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'[EE]: Avoid Windows XP Service Pack 1'
2002\10\01@140829 by myke predko

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Hi Folks,

I just wanted to let Windows XP users know that XP Service Pack 1 (XPSP1),
which became available for download over the weekend should not be
downloaded.  It took me four days to figure out why my mouse started working
intermittently and why the system usage would jump to 20% after a few
minutes.  This was done with a lot of help from HP and Microsoft support
people.

The word I got this morning from HP is that they are getting swamped with
people having trouble with their machines.

If you already have installed XPSP1 and your PC is starting to act
strangely, click on "Start" -> "Setting" -> "Control Panel" -> "Add/Remove
Programs", scroll down until you find the service pack item and click on
"Remove".  The "Remove" takes a LONG TIME, on the order of an hour, so
unless you have a book or something, you might want to do something while
this is happening.

After you "Remove" and you've rebooted, you'll notice that your system will
take a very long time to start working properly again (also on the order of
an hour).

myke

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2002\10\01@143924 by Nick Veys

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Am I the only one who thinks a blanket statement like this is kind of
irresponsible?  Seems like you run an HP from the text, which would
imply a certain model of HP, which would imply a certain problem with
hardware/software compatibility with XPSP1.  An issue I'm sure many,
many people will not have.  Mine and every system I admin have been
running SP1 for several weeks now with no issues whatsoever.

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2002\10\01@151059 by 4HAZ

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I administer a medium scale network here and while I tend to take "blanket
statements" with a grain of salt, I also have learned to use caution on
"updates". One of the so-called security patches disabled something we were
exploiting here. Another example is mdm.exe I have yet to identify what it
is supposed to do, but it gradually slows the computer down further and
further, till you think you need to upgrade. delete mdm.exe and the machine
is back to its old self again. another one is WINMGMT.EXE, anyone knows
management can slow productivity ;-)

Lonnie - KF4HAZ -
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> Am I the only one who thinks a blanket statement like this is kind of
> irresponsible?  Seems like you run an HP from the text, which would
> imply a certain model of HP, which would imply a certain problem with
> hardware/software compatibility with XPSP1.  An issue I'm sure many,
> many people will not have.  Mine and every system I admin have been
> running SP1 for several weeks now with no issues whatsoever.
>
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2002\10\01@151108 by myke predko

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Hi Nick,

Sorry, I should have pointed out that *Microsoft* were the ones that
admitted that XPSP1 "isn't as stable as they would like it to be" (direct
quote from one of the emails) and recommending removing it.  The reason why
HP was mentioned is because Microsoft will not be the first line of support
for OEM pre-installed O/Ses - all the conversations had to go through HP.

This is the same if you had a Dell or any other OEM with pre-installed
Windows XP.

If your PC is working fine with it, then don't do anything.  If it is acting
strangely and you have it installed, then you might want to try removing it.

The purpose of the email was to try and save people the grief that I went
through this weekend along with the various experiments trying to identify
the problem.

myke
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> Am I the only one who thinks a blanket statement like this is kind of
> irresponsible?  Seems like you run an HP from the text, which would
> imply a certain model of HP, which would imply a certain problem with
> hardware/software compatibility with XPSP1.  An issue I'm sure many,
> many people will not have.  Mine and every system I admin have been
> running SP1 for several weeks now with no issues whatsoever.
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> > {Original Message removed}

2002\10\01@154516 by Nick Veys

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Agreed, wasn't attacking or anything, just felt like playing Devil's
Advocate at the very least, just in case someone was confused as we know
people easily are nowadays. :)

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2002\10\01@154934 by Dipperstein, Michael

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Brian Livingston wrote a "Window Manager" article in InfoWorld that mentions a
few of the problems and also contains links to some Microsoft advisories.

Here's a link to the InfoWorld article:

http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/02/09/30/020930opwinman.xml?1001tugripe


-Mike

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2002\10\01@204502 by Jim Korman

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Nick Veys wrote:

>Am I the only one who thinks a blanket statement like this is kind of
>irresponsible?
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Agreed, however in this case I certainly did consider the source! I
don't think Mike
makes a habit of passing along inet gossip!

Jim

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2002\10\01@211700 by jpeixoto

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One more warning:

The service pack does detect if one has used one of the serial numbers
circulating on the Net to install his/hers XP.

The following is an excerpt from Microsoft
(http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/windowsxpsp1.asp):

"With Service Pack 1 for Windows XP, Microsoft will introduce additional
technological measures aimed at ensuring licensed customers receive full
benefits and to make it more difficult for those who pirate software to
steal these same benefits."

I recommend reading this page.

I am not condoning piracy but I feel this might be important to someone who
inadvertently might be using a not-so-legal XP license.

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2002\10\01@212858 by Nick Veys

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I wholly agree, I wasn't intending slander and I hope it wasn't felt
that I was.  Hell I have one of his books right here. :)

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2002\10\01@222321 by myke predko

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No offence was taken - when I read Nick's email, I realized that I should
have been more explicit about being (more or less) in direct contact with
Microsoft.

I should have also pointed out more emphatically that you should delete the
files if only if you are having problems.

myke
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> I wholly agree, I wasn't intending slander and I hope it wasn't felt
> that I was.  Hell I have one of his books right here. :)
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2002\10\01@225925 by DFansler

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I get an XP newsletter every week and the headline on this weeks (tonight)
is that there is a 20% chance that SP1 will kill your system.  The
newsletter can be viewed at http://www.winxpnews.com/?id=45

David V. Fansler
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http://www.DV-Fansler.com

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2002\10\09@172123 by rusque (Listas)

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Hello Lonnie,

> Another example is mdm.exe I have yet to identify what it
> is supposed to do, but it gradually slows the computer down further and
> further, till you think you need to upgrade. delete mdm.exe and the
machine
> is back to its old self again. another one is WINMGMT.EXE, anyone knows
> management can slow productivity ;-)

   I'm using WinME and I have a WINMGMT.EXE on my machine. Can I just
delete it? What does it do?

   Also, do you know where can I find information about:

       C:\WINDOWS\System\Restore\StateMgr.exe
       Rundll32.exe powrprof.dll,LoadCurrentPwrScheme
       mstask.exe
       C:\WINDOWS\PCHealth\Support\PCHSchd.exe -s
       C:\WINDOWS\scanregw.exe /autorun
       SysTray.Exe
       C:\WINDOWS\taskmon.exe

   I want to know what those executables do, why they are called at each
startup and if I can delete it or delete those lines from
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run.

   Thanks,

   Brusque

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2002\10\10@021837 by ISO-8859-1?Q?Ruben_J=F6nsson?=

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You can use msconfig (start->run->msconfig) to temporarily disable automatically loaded programs.
It doesn't tell you what the program do, but you can at least check how your system reacts before you remove it permanently.

Ruben

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2002\10\10@055732 by Russell McMahon

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You can use msconfig (start->run->msconfig) to temporarily
disable automatically loaded programs.

It doesn't tell you what the program do, but you can at least
check how your system reacts before you remove it permanently.
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It is a very very good idea to regularly take a quick scan down the startup
column in MSCONFIG. All sorts of interesting things tend to creep in there.
Also the WIN.INI/Windows tab in the same program which shows what loads from
WIN.INI at startup.


       RM

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