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2001\12\12@020045 by Russell McMahon

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Fuel Economizer TM

Up to 20% fuel savings
Works by magnetic polarisation / Van der Wahls forces
Money back 6 month warranty.
Livelier acceleration.

Mentioned in a news item in a local NZ engineering newspaper - article is a
direct copy of the article at third link below.
Expect to see it on NZ market sometime soon as some enterprising
entrepreneur snaps it up.

Sixth item down - fuel miser.

269 pounds UK I think I saw somewhere (about $NZ800 / $US 350.

       http://www.uk-canada-trade.org/news/indexa.html

2.     Asian version

Appears different physically but has same name (TM) as unit being offered in
UK.
Seems like they work on the same principal (TM)

They say -

Fuel Economizer™ employs the scientifically accepted principle of
polarization. Polarizing modifies the viscosity index of the fuel, thus
altering surface tension. With less surface tension, the molecules tend to
move further apart allowing a better oxygen mixture which in turn increases
the explosive power, leaving less unburned deposits and residues. Translated
into automotive terms, this means more horsepower - lower emissions - better
fuel economy.

       http://home1.pacific.net.sg/~jimmytoo/fuelecon.htm

Detailed operating description

       http://home1.pacific.net.sg/~jimmytoo/fuec.htm


**** LATE NEWS ****

       If you like the idea of a fuel economizer)TM) then this may also
interest you -

Due to a late change of plans by a customer the Brooklyn Bridge that we
advised was gone last week is again on the market.
Be quick as bridges of this type don't become available very often. Genuine
buyers only please. POA



   regards


           Russell McMahon

                                       It seems that, even with a 6 month
guarantee period,
                                       you can fool some of the people all
of the time.

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2001\12\12@045001 by Jon Baker

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> **** LATE NEWS ****
>
> Due to a late change of plans by a customer the Brooklyn Bridge that we
> advised was gone last week is again on the market.
> Be quick as bridges of this type don't become available very often.
Genuine
> buyers only please. POA

Damn IT!. I already sent them the cash for that bridge. I knew I shouldn't
have fallen for it especially after buying the Eiffel tower last year. :)

Jon Baker

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2001\12\12@061654 by Also-Antal Csaba

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Russell McMahon wrote:
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> Fuel Economizer TM
>
> Up to 20% fuel savings
> Works by magnetic polarisation / Van der Wahls forces
> Money back 6 month warranty.
> Livelier acceleration.

And the engine effectivity will be 55% from 35%??? Today is not april 1.

udv
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2001\12\12@074444 by Russell McMahon

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> Russell McMahon wrote:
> >
> > Fuel Economizer TM
> >
> > Up to 20% fuel savings
> > Works by magnetic polarisation / Van der Wahls forces
> > Money back 6 month warranty.
> > Livelier acceleration.
>
> And the engine effectivity will be 55% from 35%??? Today is not april 1.
>
> udv
> Csaba


I hope you read all the way to the bottom of my post - presumably the bit
about buying the Brooklyn Bridge showed what I thought about it :-)
Note though that THEY are serious  about selling this junk and people line
up with good money to buy it AND some conclude that it works. Maybe I could
sell pre-treated fuel from the pump so that they don't need to fit them to
their cars ??? :-)



       RM

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2001\12\12@083859 by Dale Botkin

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On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Russell McMahon wrote:

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Heck, just add a little soap.  Modifies the surface tension AND you have
detergent gasoline!  8-D

Dale

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2001\12\12@084759 by Jon Baker

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> Heck, just add a little soap.  Modifies the surface tension AND you have
> detergent gasoline!  8-D

I found preheating the fuel was quite good for improving efficiency.. run
the fuel pipe past the exhaust manifold a few times to get it nice and hot,
and when it sprays into the carb it seems to atomise better than if it were
cold- I guess providing a larger surface area for reacting when the spark
plug sparks... Probably wouldnt do much for injection engines though.

Jon

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2001\12\12@094710 by Micro Eng

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way back..when I was in high school...the local farm supply stores could not
keep cow magnets in stock.  What people were doing was to take them (these
were used by farmers to attract metal eaten by cows so they didnt rupture
the stomachs)and attach to the fuel line and presto, get polarization of the
fuel hydrocarbons.  Some SWORE they got increased preformance, etc.  Now
since I have done some work in MR, I know just what it takes to polarize
water let alone a complex hydrocarbon.

But if you get one person who claims to get more miles per gallon....seems
to snowball.

They do the same thing with removing the calcite from water, ie...software
without the salt.  Or so they claim to be doing...


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2001\12\16@172806 by Alexandre Domingos F. Souza

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>I hope you read all the way to the bottom of my post - presumably the bit
>about buying the Brooklyn Bridge showed what I thought about it :-)
>Note though that THEY are serious  about selling this junk and people line
>up with good money to buy it AND some conclude that it works. Maybe I could
>sell pre-treated fuel from the pump so that they don't need to fit them to
>their cars ??? :-)

       For each clever people on the world, there is a bunch of dumb ones ;o)

       These are common things. The funniest was the "cellular wave absorver" sold in Brazil - a small black plastic box (with some lead inside) that "isolates you from the dangerous radiation of your cellular phone, and improves the range of the same, lenghtning (ughhh) the duration of the battery". That was FUN! :oD And cost about Us$ 20. It was sold as hot cake ;o)



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2001\12\16@172822 by Alexandre Domingos F. Souza

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>> Heck, just add a little soap.  Modifies the surface tension AND you have
>> detergent gasoline!  8-D

       Napalm? ;o)

>I found preheating the fuel was quite good for improving efficiency.. run
>the fuel pipe past the exhaust manifold a few times to get it nice and hot,
>and when it sprays into the carb it seems to atomise better than if it were
>cold- I guess providing a larger surface area for reacting when the spark
>plug sparks... Probably wouldnt do much for injection engines though.

       In Brazil tried to cool the fuel, and it gave (they said) improved efficiency. heheh ;o)


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2001\12\16@172829 by Alexandre Domingos F. Souza

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>But if you get one person who claims to get more miles per gallon....seems
>to snowball.
>They do the same thing with removing the calcite from water, ie...software
>without the salt.  Or so they claim to be doing...

       Anyone wants to buy the "Cristo Redentor" (for the ones who doesn't know Brazil, is a BIG (man, did I said B I G?) statue of Jesus Christ, on the top of Urca mountain, in Rio de Janeiro, with His arms full open), for a cheap price? Inquiries to my e-mail, POA ;o)


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2001\12\16@184455 by Russell McMahon

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>      In Brazil tried to cool the fuel, and it gave (they said) improved
efficiency. heheh ;o)


A variation of that can work as long as you design the rest of your system
around it.
A colder charge of fuel/air is denser so you can  fit more in the same space
so that you get more energy available per cylinder firing. You have to cool
not only the fuel but the air as well and make sure everything else is not
affected adversely by this. Note that does not improve the efficiency per se
but the available power from a given engine. Do it too well and you will get
pinking (detonation) etc.



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2001\12\16@191534 by Benjamin Bromilow

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>        These are common things. The funniest was the >"cellular wave
absorver" sold in Brazil - a small black >plastic box (with some lead
inside) that "isolates you >from the dangerous radiation of your cellular
phone, and >improves the range of the same, lenghtning (ughhh) the >duration
of the battery". That was FUN! :oD And cost >about Us$ 20. It was sold as
hot cake ;o)

I saw an advert for these with one attached to a pager/bleeper. Now that's
clever!
Then again as a slave to a bleep, it would be nice to have something which
isolates me from all those nasty signals :)

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2001\12\16@192838 by Alexandre Domingos F. Souza

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>Sixth item down - fuel miser.
>269 pounds UK I think I saw somewhere (about $NZ800 / $US 350.

       UEPA! Associated to Sinclair International? Isn't this the company of Sir Clive Sinclair???

       Hmmm, strange. I Doubt Sir Clive would put his bald head in a scam subject like this..


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2001\12\17@011040 by ards, Justin P

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Thats what I thought nitros oxide did, help cool the fuel air mixture so ya
can get more in there, as with turbo charging supercharging etc.  So I guess
warming it would make it appear to be efficient.

I always asked why not just add a bottle of O2 but that is obvious now.

Justin
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2001\12\17@014920 by Russell McMahon

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>Sixth item down - fuel miser.
>269 pounds UK I think I saw somewhere (about $NZ800 / $US 350.

       UEPA! Associated to Sinclair International? Isn't this the company
of Sir Clive Sinclair???

       Hmmm, strange. I Doubt Sir Clive would put his bald head in a scam
subject like this..



I SUSPECT that that is a clever scam. I searched for Sinclair International
and it appears to be a US company producing audio products. In the UK the
name would imply to people that Sir Clive was responsible. I hope he's not.

AFAIR he operates (operated?) as Cambridge Research in later years.


       Russell McMahon

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2001\12\17@053842 by steve

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>         In Brazil tried to cool the fuel, and it gave (they said)
>         improved
> efficiency. heheh ;o)

Cooling fuel does give more efficiency but not directly. It's quite
common for race cars to run a "cool can" which is a bucket of ice
that the fuel line runs through. A small increase in efficiency is
gained by the atomized fuel cooling the intake air, making it more
dense so it improves the volumetric efficiency. It's worth a couple of
horsepower, which isn't much but it is cheap.

The major gain occurs when it gets into the combustion chamber
and cools the residual gases from the previous exhaust cycle.
Removing some of that heat means that you can run a higher
compression ratio and that makes more power. Water injection
does the same thing.

It's similar to Octane ratings. A higher octane doesn't produce
more power, but it allows you increase the peak cylinder pressure
(through static compression ratio, supercharging, etc) before
unwanted things occur. That assumes no EFI computer that winds
it up until it starts to rattle and then backs it off half a turn.

> Thats what I thought nitros oxide did, help cool the fuel air mixture
> so ya can get more in there, as with turbo charging supercharging etc.

Nitrous is really good at cooling the intake temp as it is in liquid
form until it is right in the intake stream. Crack open a propane
tank and see how cold the valve gets. Then it does a double duty
by using up combustion chamber heat to dissociate into nitrogen &
oxygen. And then as an added bonus, you've got twice as much
free oxygen to burn.
Because of the cooling you can bolt 150hp of nitrous onto a V8
without any modification other than retarding the timing a bit
(notwithstanding the bottom end hanging together). If you did the
same with a mechanical supercharger, you'd be draining pistons
out of the sump plug.

> I always asked why not just add a bottle of O2 but that is obvious
> now.

It's been tried but it has a few major problems. A tank the size of a
scuba bottle holds around 90 cubic feet of gas under pressure. A
street 350 cid engine sucks around 600 cubic feet of air per minute
so a tank isn't going to last long.
Second problem - Pure oxygen + oil = bang. This is good if the
bang occurs in the right place and at the right time. You've just got
to get it there.
That's what makes nitrous so good, it needs the heat of the
chamber to break into a form that goes bang and is relatively inert
until then.

More power !
:-)

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2001\12\18@172249 by Peter L. Peres

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Afaik, in theory, by replacing the air intake with pure oxygen a power
increase of up to 5x is possible (air is ~20% oxygen, and that's all that
burns in an engine, with the fuel). Of course this means 5x heat
dissipation in the engine, so it will turn into a molten puddle of metal
very soon unless specially constructed, and it can only be tried with
direct injection engines (Diesel - oxygen ignites on contact with any oil
or fuel and it would explode in the intake manifold of any carb or
external injection engine), you can't use normal gaskets anywhere on the
intake side, special oil, etc.

Also several attempts were made to boost engine performance. One of them
was oxygen injection into the air intake. F.ex. 5% oxygen addition to the
normal intake air should give at most 25% more power (accompanied by
suitable injection settings). A normal engine may even withstand this
abuse for a while. Nowadays people prefer to use Nitromethane.

High performance engines that are supercharged often use an intercooler,
to cool the air between the compressor and the intake manifold, to
increase charge density. The difference (vs. no intercooler) can be as
much as 50% charge density for supercharged car engines afaik.

Peter

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2001\12\18@173955 by chris

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So, what about the Ozone we can make electrically? Is it O3? Would a modest
addition not also increase combustion efficiency?
After all, Nitro is nasty, dangerous, expensive, and tastes awful!
CL
ps: has anyone else ever heard of Yunick's (sp?) adiabatic engine? (talk
about heat)... A PIC based controller could actually have made it a viable,
saleable thing. Too bad Ford and Chrysler nixed it....
c

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> Afaik, in theory, by replacing the air intake with pure oxygen a power
> increase of up to 5x is possible (air is ~20% oxygen, and
> that's all that
> burns in an engine, with the fuel). Of course this means 5x heat
> dissipation in the engine, so it will turn into a molten
> puddle of metal
> very soon unless specially constructed,
>

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2001\12\18@175356 by Kirk Lovewell

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Don't know what Ozone (yes, it's O3) would do to the combustion effciency,
but would be very problematic since it is WAY more reactive than pure O2.
All of the considerations mentioned below regarding O2 injection (ie,
special oils, etc.) would apply even more to O3 injection.  O3 reacts very
readily with any organic compounds, might actually reduce effeciency because
of pre-ignition reactions with the fuel.

Kirk

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