapid progress. (Is it usable already ?)
The gEDA web page also points to a bunch of other open source EE tools.

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2001\05\17@051835 by Vasile Surducan

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Eagle has a profesional version cracked somewhere on the net.

On Tue, 15 May 2001, David Cary wrote:

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2001\05\17@061233 by Roman Black

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Vasile Surducan wrote:
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> Eagle has a profesional version cracked somewhere on the net.

Vasile, I don't want to sound like the "net police"
but if you must promote pirated software can you
email him off-list?? Some of us paid a lot of money
for software we use and this sort of reply gives
me a sick feeling in my stomach...
-Roman


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2001\05\17@065011 by Vasile Surducan
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Sorry for your pain, will never happen anymore...
However, all good PCB design software have such clones or cracked
versions, it needs only time and nerves to find it, it's not my fault that
these firms can't protect his own software, I do not distribute, promote
or crack programs, I only inform you about this reality ( which probably
you already know...)
Excuse me again.
Vasile

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2001\05\17@075322 by Olin Lathrop

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Vasile Surducan (vasileEraseMEspam.....l30.itim-cj.ro) wrote:

> ... has a profesional version cracked somewhere on the net.

It's bad enough someone cracked the software and posted it on the web.  I
hope they catch the dirtbag and put him in jail where he belongs.  I'm even
more dismayed that I'm seeing someone on the PIClist helping people steal
software.  Up to now it seemed we had a bunch of decent people here.  Is
there anything we can do about this, James?


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Olin Lathrop, embedded systems consultant in Littleton Massachusetts
(978) 742-9014, EraseMEolinspamembedinc.com, http://www.embedinc.com

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2001\05\17@090818 by Bob Ammerman

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Olin Lathrop" <RemoveMEolin_piclistEraseMEspamEraseMEEMBEDINC.COM>
To: <RemoveMEPICLISTspam_OUTspamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [EE]: Good PCB Design Software?


> Vasile Surducan (RemoveMEvasileTakeThisOuTspamspaml30.itim-cj.ro) wrote:
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> > ... has a profesional version cracked somewhere on the net.
>
> It's bad enough someone cracked the software and posted it on the web.  I
> hope they catch the dirtbag and put him in jail where he belongs.  I'm
even
> more dismayed that I'm seeing someone on the PIClist helping people steal
> software.  Up to now it seemed we had a bunch of decent people here.  Is
> there anything we can do about this, James?
>
>
> ********************************************************************
> Olin Lathrop, embedded systems consultant in Littleton Massachusetts
> (978) 742-9014, EraseMEolinspamspamspamBeGoneembedinc.com, http://www.embedinc.com

Amen,

I would like to see it be a piclist rule that posts that in any way
encourage or enable the violation of law be prohibited.

While I understand the situation of those in the third world re: cost and
availability of software, it still doesn't make it right!

Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems
(contract development of high performance, high function, low-level
software)

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2001\05\17@092518 by Dale Botkin

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On Thu, 17 May 2001, Bob Ammerman wrote:

> I would like to see it be a piclist rule that posts that in any way
> encourage or enable the violation of law be prohibited.

I would sagree in principal, sort of...  but whose laws exactly?  It's an
international list, and local laws vary quite a bit.  A lot of things that
are perfectly legal inthe US will get you in trouble elsewhere, and vice
versa.

If we talk about a specific rule prohibiting the discussion of pirated
software on the list, I could possibly be swayed...  but that would have
to apply to flames & rants about the topic as well as advocacy of using
pirated software.  In any case, I think I see a camel's nose poking into
the tent here.

> While I understand the situation of those in the third world re: cost
> and availability of software, it still doesn't make it right!

True...  but none of the above arguments is making censorship any more
palatable for me this morning.

Dale
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On my desk I have a workstation...

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2001\05\17@093155 by John Walshe

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Although I can understand Bob's call I would not encourage such a move. The
laws of what country would be applied?? e.g.  the good ould encryption laws
if the US for instance could prohibit a thread on that topic.

I believe such a move could ring the deathknell for the Piclist.

I think a rap on the knuckles response of Olin's type should suffice.

That's my tuppence worth

Slightly aside: I heard on the radio this morning that somewhere in Florida
it is against the law to break wind (i.e. fart) in public on Thurday
evenings after 18:00hrs !

John

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2001\05\17@093418 by Bob Ammerman

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I would be comfortable with a rule banning any mention of pirated software,
pro or con.

Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems
(contract development of high performance, high function, low-level
software)

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2001\05\18@033252 by dr. Imre Bartfai

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Hi,

Eagle kindly offers also a free version with a PCB size limitation. There
is another free PCB program (sorry, no schematic, PCB only), called
EasyTrax. Using them does not violate any law or anyone's right.

Regards,
Imre


On Thu, 17 May 2001, Bob Ammerman wrote:

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