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2002\03\20@164443 by Pic Dude

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Within Eagle, I can't figure out how to dump each side of a 2-layer PCB
to a regular inkjet printer.  Is there a quick few-sentence answer to this?
Or do I need to go find a manual/tutorial?

So far I have done both sides separately and printed them out okay.  But
with 2 layers overlayed one on the other, it prints it as shown on the
screen (one over the other).

Thanks,
-Neil.

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2002\03\20@165447 by Edson Brusque

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Hello Neil,

>Within Eagle, I can't figure out how to dump each side of a 2-layer PCB
>to a regular inkjet printer.  Is there a quick few-sentence answer to this?
>Or do I need to go find a manual/tutorial?

   better go to the manual. This is very basic and you seen to be lost
half-way.

   You just have to print each side separately, selecting with the
"show/hide layers" the layer you want to print. The bottom side you'll
probably have to print mirrored.

   Best regards,

   Brusque

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2002\03\20@172413 by Jinx

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> Within Eagle, I can't figure out how to dump each side of a
> 2-layer PCB to a regular inkjet printer

Select TIFF as the output in the CAM Processor. My board
house is quite happy to produce PCBs from a printout and
they've done boards for me this way - no problem. I routinely
use 8 mil tracks for SMT layouts and even under a magnifying
glass the lines are perfect. The other big plus is that you can
load the TIFF into a graphics program and add all sorts of
graphics / text or modify traces

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2002\03\20@175704 by Pic Dude

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Ahhh...that did it. I was expecting something more automated.

Much thanks,
-Neil.



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> Hello Neil,
>
> >Within Eagle, I can't figure out how to dump each side of a 2-layer PCB
> >to a regular inkjet printer.  Is there a quick few-sentence answer to
this?
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2002\03\20@182157 by Pic Dude

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"... My board house..."

Yes, someday I'd like to think that I will be outsourcing PCB's
regularly and would have a supplier that I could call "my board
house".  :-)

Out of curiousity though, don't the board houses require a
separate file for drills, etc?

I don't have the TIFF option in my (freebie) version of Eagle,
but I like this program enough that I'll haggling over picking up
a more complete version.

Thanks,
-Neil.


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2002\03\20@194140 by Jinx

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> Out of curiousity though, don't the board houses require a
> separate file for drills, etc?

Most of my pin-throughs are 0.7mm. It takes little time for them
to digitise drilling positions with a crosshair. Any other drilling
instructions are easy enough to make a note of, or I drill them
myself

> I don't have the TIFF option in my (freebie) version of Eagle,

Bet you do. I've got the 3.55 freebie version. Have a look in the
pull-down Device menu in the CAM Processor. You'll see a
whole slew of output options, which includes TIFF, Gerber and
printers

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2002\03\20@211816 by Olin Lathrop

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>>
Within Eagle, I can't figure out how to dump each side of a 2-layer PCB
to a regular inkjet printer.  Is there a quick few-sentence answer to this?
Or do I need to go find a manual/tutorial?
<<

Checking the manual or the built in help should always be the FIRST thing to
try.  It's rather rude to ask 2000 people to take time out from their lives
to do you a favor if you haven't even done the simple and obvious thing to
help yourself.

By the way, I've done this with Eagle.  Although I don't remember for sure,
I *think* I know how to do this.  If the answer is what I'm thinking then it
is the logical approach.  Go check the manual and tell us the answer, then
I'll see if I was right.


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2002\03\20@213909 by Pic Dude

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I've got 4.08r2 Light Edition.  The cam processor device pulldown is
where I checked and no TIFF.  I do however have EPS, which did
the trick.  From there I can convert to TIFF, but don't really need
to at this time.

Cheers.


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2002\03\20@222153 by Jinx

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> I've got 4.08r2 Light Edition.  The cam processor device
> pulldown is where I checked and no TIFF.  I do however
> have EPS, which did the trick.  From there I can convert to
> TIFF, but don't really need to at this time.

Yes, you're right. I looked in 4.01 and TIFF is gorn

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2002\03\20@225114 by Pic Dude

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> Checking the manual or the built in help should always be the FIRST thing
to ..

Experimented a bit first, but no dice. Checked online help next, and still
nothing.  The help on mine is really more of a command reference, and
the print section references some options that are not present in my
version.
Third option was the tutorial I have, which did not answer the question
still -- it was less than a half-page of text (if I remember correctly) and
was less useful than the help for this.

Next best step seemed to be asking.


> It's rather rude to ask 2000 people to take time out from their lives ...

Then sincere apologies for disturbing you.  My impression was that this
was the value of the piclist.  The intention was not to be rude.


> Go check the manual and ...

No need to.  Problem solved with others' help.

Much thanks for taking the time to respond, even if it did spawn 4000
more disturbances...:-)




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2002\03\21@020301 by uter van ooijen & floortje hanneman

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> I don't have the TIFF option in my (freebie) version of Eagle,
> but I like this program enough that I'll haggling over picking up
> a more complete version.

As a newbie in PCB-land I just mailed Olmex my Eagle .pcb file, and after
one iteration of comment from them I now have my boards. No other file
(types) involved.

Wouter van Ooijen
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2002\03\21@021719 by Jinx

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Have you got all that's available in the way of manuals ? I
thought I had until a friend pointed out there was more at
the site. I think there's an Eagle support group too

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2002\03\21@023517 by Pic Dude

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So I won't have to figure out what a gerber file is before I deal
with these folks (someday)?  Nice!


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2002\03\21@024146 by Vasile Surducan

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On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Jinx wrote:

> > I've got 4.08r2 Light Edition.  The cam processor device

and how do you read older projects ?



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2002\03\21@024208 by Pic Dude

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Only manual I have is tutorial-eng.pdf from their website.  Up to this
point, I never really needed one (cause I'm not using the schematic
editor -- just laying out my board manually).  So I've not researched
what's out there.  I figured the $$ version would come with better
docs.  But if you have any links, I'd much appreciate them.

I'll go investigate their site ...

Cheers,
-Neil.



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2002\03\21@032315 by Jinx

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Either I'm missing something (possible) but this page

<www.cadsoft.de/cgi-bin/download.pl?page=/home/cadsoft/html_public/do
wnload.htm.en&dir=pub/userfiles/doc>

doesn't appear to have as much info on 4.xx as I got for 3.55

Go back to the home page http://www.cadsoft.de and perhaps
try the Eagle forum if you need more help or instruction

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2002\03\21@035418 by Trevor Page

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Gerber files? Come on man, it's eeeeasy :o)

Seriously, I think it's useful to know at least the basics, know about
apertures and so on. Here's a good read:

http://www.artwork.com/gerber/appl2.htm

Cheers

Trev


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2002\03\21@091736 by Olin Lathrop

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> Out of curiousity though, don't the board houses require a
> separate file for drills, etc?
>
> I don't have the TIFF option in my (freebie) version of Eagle,
> but I like this program enough that I'll haggling over picking up
> a more complete version.

Your version of Eagle is fully capable except that the board size and the
number of schematic pages is limited.

Most board houses aren't going to want TIFF.  It's probably a good idea to
learn how to make Gerber artwork and Excellon drill files for the holes.
These formats are as close as it gets to the "standard" for communicating
info to a board house.  Many board houses will also take some other formats,
but the Gerber and Excellon are the ones they all have in common and usually
prefer.


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