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'[EE]: Need PCB manufacturer in US or Canada'
2000\06\12@091524 by Barry King

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Bruno,

Wow, that is a very dense and complex PCB.  It is going to be
expensive.  I would check on the capabilities of:
1) OverNite Protos,
2) PCB Services, 888-228-9440, http://www.quotepcbboards.com
3) imagineering, 847-806-0003, http://www.pcbnet.com

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NRG Systems "Measuring the Wind's Energy"
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2000\06\12@125329 by adastra

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Dan:  The way they do this is: You fill out an on-screen form about the
parameters of your board (for standard boards, ie, rectangular, no gold
fingers, etc.) it's just a matter of the size, number of sides, minimum hole
size, and quantity.  Then they instantly give you a pricing "grid", ie, the
price as a function of quantity and delivery.  There are two "modes", proto
and production.  You can get proto boards the same day (very expensive!).
Common proto delivery is 3 to 5 days.  Also very quantity sensitive.  Best
prices are "production" quantities, 4 week delivery.

This is a long-winded way of saying that I can't answer your question
directly.  However, I am registered with them, and if you email me your
parameters of your board (or post, if you think this is of general interest)
I will submit it for a quote and send you the resulting pricing "grid".

Foster


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2000\06\12@133113 by Dan Michaels

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Foster wrote:
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>This is a long-winded way of saying that I can't answer your question
>directly.  However, I am registered with them, and if you email me your
>parameters of your board (or post, if you think this is of general interest)
>I will submit it for a quote and send you the resulting pricing "grid".
>

Yes, I think this might be of interest to piclist. A lot of pcb'ers
here. Always good to find a new cheap pcb source.

If you could get a quote on the following example case:

- 10ea, 2-sided, 3"x4", FR4, plated thru, proto service [no masks].
- "extra" hole drilling: 5 std drills, total = 440 holes

I've added extra holes here, since many pcb manufacturers charge
a **very stiff** premium for hole density beyond 24/sqin. 440 holes
is about 36/sqin - about normal for my pcbs.

Info in mask costs would also be useful - with most manuf, this
step is quite expensive.
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For reference, the approx cost of 10bds from apcircuits.com would
be about:

10 * [(3*4*0.68)+(1.50/extra holes)] + (48/setup) = $145US --> $14.50/bd.

Thanks greatly,
- Dan Michaels
Oricom Technologies
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2000\06\12@151312 by adastra

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Dan:
They don't seem to care about number of hole sizes, number of holes, or hole
density.  The only reference to holes on their quote sheet is that the
standard minimum size is 0.020".

The grid they give is wider than this, but I've selected some combinations
to give you the idea.  The "3 day" column is in their "proto" mode, which
for some reason, seems generally cheaper than the production.  (They
specialize in quick-turn, so that may be why.) Prices are per board.


Per your specs:
.................................... 3 day     2 wk      4 wk

10 pcs, no mask or silkscreen        20.90     20.41     13.20
25 pcs  ditto                        12.36     13.20      4.74

10 pcs, mask both sides, ss on top   33.70     21.81     17.04
25 pcs, ditto                        17.48     10.29      8.04

As you can see, the prices are quite dependent upon quantity and delivery
time.

The cool thing about their site is that you can "what-if" any of the
variables and find out immediately how they affect the price. Let me know if
you need more information.

Foster

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2000\06\12@155106 by Dan Michaels

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Foster wrote:
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>The grid they give is wider than this, but I've selected some combinations
>to give you the idea.  The "3 day" column is in their "proto" mode, which
>for some reason, seems generally cheaper than the production.  (They
>specialize in quick-turn, so that may be why.) Prices are per board.
>

Foster, thanks for the great info. "Production" mode, IME, generally
entails a large setup cost, ~$300, so this route is not cost effective
for small qty like this. They also take shortcuts in "proto" mode, like
providing only rectangular bds, cut by shearing, vs machining for
"production".
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These are very good prices, compared to what I have found with
virtual everybody other than apcircuits.com. Some vendors wanted to charge
$100 for the "extra" holes. And mask prices here are very reasonable.

For reference, 25 bds from apcircuits would be:

25 * [(3*4*0.68)+(1.50/extra holes)] + (48/setup) = $289US --> $11.60/bd.

so Advanced Circuits  http://www.4pcb.com  is really quite comparable.

Thanks greatly,
- Dan Michaels
Oricom Technologies
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'[EE]: need PCB manufacturer in US or Canada'
2000\07\13@171114 by Craig Lee
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Check out http://www.essworld.com.

3 - 5x8 2 sided panels with silk screen and solder mask for $650 CAN.
After that 3 more panels of the same board are $400 CAN.

Typically 1 wk turn around.

Prices/value better than APC if you can fill the panels.

Tell em' Craig Lee sent ya!

Craig

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