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'[EE]: Display possibilities'
2004\08\28@100346 by Martin McCormick

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       I want to have a lighted display in a clock in which the
digits are in the general range of 2 to 4 inches high.  If someone
makes individual digits like that then I will need to build a
controller for them, of course.

       If there is a display module that fits this general
description, then I need to be able to connect it using DIP headers or
something similar that I can accommodate with wire wrap technology.

       The idea is to make the clock work first and add the display
last such that the clock treats the display like a peripheral and
updates it but doesn't concern itself with lighting up this or that
segment.  It would just send out BCD or ASCII digits to a second PIC
that managed the display itself.

       What I don't desire is what I have seen in some devices I have
salvaged in which there is a ribbon of 4 score and 7 tiny stranded
conductors wave soldered to the surface of both the display board and
the main board.  That is not my idea of fun.  I am sure it works fine
in a mass-production environment, but not here.:-)

       Thanks for any useful ideas.  This is a one-of-a-kind project,
but one never knows where these things can lead.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK
OSU Information Technology Division Network Operations Group
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2004\08\29@024754 by Engineering Info

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You mention "lighted display".  Are you wanting the big red LED's or are
you talking an LCD with a light behind it?

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2004\08\30@092114 by Mike Hord

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Perhaps some surplus Nixie tubes in that size can be found on
Ebay?

O.W., I fear you may need to make the display from individual
LEDs.  Not TERRIBLE, but certainly not plug and play.

Here, how about this from Mouser:
Part # 512-GMA2985C, 2.3" 5x8 LED matrix.  $6 each.
Or, part # 696-lds-cd12RI, single digit, 2.25" 7 segment. $9 each.

Or, from Digikey:
www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?Ref=19739&Row=307425&Site=US
~$11, 4 inch single digit.

It's going to be a bit pricey.

Good luck!

Mike H.

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2004\08\30@121610 by William Chops Westfield

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On Aug 30, 2004, at 6:14 AM, Mike Hord wrote:

> O.W., I fear you may need to make the display from individual
> LEDs.  Not TERRIBLE, but certainly not plug and play.
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With modern ultrabright LEDs, you shouldn't need more than two leds per
segment, I'd think.  Although the engineering required to get even
brightness
out of edge-illuminated "things" is pretty daunting (take apart a laptop
backlight sometime.)

The electroluminescent wire I was talking about in another thread might
make
interesting clock segments, but the brightness and lifetime isn't great
for
a clock that would need to be read in the daytime to.

Hmm.  For a somewhat LARGER clock (say, 12 inch high digits), I bet you
could
do interesting things with those CCFL tubes that aren't too expensive
on the
surplus market.

For those last two, driving electronics might be ... challenging.

BillW

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2004\08\30@140059 by Mike Harrison
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I missed the start of this therad, but you can get 7-seg  LED displays up to 8" high (Forge Europa,
Farnell 366-5320), or for a 10" display that's truly sunlight readable, how about these :

http://www.distel.co.uk/asps/details1.asp?ID=RW44

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'[EE]: Display possibilities'
2004\09\01@122931 by Martin McCormick
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Engineering Info writes:
>You mention "lighted display".  Are you wanting the big red LED's or are
>you talking an LCD with a light behind it?

       Probably the LED's would be the easiest to design around but
they would also require the highest drive currents.

       A back-lit LCD would have virtually no segment drive current
but would need a supply for whatever light source was used.  Do they
make large LCD digits that one can mount in a row?  If so, this would
be a good possibility.

       Right now, I am just digging for possibilities and will choose
one that appears to be optimal.
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2004\09\01@133638 by Engineering Info

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You ever see the LCD's on gas pumps?  Are those big enough for you?  Did
a quick search on Digikey.  They have one at 2.21" high (67-1507-ND),
another at 2.99" high (67-1508-ND), and a third at 4.00" high
(67-1509-ND).  Could maybe find better and/or cheaper elsewhere.

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2004\09\01@134230 by John J. McDonough

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From: "Martin McCormick" <spam_OUTmartinTakeThisOuTspamdc.cis.okstate.edu>
Subject: Re: [EE]: Display possibilities

> Probably the LED's would be the easiest to design around but
> they would also require the highest drive currents.

Actually, LCDs are pretty easy to deploy .. they take a lot less support
circuitry.  Your LED digits are the guys that will need your 4 score and 7
tiny wires.

> A back-lit LCD would have virtually no segment drive current
> but would need a supply for whatever light source was used.  Do they
> make large LCD digits that one can mount in a row?  If so, this would
> be a good possibility.

On the other hand, large, LED backlit LCD's can draw astonishing amounts of
current for their backlights.  Electroluminescent backlights draw a lot less
current, but need weird voltages.

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2004\09\01@141816 by Martin McCormick

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Mike Harrison writes:
>I missed the start of this therad, but you can get 7-seg  LED displays up to 8
>" high (Forge Europa,
>Farnell 366-5320), or for a 10" display that's truly sunlight readable, how ab
>out these :
>
> http://www.distel.co.uk/asps/details1.asp?ID=RW44

       My thanks for all the suggestions.  One of you
referred to CCFL tubes.  I am not familiar with them unless they are
those little fluorescent tubes that are found in portable lanterns.  I
remember almost buying a bunch once at a ham fest because the seller
only wanted ten Cents a piece for them and it occurred to me at the
time that one could make a sign with them, but I had a
huge stack of stuff all ready along those same lines so I passed them
by.:-)

       They are probably a bit longer than necessary for this
application, but several of the other displays mentioned in
this thread sound like just the thing.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK
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2004\09\01@210553 by Engineering Info

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Your close, think smaller.  I have seen CCFL tubes almost as small as a
Q-tip (minus the cotton fuzz at the ends) and I'm sure they probally
make them smaller.  There is also this special Electro Illuminesenct
film that I have used (whos name escapes me at the moment) that glows a
nice blue simular to some watches I have seen.

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2004\09\03@091600 by Peter L. Peres
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