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'[EE]: AT Keyboards --- Not all equal![ADMIN]'
2000\05\31@184425 by jamesnewton

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Ok Mark, I turned it off, but not until it autoreplied to your reply <EVIL
GRIN>

Lets work up a serious version of a shorter message and try again tomorrow.

I can move most of that to a web page and just include a link.

The point, folks is that if this is going to work, you want to A) put one of
the following at the start of all posts to the list

[PIC]:
[EE]:
[OT]:
[AD]:

and B) turn off your subscription to the other channel that this
autoresponder will clutter up by sending SET PICLIST TOPICS: -Other to
spam_OUTLISTSERVTakeThisOuTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU or, in most email clients, click here:
.....LISTSERVKILLspamspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU?body=SET%20PICLIST%20TOPICS:%20-Other

---
James Newton (PICList Admin #3)
jamesnewtonspamKILLspampiclist.com 1-619-652-0593
PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com or .org

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2000\05\31@221627 by piclist.com

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You are missing that the list server will happily filter out ALL the noise
of miss tagged posts, and the autoresponder and all that and you will get
ONLY the properly tagged message about [PIC]: or [EE]: or what ever you
want.

All you have to do is send SET PICLIST TOPICS: -Other to
.....LISTSERVKILLspamspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU or, in most email clients, click here:
EraseMELISTSERVspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU?body=SET%20PICLIST%20TOPICS:%20-Other> Then the autoresponder and the "Duh.. how do I unsubscribble?" posts all GO
AWAY.

As the autoreply message says. Please help me phrase it more clearly so that
everyone will understand. After you read it. <SAD GRIN>

Or lead a revolt and I will back off and go back to the way it was...
... I'm really not all that interested in continuing this.

James Newton, PICList Admin #3
jamesnewtonspamspam_OUTpiclist.com
1-619-652-0593 phone
http://www.piclist.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Merrill <@spam@jerrymKILLspamspamtech-tools.com>
To: <KILLspamjamesnewtonKILLspamspampiclist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 16:09
Subject: Re: [EE]: AT Keyboards --- Not all equal![ADMIN]


>
> Why should the autoreply go to the list at ALL?  Why should I receive a
> reminder for EVERY message that violates the rules?  Seems to me the
> autoreply will double the noise level (for those of us accepting all
messages).
>
> Am I missing something here?
>
>
> At 05:40 PM 5/31/00, you wrote:
> >Ok Mark, I turned it off, but not until it autoreplied to your reply
<EVIL
> >GRIN>
> >
> >Lets work up a serious version of a shorter message and try again
tomorrow.
> >
> >I can move most of that to a web page and just include a link.
> >
> >The point, folks is that if this is going to work, you want to A) put one
of
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> >{Original Message removed}

2000\05\31@225025 by Mark Willis

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IMO the way this would work best is that:

1)  The poster sends their message to the list server.
2)  The autoresponder and those subscribed with "All Topics enabled" or
in index or digest mode, would then get that post.
3)  The autoresponder would notice that the post didn't adhere to the
rules.
4)  The autoresponder would then post to the *sender*.
5)  The sender would then realize their error, fix the message's Subject
line, and re-send with a proper Subject line syntax.

I'm guessing Digest mode is going to get less popular for a week or two,
as we train everyone, BUT once we're all re-trained this should only
happen for new posters to the list, so things will self-repair <G>
Think of it same as changing from Parallax to Microchip assembler - it's
different, you get some assembler errors for a while, then things get
better.

(James, is planned to have autoresponder post to whole list or just the
"one who's flirting with 'the Other side'"?

 Mark

piclist.com wrote:
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2000\05\31@233413 by piclist.com

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Mark, I don't know if you remember, but due to the way Outhouse does email
(remember I'm a Win guy not Linux) I can't make the responder reply to the
person that actually posted the message, only to the list or to the reply to
address set by the poster IF they set one.

So... I just setup a subscription with ONLY the Other topic selected and
told it to respond to all message with that post and the same subject line.

Please keep in mind that the ENTIRE point of this thing is that EVERYBODY
else turns OFF "Other:" once they get used to putting the tags on. No one
but new subscribers has Other on. So when the newbie subscribes, ignores the
welcome message and posts "Hi, How do I unsubscribble" or "please measure
10k degrees heat in combustion chamber" YOU DON'T SEE IT. He gets an instant
response that tells him, again, how to tag posts and how to get off the
list.

I'm totally amazed that I can't get that across.

Again. Once you get the idea of tagging the topics, you turn Other off by
sending
SET PICLIST TOPICS: -Other to LISTSERVSTOPspamspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU or, in most email
clients, click here:
spamBeGoneLISTSERVSTOPspamspamEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU?body=SET%20PICLIST%20TOPICS:%20-Other> Then the autoresponder and the "Duh.. how do I unsubscribble?" posts all GO
AWAY. Only people with Other on see them.

Can someone who is getting this please help explain it to everyone else?
Preferably one of the several hundred who posted a "TOPICS_YES" post to me
when I originally presented the idea and asked if we should try it.

Or if you have a Linux server that can autorespond to untagged posts, using
the buried "on behalf of" email address of the original poster....

Or just put me out of my misery and let me go back to doing it to old way...

James Newton, PICList Admin #?
KILLspamjamesnewtonspamBeGonespampiclist.com
1-619-652-0593 phone
http://www.piclist.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Willis <EraseMEmwillisspamEraseMEFOXINTERNET.NET>
To: <@spam@PICLIST@spam@spamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 19:48
Subject: Re: [EE]: AT Keyboards --- Not all equal![ADMIN]


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noise
> > of miss tagged posts, and the autoresponder and all that and you will
get
> > ONLY the properly tagged message about [PIC]: or [EE]: or what ever you
> > want.
> >
> > All you have to do is send SET PICLIST TOPICS: -Other to
> > spamBeGoneLISTSERVspamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU or, in most email clients, click here:
> > .....LISTSERVspam_OUTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU?body=SET%20PICLIST%20TOPICS:%20-Other> > > Then the autoresponder and the "Duh.. how do I unsubscribble?" posts all
GO
> > AWAY.
> >
> > As the autoreply message says. Please help me phrase it more clearly so
that
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one
> > of
> > > >the following at the start of all posts to the list
> > > >
> > > >[PIC]:
> > > >[EE]:
> > > >[OT]:
> > > >[AD]:
> > > >
> > > >and B) turn off your subscription to the other channel that this
> > > >autoresponder will clutter up by sending SET PICLIST TOPICS: -Other
to
> > > >RemoveMELISTSERVspamspamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU or, in most email clients, click here:
> > > >spamBeGoneLISTSERV@spam@spamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU?body=SET%20PICLIST%20TOPICS:%20-Other> > > > >
> > > >---
> > > >James Newton (PICList Admin #3)
> > > >
TakeThisOuTjamesnewtonspamspampiclist.com 1-619-652-0593
> > > >PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com or .org
> > > >
> > > >{Original Message removed}


'[EE]: AT Keyboards --- Not all equal![ADMIN]'
2000\06\01@024842 by Mark Willis
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I'm not a Linux guy yet - I do Dos though <G>  It's all LookOut
Express's fault, OK.  I can grok that!  <G>

The problem still exists though.  Obvious from the "Software test end"
over here, unfortunately.

An existing user starts a new thread.  He/She has the '[Other]' topic
turned off, having been on the list for months;  They're having a day
like my yesterday was.  It's NOT pretty.  They forget to put a valid
topic into the Subject line.

All newbies, all admins, all people on Digest mode and Index mode, get
to see the autoresponder's post that complains.  The "offender" doesn't
see anything, though.  An admin has to manually check each posters'
options with "Query Piclist for offenderEraseMEspamisp.com" and see if they have
the Other option turned on?  Ack!  Well, we can do that if we have to,
it'd suck though.  Badly.

There has to be a better way.  I can make a Dos app that does this, run
it off a FreeWWWebs.Com account on an old spare 286.  Net-Tamer or
Arachne maybe.  Won't be instant to do that, though.  Does anyone on the
list have a better idea on this one?

James - Guess the one thing to do for now is get that 7k message stuffed
onto piclist.com and pass me a URL and I'll think on this.  I hadn't
considered the evil LookOut Expunger as I don't use that.

Mike, any ideas?

 Mark

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