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2002\08\30@145228 by Pic Dude

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Hey Mark,

After much investigation, and being able to locate this board for
US$110, I'm really excited about it, with one exception...  The
speed comparisons for the C3 800MHz processor put it at roughly
1/3 the performance of a Celeron 900Mhz.  Ouch!

But that might be enough for me.  If it is, everything else is
awesome, especially the size of the board, and that it includes
on-board video, audio, etc in that space.

However, if it is not, I may be in for trouble.  I've not found
this info anywhere, but hoping you can tell me since you have
one... is the processor switchable to a regular Celeron or similar?
If so, I could then bail myself out with a few more $$$.

Thanks,
-Neil.



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2002\08\30@151006 by Nick Veys

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Negative!  The Eden series boards are integrated.  That processor is
part of the board.  Thats one of the down sides, but I've heard from
several sources that the 800MHz C3 can handle DVD and most DiVX if those
are your concerns, I know of no other reasons for that kinda of proessor
power for a CarPC :).

The C3's IIRC are the remnants of Via's purchase of Cyrix technology,
ill-fated as it was, it seems to have popped up with quite a kick ass
product.

Via Arena (http://www.viaarena.com) is the place to go for information on these
boards, it's a community site ran by Via themselves.  Many, many
reviews.

http://www.thehardwire.com/reviews/?id=13&part=1

There's one detailing DVD/DiVX playing and an overview of the board,
it's a bit non-technical and a more savvy user could of course pull some
more power out of the machine but he did a decent job.

But, if the speed scares you a but, I remember hearing of a 1GHz+
version in the works, quite awesome.

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2002\08\30@151844 by =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E1bio_Pereira?=

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Hi

I have build some computers around one VIA C3 mobo ... That one (a PCCHIPS
model) have a soldered CPU (a BGA package), so it can't be replaced   :-(

But if your mobo uses a socketed one, than I think it is replaceable by
another S370 processor (like the celeron or P3).

Hope it helps.

Regards,

Fabio
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2002\08\30@153313 by Pic Dude

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Okay, I think I'll still bite, cause it's soooooo space-friendly.
Also, soldered CPU's are so much friendlier in cars.  (You can
tell I'm really trying to justify this to myself).  MP3's are
part of the plan, as well as GPS, but EFI control is primary,
and will not require that much processing power.

Cheers,
-Neil.



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2002\08\30@154811 by Mike Mansheim

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> ...but EFI control is primary...

well, this piques my curiosity!
Are you planning to modify existing signals, or completely taking over
for the existing computer?  Starting from scratch?
Are you an engine management expert?  Or is there a DIY setup that you
can interface with? Or...?

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2002\08\30@165438 by Peter L. Peres

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On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Pic Dude wrote:

>Okay, I think I'll still bite, cause it's soooooo space-friendly.
>Also, soldered CPU's are so much friendlier in cars.  (You can
>tell I'm really trying to justify this to myself).  MP3's are
>part of the plan, as well as GPS, but EFI control is primary,
>and will not require that much processing power.

EFI using a sloppy non-real-time hardware type ? I hope that you
intend to control a slave CPU or something like that. Good luck.

Peter

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2002\08\30@190305 by Pic Dude

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> > ...but EFI control is primary...
>
> well, this piques my curiosity!
> Are you planning to modify existing signals, or completely taking over
> for the existing computer?  Starting from scratch?
> Are you an engine management expert?  Or is there a DIY setup that you
> can interface with? Or...?

I know enough to be dangerous. :-)  I'm planning on picking up
one of the commercial devices to re-program the Ford A9L computer
that I'm using in my kitcar, and need a laptop for this.  Also
thought it would be nice to have MP3 instead of cassette and CD
changer.  So the thought of building a small permanently-mounted
PC came about.

Cheers,
-Neil.

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2002\08\30@190715 by Pic Dude

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Ack! Absolutely -- the computer will be used to re-program
the Ford A9L computer, and datalog, and the car will be able
to run with the PC disconnected.

If I were that dumb, I'd also choose Win 98 first edition,
NT or something else as unstable.  :-)  :-)  :-)

Cheers,
-Neil.



> EFI using a sloppy non-real-time hardware type ? I hope that you
> intend to control a slave CPU or something like that. Good luck.
>
> Peter

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