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'[EE]: Ascii text "drawing" software -- ASCIICAD'
2002\01\29@162052 by Al Williams

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OK, my last version of ASCIICAD is up for the day :-)

Version 1.4 has a grid (switchable) and the facility to load parts
From a library. Just draw your library in the top left corner of
A blank screen (or use cut and paste to put it there) and save it.

Then in another drawing Shift+Click (left click) and use Insert |
Library to open a library file and put its contents in the workspace.
I'm including a resistor library to get you started.

I hate when I get a wild hair like this :-)

ASCIICAD:
http://wd5gnr.virtualave.net/cgi-bin/TWiki/view.pl/Main/AsciiCad

Use UserID: GuestUser
And Password: guest

(both case-sensitive).

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2002\01\29@170455 by Chris Loiacono

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Al, this is super.

Just one thing. Do you have any spare time for sale?
I can't imagine you being bored. Wild hare maybe, bored......

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2002\01\29@172431 by Al Williams

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Not much spare time, but yes, I do consulting about 50% of the time. The
problem is I was bored on Sunday. Now I've got the wild hair (hare?) but
no time to really work on it :-)

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2002\01\29@220458 by Barry Michels

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When you're in auto mode and you click on a '+', why does it turn into a ÿ?
I haven't been able to repeat it, so maybe it was a 1 time fluke...

Barry

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2002\01\29@222759 by Al Williams

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No, I know what that is... Oops... You right-clicked. I'll fix that next
time I make changes.

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2002\01\29@223728 by Gaston Gagnon

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Is it possible to insert text like C and .1uF ?
Regards,
Gaston

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2002\01\29@224844 by Al Williams

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It isn't as handy as it could be, but yes, just set the tool to the
letter you want it to place and just left click.


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2002\01\29@230614 by Gaston Gagnon

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Al Williams a icrit :
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> It isn't as handy as it could be, but yes, just set the tool to the
> letter you want it to place and just left click.
>
Thanks, I should have figure that one out.
An other one. As it is very easy overwrite something by mistake, do you plan to make undo (Ctrl-z) operational or is it already?
Gaston

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2002\01\29@231238 by Al Williams

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Version 1.5 is up. Adds resizing of the workspace (use File | New) and
Fixes some bugs.

http://wd5gnr.virtualave.net/wiki - user GuestUser password guest

Click on ASCIICAD

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2002\01\29@232821 by Al Williams

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I have underpinnings for undo in place but it does not work yet.

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2002\01\29@235947 by Gaston Gagnon

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Thank you.
Printing a 80x40 schematic occupies a tiny square inch on the top left part of the page :-o
Time to go to bed now.
Gaston

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2002\01\30@044133 by Roman Black

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Gaston Gagnon wrote:
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> Al Williams a icrit :
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> > It isn't as handy as it could be, but yes, just set the tool to the
> > letter you want it to place and just left click.
> >
> Thanks, I should have figure that one out.
> An other one. As it is very easy overwrite something by mistake, do you plan to make undo (Ctrl-z) operational or is it already?
> Gaston

So nobody is interestd in my EE-Draw program now?
It was designed to be smaller and faster than any
windows app, suitable for emailing both file and
the program itself. I was happy to add whatever
features people wanted to make the perfect circuit
sketch pad but everyone prefers Al's 2-hour drag and
drop windows app over a small maximum performance
custom written application? I expected more from
piclisters.
-Roman

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2002\01\30@055646 by o-8859-1?Q?K=FCbek_Tony?=

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Hi,
Roman Black wrote:
>So nobody is interestd in my EE-Draw program now?

Incorrect, atleast I am :)
Not taking anything away from anyone, this is just my
personal preference.

>It was designed to be smaller and faster than any
>windows app, suitable for emailing both file and
>the program itself. I was happy to add whatever

This is something most people seem to forget nowdays,
I have frequent discussion with both customers and
within the company anout this issue.
Standalone, small, fast mmmm I guess Microsoft has taken the
better part of them and got them used to 100Mb+ installs,
100's of dll's and hourglass googling :)

>features people wanted to make the perfect circuit
>sketch pad but everyone prefers Al's 2-hour drag and
>drop windows app over a small maximum performance
>custom written application? I expected more from
>piclisters.

Did you ? :) I'm an windows user I still would vote for an
small fast one file solution anyday of the week.
Did you say libraries ?

>-Roman

BTW Roman, I see little use for full chips in the library,
normally when making an ascii schematics it should be small
and cover the essentials. An ascii drawing with oscillator,
vdd, vss etc would just tend to be 'clogged' ( unless ofcource
it's an pic-controlling-power circuit ). Perhaps a stripped down
small number of pins, versitile chip is better ( i.e. you only
show the pins crucial for the circuit ), just a thought.

Anyway, great stuff from all,

/Tony

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2002\01\30@065101 by Russell McMahon

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> > > It isn't as handy as it could be, but yes, just set the tool to the
> > > letter you want it to place and just left click.
> > >
> > Thanks, I should have figure that one out.
> > An other one. As it is very easy overwrite something by mistake, do you
plan to make undo (Ctrl-z) operational or is it already?
> > Gaston
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> So nobody is interestd in my EE-Draw program now?

I think Roman is being a wee bit too sensitive over his treatment at the
hands of wee fickle Piclisters.
As one sig line says (amended) - your competition are not your enemy -
certainly not here in hippie-ware world.

I downloaded one of the middie versions of Roman's program and it was
certainly going in the right direction. I look forward to its completion. I
have bookmarked Al's one for when it also reaches maturity. There should be
a place for both if they don't both produce identical outputs.

My greatest need is for something suitable for putting good ASCII diagrams
in email. I can, albeit a little laboriously, produce GIFs from my old steam
driven PROTEL so if things get too complex that is often a viable solution.
For PICLIST level ccts with a few transistors, inductors, resistors etc and
maybe an IC or 2 then a straight ASCII solution is brilliant. Being able to
mail the standalone program is useful but not as much as having good ASCII
output. A program of any REASONABLE size can always be pointed to on a web
site and in many cases the main need is to send the diagram - enabling the
recipient to modify and respond is another (also very useful) matter.

I'll be very happy to see Roman's program become as useful as Protel DOS
Schematic! - keep up the good work Roman.
User warning: Use non-proportional font to view this artistic creation -

                          ,*,        ,*,
                          *|*        *|*
                          '*'        '*'


                               ,**,
                        |      '**'      |
                        '--             ,'
                           -------------'

By EE-Draw. 437 text bytes.



regards



               Russell McMahon











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2002\01\30@071150 by Alvaro Deibe Diaz

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I add myself to Küber conclussions.

I use this kind of little_but_powerful_programs (we call them "PPPP",
from "Programas Pequeños Pero Potentes"). I have thousands of
them (well, OK, I've not counted exactly) in my windows environment.

By the way, don't know what kind of routines are you using, and how
do you "talk" to the VGA, but I can only execute eedraw in full screen
mode in windows. Perhaps it would be useful to use it in a window,
and see the rest of the system at once (OrCAD sch and Eudora mail,
for example).

How about a kind of zoom? (perhaps it is easy for you to simply
change the font resolution of the VGA...)

Best regards,

Alvaro.

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2002\01\30@074726 by Vasile Surducan

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On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Roman Black wrote:

> So nobody is interestd in my EE-Draw program now?
> It was designed to be smaller and faster than any
> windows app, suitable for emailing both file and
> the program itself. I was happy to add whatever
> features people wanted to make the perfect circuit
> sketch pad but everyone prefers Al's 2-hour drag and
> drop windows app over a small maximum performance
> custom written application? I expected more from
> piclisters.


 Don't be sad, we still love you...[ smail]

regards, Vasile

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2002\01\30@075548 by Kathy Quinlan

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On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Roman Black wrote:

> So nobody is interestd in my EE-Draw program now?
> It was designed to be smaller and faster than any
> windows app, suitable for emailing both file and
> the program itself. I was happy to add whatever
> features people wanted to make the perfect circuit
> sketch pad but everyone prefers Al's 2-hour drag and
> drop windows app over a small maximum performance
> custom written application? I expected more from
> piclisters.

I am interested, but as it still crashes win2k I am not able to use it :o(

Maybe the Geforce II MX400 cards are not VESA compatible ;o)

Regards,

Kat.


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2002\01\30@081628 by Kevin Olalde

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Huh?  I'm sure if you write they will come, sounds like many already have
(though I'm not sure if any of those 10 spots have found there way to you yet).

I tried it (on Win2K) had to power off the machine to get the display back.....

Kevin

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2002\01\30@084234 by M. Adam Davis

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FWIW, it works fine on my Geforce 2 mx400 under winXP  (though I had to
use compatability mode last time I tried it, and I haven't tried the
more recent version)

-Adam

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2002\01\30@085055 by Al Williams

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Sorry Roman,

Wasn't my intent to sap any interest from your program. I just couldn't
get your program to run on my hardware and got interested in the idea.
Now I feel bad :-(

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2002\01\30@090924 by brian

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> So nobody is interestd in my EE-Draw program now?
Well I for one am certainly still very interested.
Where can I find a copy?
Your web page seems to be down.

Brian

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2002\01\30@093222 by 859-1?Q?Alexandre_Guimar=E3es?=

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Hi,

> > So nobody is interestd in my EE-Draw program now?
> > It was designed to be smaller and faster than any
> > windows app, suitable for emailing both file and
> > the program itself. I was happy to add whatever
> > features people wanted to make the perfect circuit
> > sketch pad but everyone prefers Al's 2-hour drag and
> > drop windows app over a small maximum performance
> > custom written application? I expected more from
> > piclisters.
>
>
>   Don't be sad, we still love you...[ smail]

   I guess Roman was kiding.... But anyway... I love you too, Roman.... :-)
The effort you devote to the piclist is surely noted and enjoyed by most
members.

   I would love you even more if I was able to get your great and fantastic
and extraordinary small little and beautifull program on my XP machine ! ;-)

   We all need your program or All's to be able to show more ideas on the
piclist and other lists. I even booted win95 back from the grave to see your
program working but I am not able to run it on my XP machine :-( What do you
thing about giving up on the library you are using and using a more standard
form of drawning on the screen ???? Most of us have pretty fast machines and
the performance difference will not be an issue. Please let us, windows 2k
and XP users have the priviledge of using your program.

Best regards,
Alexandre Guimareas

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2002\01\30@093748 by Barry Michels

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I have a Geforce 2 MX400 and it works on my XP system with some tweaking...

Barry

> I am interested, but as it still crashes win2k I am not able to use it :o(
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> Maybe the Geforce II MX400 cards are not VESA compatible ;o)
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> Regards,
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> Kat.

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2002\01\30@105820 by Claudio Tagliola

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It ran fine on my WinXP and Geforce2 MX (little older). Except when
swapping out and back, that killed the display. This was with the first
version.

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I am interested, but as it still crashes win2k I am not able to use it
:o(

Maybe the Geforce II MX400 cards are not VESA compatible ;o)

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2002\01\30@110020 by Al Williams

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For the record, version 1.6 is now up.

You can easily insert text and a 16 level undo
Should be working (should be -- this is just a quicky).

EraseMEguestspamwd5gnr.virtualave.net/wiki">http://GuestUser:RemoveMEguestEraseMEspamEraseMEwd5gnr.virtualave.net/wiki

Select the AsciiCad link.

Enjoy!

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2002\01\30@110713 by Barry Michels

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It doesn't undo right-click erases...

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2002\01\30@112006 by Al Williams

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Whoops. This was a left over from when I tried making a right drag
drawing and also explains some other weird problems. I just posted V1.6a
that will fix this! Thanks!

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2002\01\30@112201 by dr. Imre Bartfai

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Hi,

I just wanted to download - too late. I'm sorry! Keep ASCIIdrawing!

Regards,
Imre


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On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Vasile Surducan wrote:

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2002\01\30@112827 by Barry Michels

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One more thing, when drawing, if you re-draw over the same line in auto
mode, it turns the whole line to '+'s reguardless if it's an intersection or
not...

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2002\01\30@114915 by Al Williams

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That behavior is by design, although I suppose you could only draw a +
when you are drawing the "opposite" character. I'll try to work that in
later if I find the time.

Al Williams
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2002\01\30@135853 by Gaston Gagnon

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Roman Black a icrit :
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On the contrary, it is very interesting and I am following the two developments closely.
Keep up the good work Roman. Hope to read you soon.

Regards,
Gaston

P.S. By the way, as some 860 messages have come through since the beginning of the "Ascii text "drawing" software" and spliced in many treads
scattered throughout, it is becoming rather difficult to follow the exchanges.

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2002\01\31@065742 by Roman Black

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Russell McMahon wrote:

> > So nobody is interestd in my EE-Draw program now?
>
> I think Roman is being a wee bit too sensitive over his treatment at the
> hands of wee fickle Piclisters.

I beg to differ. Here's the events as I see them.
Making a small powerful ascii program for piclist
guys to use was MY idea. I worked hard on a base
for a well designed system that could be tailored
for the benefit of the everyone.

My first release was met with considerable enthusiasm,
and even though I doubted any real income from the
EE-Draw project it became a "joy job" as people really
seemed to appreciate what i had created and shared
the desire that I had as a fellow EE for a really nice
little EE sketch pad. It was a great idea.

Then I specifically asked everyone if they wanted me to
just chuck some simple library and block functions in
it, but no, everyone wanted sophisticated library
editing and bom functions. I went away for a couple of
days designing a good system that would pass the
test of time, be idiot proof for library editing and
compile to very small size within the .exe itself.

Then I get back and post a sample library file and
got NO response. While I was off working on features
largely inspired by piclisters, someone COPIED MY IDEA
and did exactly what every requested me not to do and
just threw something quickly together.

Much of the work I put into EE-Draw was on careful
design of the underlying systems with thought to future
growth and performance. I could have spent that work
on whacking in visible "features" that made the program
more finished and more usable right away.

I didn't start this project so I could compete with
someone. What happens now? If I invent something REALLY
brilliant to add to it, (and brilliant quirky ideas are
my forte) and discuss the new brilliant idea on the
list, does the "other guy" steal that idea and add it
to his competing program too??

I started this a joy project where others could
appreciate my work and (possible!) brilliance. I'm an
expert in building really small and powerful graphic
and file editing utilities, although that seems not
to be worth much in these "XP" days.

There's no joy left in this project for me. I am NOT
going to continue in parallel development constantly
playing "catch up" and "ha ha I can do that too".

> As one sig line says (amended) - your competition are not your enemy -
> certainly not here in hippie-ware world.

Amusing sig line. Someone who has not been a small
business owner and seen their competition destroy
everything they worked for, their family eating "cheap"
food and having to lay off valued staff. People who've
had a lifetime of good luck are maybe less wise than
others? ;o)

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Ha ha! Thanks! :o)
-Roman

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2002\01\31@071246 by Roman Black

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I appreciate the apology Al, thank you. :o)
-Roman


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2002\01\31@083738 by Al Williams

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Again, I feel really bad. My intent was not to steal anything from Roman
and I credit his idea on the Web page. I just wanted something similar
that would run on my hardware -- it seems like quite a few people can't
get the other program to run (including me). I even did a Web search for
something similar before writing my own (and yes, there is a Java applet
and several other programs on the Web that does the same thing, but
didn't have a lot of the features I wanted; one of them is $6
shareware).

http://www.jave.de/ - Free, big, and does most everything. Really more
than Roman or I have even thought about attempting.

http://www.sigsoftware.com/emaileffects/index.html

http://www.goldbay.com/joeh/AsciiDraw.html - I thought about starting
with this guy's source code, but I wanted a break from Java.

download.cnet.com/downloads/0-4003619-100-874098.html?tag=st.dl.1
0001-103-1.lst-7-2.874098



I'm not selling ASCIICad so I'm not profiting off Roman's idea, which he
was (mostly) giving away anyway.

His library ideas are far in advance of anything I will do with
ASCIICAD, and I hope he will continue to develop his program. Roman's
right that my program does not capture what a lot of people on the list
asked for. I wrote it for myself and so it fits my needs and runs on my
hardware. Since Roman was good enough to share his creation freely, I
thought it would be good to do the same. In retrospect, I'd probably
just keep it to myself :-)

Again Roman, my apologies and I regret you feel like something has been
taken from you or that my attitude was (quoting from your message): "ha
ha I can do that too" -- nothing could be further from the truth.

I have certainly had similar experiences. Those of you who are hams
might remember my PSKGNR software (also free). It work with G3PLX's PSK
software and at one time I estimate that 70-80% of the hams using PSK31
used my software. Now there is other software that works by itself and
only a small group of people still use PSKGNR. If I had not been giving
it away, I might have found time to develop an "all in one" version of
PSKGNR. But I was giving it away, so I was glad to see even more free
software that my program had influenced. I even gave some of the other
authors advice.

So again, accept my apologies Roman. If you like, I won't announce any
new changes I make on the list.

Al Williams
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> I beg to differ. Here's the events as I see them.
> Making a small powerful ascii program for piclist

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'[EE]: Ascii text "drawing" software -- ASCIICAD'
2002\02\01@095340 by Roman Black
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Al Williams wrote:
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> Again, I feel really bad. My intent was not to steal anything from Roman
> and I credit his idea on the Web page. I just wanted something similar
> that would run on my hardware -- it seems like quite a few people can't
> get the other program to run (including me). I even did a Web search for
> something similar before writing my own (and yes, there is a Java applet
> and several other programs on the Web that does the same thing, but
> didn't have a lot of the features I wanted; one of them is $6
> shareware).

Please don't feel bad. :o) I apologise if my post
sounded like I had animosity toward you, that really
isn't true. :o)

My decision to stop developing EE-Draw may have sounded
bitchy or childish, and although I was more emotional
than normal <smile> there were many underlying reasons.
I saw that at the end of the day, Al and myself would
BOTH have done ALL the work, and probably never get more
than half the credit.

We would both have been forced to copy the other's ideas
in order to satisfy user requirements, something i'm not
totally happy with. It is also possible that we would
indeed end up doing more total work than if one person
did the whole thing efficiently. Likewise for "working
together" on a project.

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Thanks! Will check out.

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Ha ha, it was bad enough with ONE of us being a
cry-baby! ;o)
Seriously, please don't feel that you have done
anything wrong, I sensed in your posts the same
joy I was experiencing working on a "cool" project.
I never felt that you committed an evil act, just
that much of the payoff for me dissipated when
my work became "one more in the crowd" rather than
"the ultimate little doo-dad". It's a personality
issue, I come here for enjoyment, not business,
and the fun of making something high-perf and
unique is what drives me through those long nights
in front of the keyboard. :o)

> Again Roman, my apologies and I regret you feel like something has been
> taken from you or that my attitude was (quoting from your message): "ha
> ha I can do that too" -- nothing could be further from the truth.

Whoops! Actually my meaning was more: "we WILL
be forced to play 'ha ha I can do that too'".
That was the future I saw that didn't impress me
much. :o)

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NO! Please don't change anything on my behalf,
especially a change that would result in no
program being developed at all. Please use any of
my library ideas etc that I have mentioned here,
and enjoy. I'll offer suggestions etc if you like.
That way only one of us has to do the work and
everybody gets back to being friends.
:o)
-Roman

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2002\02\01@102736 by Al Williams

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Thanks for your nice reply Roman. I'm glad you are not unhappy with me.

I doubt I will ever add libraries to the extent you were proposing. In
fact, I'm pretty happy with it the way it is and other than bug fixes
and the like I don't really have much in the way of plans. Once it is
pretty stable I may post the source so if anyone else wants to do
something they can. Of course, my wiki site has been misbehaving so
maybe the traffic is too much already :-)

Al Williams
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