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Fuel Economizer TM Up to 20% fuel savings Works by magnetic polarisation / Van der Wahls forces Money back 6 month warranty. Livelier acceleration. Mentioned in a news item in a local NZ engineering newspaper - article is a direct copy of the article at third link below. Expect to see it on NZ market sometime soon as some enterprising entrepreneur snaps it up. Sixth item down - fuel miser. 269 pounds UK I think I saw somewhere (about $NZ800 / $US 350. http://www.uk-canada-trade.org/news/indexa.html 2. Asian version Appears different physically but has same name (TM) as unit being offered in UK. Seems like they work on the same principal (TM) They say - Fuel Economizer™ employs the scientifically accepted principle of polarization. Polarizing modifies the viscosity index of the fuel, thus altering surface tension. With less surface tension, the molecules tend to move further apart allowing a better oxygen mixture which in turn increases the explosive power, leaving less unburned deposits and residues. Translated into automotive terms, this means more horsepower - lower emissions - better fuel economy. http://home1.pacific.net.sg/~jimmytoo/fuelecon.htm Detailed operating description http://home1.pacific.net.sg/~jimmytoo/fuec.htm **** LATE NEWS **** If you like the idea of a fuel economizer)TM) then this may also interest you - Due to a late change of plans by a customer the Brooklyn Bridge that we advised was gone last week is again on the market. Be quick as bridges of this type don't become available very often. Genuine buyers only please. POA regards Russell McMahon It seems that, even with a 6 month guarantee period, you can fool some of the people all of the time. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList spam_OUTpiclist-unsubscribe-requestTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu

> Russell McMahon wrote: > > > > Fuel Economizer TM > > > > Up to 20% fuel savings > > Works by magnetic polarisation / Van der Wahls forces > > Money back 6 month warranty. > > Livelier acceleration. > > And the engine effectivity will be 55% from 35%??? Today is not april 1. > > udv > Csaba I hope you read all the way to the bottom of my post - presumably the bit about buying the Brooklyn Bridge showed what I thought about it :-) Note though that THEY are serious about selling this junk and people line up with good money to buy it AND some conclude that it works. Maybe I could sell pre-treated fuel from the pump so that they don't need to fit them to their cars ??? :-) RM -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList .....piclist-unsubscribe-requestKILLspam.....mitvma.mit.edu

On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Russell McMahon wrote: {Quote hidden}> > Russell McMahon wrote: > > > > > > Fuel Economizer TM > > > > > > Up to 20% fuel savings > > > Works by magnetic polarisation / Van der Wahls forces > > > Money back 6 month warranty. > > > Livelier acceleration. > > > > And the engine effectivity will be 55% from 35%??? Today is not april 1. > > > > udv > > Csaba > > > I hope you read all the way to the bottom of my post - presumably the bit > about buying the Brooklyn Bridge showed what I thought about it :-) > Note though that THEY are serious about selling this junk and people line > up with good money to buy it AND some conclude that it works. Maybe I could > sell pre-treated fuel from the pump so that they don't need to fit them to > their cars ??? :-) Heck, just add a little soap. Modifies the surface tension AND you have detergent gasoline! 8-D Dale -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList EraseMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestspam_OUTTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu

way back..when I was in high school...the local farm supply stores could not keep cow magnets in stock. What people were doing was to take them (these were used by farmers to attract metal eaten by cows so they didnt rupture the stomachs)and attach to the fuel line and presto, get polarization of the fuel hydrocarbons. Some SWORE they got increased preformance, etc. Now since I have done some work in MR, I know just what it takes to polarize water let alone a complex hydrocarbon. But if you get one person who claims to get more miles per gallon....seems to snowball. They do the same thing with removing the calcite from water, ie...software without the salt. Or so they claim to be doing... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList @spam@piclist-unsubscribe-requestKILLspammitvma.mit.edu

>I hope you read all the way to the bottom of my post - presumably the bit >about buying the Brooklyn Bridge showed what I thought about it :-) >Note though that THEY are serious about selling this junk and people line >up with good money to buy it AND some conclude that it works. Maybe I could >sell pre-treated fuel from the pump so that they don't need to fit them to >their cars ??? :-) For each clever people on the world, there is a bunch of dumb ones ;o) These are common things. The funniest was the "cellular wave absorver" sold in Brazil - a small black plastic box (with some lead inside) that "isolates you from the dangerous radiation of your cellular phone, and improves the range of the same, lenghtning (ughhh) the duration of the battery". That was FUN! :oD And cost about Us$ 20. It was sold as hot cake ;o) ---8<---Corte aqui---8<---- Alexandre Souza KILLspamtaitoKILLspamterra.com.br http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/pinball/ ---8<---Corte aqui---8<---- -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email RemoveMElistservTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

>> Heck, just add a little soap. Modifies the surface tension AND you have >> detergent gasoline! 8-D Napalm? ;o) >I found preheating the fuel was quite good for improving efficiency.. run >the fuel pipe past the exhaust manifold a few times to get it nice and hot, >and when it sprays into the carb it seems to atomise better than if it were >cold- I guess providing a larger surface area for reacting when the spark >plug sparks... Probably wouldnt do much for injection engines though. In Brazil tried to cool the fuel, and it gave (they said) improved efficiency. heheh ;o) ---8<---Corte aqui---8<---- Alexandre Souza spamBeGonetaitospamBeGoneterra.com.br http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/pinball/ ---8<---Corte aqui---8<---- -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email TakeThisOuTlistservEraseMEspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

>But if you get one person who claims to get more miles per gallon....seems >to snowball. >They do the same thing with removing the calcite from water, ie...software >without the salt. Or so they claim to be doing... Anyone wants to buy the "Cristo Redentor" (for the ones who doesn't know Brazil, is a BIG (man, did I said B I G?) statue of Jesus Christ, on the top of Urca mountain, in Rio de Janeiro, with His arms full open), for a cheap price? Inquiries to my e-mail, POA ;o) ---8<---Corte aqui---8<---- Alexandre Souza RemoveMEtaitoTakeThisOuTterra.com.br http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/pinball/ ---8<---Corte aqui---8<---- -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listservEraseME.....mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

> In Brazil tried to cool the fuel, and it gave (they said) improved efficiency. heheh ;o) A variation of that can work as long as you design the rest of your system around it. A colder charge of fuel/air is denser so you can fit more in the same space so that you get more energy available per cylinder firing. You have to cool not only the fuel but the air as well and make sure everything else is not affected adversely by this. Note that does not improve the efficiency per se but the available power from a given engine. Do it too well and you will get pinking (detonation) etc. RM -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email EraseMElistservmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

> These are common things. The funniest was the >"cellular wave absorver" sold in Brazil - a small black >plastic box (with some lead inside) that "isolates you >from the dangerous radiation of your cellular phone, and >improves the range of the same, lenghtning (ughhh) the >duration of the battery". That was FUN! :oD And cost >about Us$ 20. It was sold as hot cake ;o) I saw an advert for these with one attached to a pager/bleeper. Now that's clever! Then again as a slave to a bleep, it would be nice to have something which isolates me from all those nasty signals :) Ben -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email RemoveMElistservEraseMEEraseMEmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

>Sixth item down - fuel miser. >269 pounds UK I think I saw somewhere (about $NZ800 / $US 350. UEPA! Associated to Sinclair International? Isn't this the company of Sir Clive Sinclair??? Hmmm, strange. I Doubt Sir Clive would put his bald head in a scam subject like this.. ---8<---Corte aqui---8<---- Alexandre Souza RemoveMEtaitospam_OUTKILLspamterra.com.br http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/pinball/ ---8<---Corte aqui---8<---- -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email RemoveMElistservTakeThisOuTspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

>Sixth item down - fuel miser. >269 pounds UK I think I saw somewhere (about $NZ800 / $US 350. UEPA! Associated to Sinclair International? Isn't this the company of Sir Clive Sinclair??? Hmmm, strange. I Doubt Sir Clive would put his bald head in a scam subject like this.. I SUSPECT that that is a clever scam. I searched for Sinclair International and it appears to be a US company producing audio products. In the UK the name would imply to people that Sir Clive was responsible. I hope he's not. AFAIR he operates (operated?) as Cambridge Research in later years. Russell McMahon -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList EraseMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestspamspamBeGonemitvma.mit.edu

> In Brazil tried to cool the fuel, and it gave (they said) > improved > efficiency. heheh ;o) Cooling fuel does give more efficiency but not directly. It's quite common for race cars to run a "cool can" which is a bucket of ice that the fuel line runs through. A small increase in efficiency is gained by the atomized fuel cooling the intake air, making it more dense so it improves the volumetric efficiency. It's worth a couple of horsepower, which isn't much but it is cheap. The major gain occurs when it gets into the combustion chamber and cools the residual gases from the previous exhaust cycle. Removing some of that heat means that you can run a higher compression ratio and that makes more power. Water injection does the same thing. It's similar to Octane ratings. A higher octane doesn't produce more power, but it allows you increase the peak cylinder pressure (through static compression ratio, supercharging, etc) before unwanted things occur. That assumes no EFI computer that winds it up until it starts to rattle and then backs it off half a turn. > Thats what I thought nitros oxide did, help cool the fuel air mixture > so ya can get more in there, as with turbo charging supercharging etc. Nitrous is really good at cooling the intake temp as it is in liquid form until it is right in the intake stream. Crack open a propane tank and see how cold the valve gets. Then it does a double duty by using up combustion chamber heat to dissociate into nitrogen & oxygen. And then as an added bonus, you've got twice as much free oxygen to burn. Because of the cooling you can bolt 150hp of nitrous onto a V8 without any modification other than retarding the timing a bit (notwithstanding the bottom end hanging together). If you did the same with a mechanical supercharger, you'd be draining pistons out of the sump plug. > I always asked why not just add a bottle of O2 but that is obvious > now. It's been tried but it has a few major problems. A tank the size of a scuba bottle holds around 90 cubic feet of gas under pressure. A street 350 cid engine sucks around 600 cubic feet of air per minute so a tank isn't going to last long. Second problem - Pure oxygen + oil = bang. This is good if the bang occurs in the right place and at the right time. You've just got to get it there. That's what makes nitrous so good, it needs the heat of the chamber to break into a form that goes bang and is relatively inert until then. More power ! :-) Steve. ====================================================== Steve Baldwin Electronic Product Design TLA Microsystems Ltd Microcontroller Specialists PO Box 15-680, New Lynn http://www.tla.co.nz Auckland, New Zealand ph +64 9 820-2221 email: RemoveMEstevebKILLspamtla.co.nz fax +64 9 820-1929 ====================================================== -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList piclist-unsubscribe-requestSTOPspamspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu

Afaik, in theory, by replacing the air intake with pure oxygen a power increase of up to 5x is possible (air is ~20% oxygen, and that's all that burns in an engine, with the fuel). Of course this means 5x heat dissipation in the engine, so it will turn into a molten puddle of metal very soon unless specially constructed, and it can only be tried with direct injection engines (Diesel - oxygen ignites on contact with any oil or fuel and it would explode in the intake manifold of any carb or external injection engine), you can't use normal gaskets anywhere on the intake side, special oil, etc. Also several attempts were made to boost engine performance. One of them was oxygen injection into the air intake. F.ex. 5% oxygen addition to the normal intake air should give at most 25% more power (accompanied by suitable injection settings). A normal engine may even withstand this abuse for a while. Nowadays people prefer to use Nitromethane. High performance engines that are supercharged often use an intercooler, to cool the air between the compressor and the intake manifold, to increase charge density. The difference (vs. no intercooler) can be as much as 50% charge density for supercharged car engines afaik. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

So, what about the Ozone we can make electrically? Is it O3? Would a modest addition not also increase combustion efficiency? After all, Nitro is nasty, dangerous, expensive, and tastes awful! CL ps: has anyone else ever heard of Yunick's (sp?) adiabatic engine? (talk about heat)... A PIC based controller could actually have made it a viable, saleable thing. Too bad Ford and Chrysler nixed it.... c > > Afaik, in theory, by replacing the air intake with pure oxygen a power > increase of up to 5x is possible (air is ~20% oxygen, and > that's all that > burns in an engine, with the fuel). Of course this means 5x heat > dissipation in the engine, so it will turn into a molten > puddle of metal > very soon unless specially constructed, > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

Don't know what Ozone (yes, it's O3) would do to the combustion effciency, but would be very problematic since it is WAY more reactive than pure O2. All of the considerations mentioned below regarding O2 injection (ie, special oils, etc.) would apply even more to O3 injection. O3 reacts very readily with any organic compounds, might actually reduce effeciency because of pre-ignition reactions with the fuel. Kirk {Quote hidden}> > So, what about the Ozone we can make electrically? Is it O3? > Would a modest > addition not also increase combustion efficiency? > After all, Nitro is nasty, dangerous, expensive, and tastes awful! > CL > ps: has anyone else ever heard of Yunick's (sp?) adiabatic > engine? (talk > about heat)... A PIC based controller could actually have > made it a viable, > saleable thing. Too bad Ford and Chrysler nixed it.... > c > > > > > Afaik, in theory, by replacing the air intake with pure > oxygen a power > > increase of up to 5x is possible (air is ~20% oxygen, and > > that's all that > > burns in an engine, with the fuel). Of course this means 5x heat > > dissipation in the engine, so it will turn into a molten > > puddle of metal > > very soon unless specially constructed, > > > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads