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'[EE]:: Vista madness -Linux?'
2008\01\31@091254 by Carl Denk

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I have been trying to get Kubuntu Linux up and running as dual boot with
XP home and PRO for the last month or so. It's been one problem after
another, first it wouldn't accept any password, then couldn't change the
video refresh and resolution, and goes on and on. Stuck at the moment to
getting the network to share with the XP PRO. I keep hearing it's more
stable, If I could get to the point of using it, maybe I could express
an opinion.

There are no good manuals, or how to do it out there. Good example is
the network problem, search the forums, ask question on the forums,
google to wherever. Lots of well meaning people out there, but their
configuration is a little different with files in a different path, etc,
try to mesh the nomenclature together, and you hit a dead end, go try
someone elses ideas, still doesn't work. One would think as popular as
Linux dual boot with XP seems to be, there would be a utility that does
the grunt work, instead of laboring with command line for hours. The
Windows seems more friendly with less command line, but I have spent
lots of time with command prompt and regedit.

Brian Kraut wrote:
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2008\01\31@113822 by Bob Blick

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--- Carl Denk <spam_OUTcdenkTakeThisOuTspamalltel.net> wrote:

>  One would
> think as popular as
> Linux dual boot with XP seems to be, there would be
> a utility that does
> the grunt work, instead of laboring with command
> line for hours.

Hi Carl,

Usually it just installs and dual boots and works
properly with virtually no grunt work. But a few
percent of the computers out there don't work that
way.

But one thing you might try before giving up is a
different release of Kubuntu. If you are using 7.10,
try 7.04 or vice versa. They have significant
differences.

Also, when changing your video resolution, use the
system-settings monitor and display applet, and click
"administrator mode". Otherwise your settings will
only be temporary. And don't install third-party video
drivers until you've gotten good at undoing changes :)

Cheerful regards,

Bob

P.S. If your computer is screaming fast and you have
tons of ram, you might try installing VMWare server or
player and try Linux virtually for a while.

2008\01\31@114925 by David VanHorn

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> P.S. If your computer is screaming fast and you have
> tons of ram, you might try installing VMWare server or
> player and try Linux virtually for a while.

Ubuntu disks will allow you to use linux without actually installing it.
It's not as fast as the installed version, but it's very good.
You can even use ubuntu while ubuntu is installing itself!

2008\01\31@115540 by Dr Skip

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I too have tried Ubuntu several times with limited success. I've moved on to
PClos - PC Linux OS. I especially like the Gnome version, and it's extremely
speedy and in VM form (the current popular appliance) it's the only Linux that
is as fast as the native Vista it's running under.

http://www.pclinuxos.com/

Carl Denk wrote:
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2008\01\31@120103 by M. Adam Davis

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And if that doesn't work, use Virtual PC (free from MS) and run Linux
in a virtual machine on your computer.  It's slower (unless you have a
relatively recent processor with virtualization or dual cores) but an
excellent way to get into it.

-Adam

On 1/31/08, David VanHorn <.....microbrixKILLspamspam@spam@gmail.com> wrote:
> > P.S. If your computer is screaming fast and you have
> > tons of ram, you might try installing VMWare server or
> > player and try Linux virtually for a while.
>
> Ubuntu disks will allow you to use linux without actually installing it.
> It's not as fast as the installed version, but it's very good.
> You can even use ubuntu while ubuntu is installing itself!
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2008\01\31@120407 by Carl Denk

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Bob Blick wrote:
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Have tried Ubuntu 6.06, 7.1 and 7.2, always some issues. They don't
install and configure Samba automatically, or even automate it, at least
haven't been able to find that as another app, and have tried to install
anything that looks like it might help. And really not going to clog
this group's bandwidth trying to get it running.

The XP-PRO runs on a straight forward Intel P4 motherboard, first
working on networking with a Compaq 5310US with Kubuntu, it is a little
quirky with Windows and non-compaq hardware at times, maybe that's the
problem, but at the moment it's as close to Compaq as could be, and
that' a popular Compaq model.
>
> Also, when changing your video resolution, use the
> system-settings monitor and display applet, and click
> "administrator mode". Otherwise your settings will
> only be temporary. And don't install third-party video
> drivers until you've gotten good at undoing changes :)

Yes, I'm well aware of "administrator mode" and "SUDO" (super user do),
the video is fine at the moment, but might get interesting when I put in
the new motherboard and ATI graphics in a day or 2. Yea, learning about
undoing, Thanks for the thought. :)
>
> Cheerful regards,
>
> Bob
>
> P.S. If your computer is screaming fast and you have
> tons of ram, you might try installing VMWare server or
> player and try Linux virtually for a while.


The object of getting Linux up and running is to actually run it without
a Windows package, and then migrate away from Bill Gates, say within a
year or so. The little I have explored WINE, seems like that's going to
work for most APS. The actual GUI is close enough to Windows, that,
that's not the problem. Was hoping it would come up with little tweaking
that daughters and some friends could migrate also, but the install and
likely maintenance is beyond the capabilities to recommend at this time.

2008\01\31@120425 by David VanHorn

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On Jan 31, 2008 11:55 AM, Dr Skip <.....drskipKILLspamspam.....gmail.com> wrote:
> I too have tried Ubuntu several times with limited success. I've moved on to
> PClos - PC Linux OS. I especially like the Gnome version, and it's extremely
> speedy and in VM form (the current popular appliance) it's the only Linux that
> is as fast as the native Vista it's running under.
>
> http://www.pclinuxos.com/

Might be interesting to try, I dumped vista when it took more than
seven hours to move 4G of data between two SATA drives.  The same
machine under XP did that in minutes. Ubuntu isn't having any speed
issues either.

2008\01\31@122137 by Mark Rages

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On Jan 31, 2008 10:55 AM, Dr Skip <EraseMEdrskipspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTgmail.com> wrote:
> I too have tried Ubuntu several times with limited success. I've moved on to
> PClos - PC Linux OS. I especially like the Gnome version, and it's extremely
> speedy and in VM form (the current popular appliance) it's the only Linux that
> is as fast as the native Vista it's running under.
>

I have found that the Ubuntu "alternate installation" CD image works
better on my hardware.  It's the old-fashioned text-mode installation
interface.  Not as slick, but it gets the job done.   Anyway, if you
have to install Linux more than once on a computer, you're doing
something wrong.

Regards,
Mark
markrages@gmail
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Mark Rages, Engineer
Midwest Telecine LLC
markragesspamspam_OUTmidwesttelecine.com

2008\01\31@123059 by sergio masci

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On Thu, 31 Jan 2008, Carl Denk wrote:

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Have you tried OpenSuSE 10.2 ?

Having used slackware, debian, redhat, mandrake and suse over many years,
I am now a fan of suse.

I have a duel boot machine which uses grub to boot between linux and xp.
The only real problem I had was that I installed linux before xp, but I
wanted to do it this way around so that I could re-install xp whenever I
wanted. The docs on how to do this were non-existant at the time so I
tinkered with it myself until I got it working. Things maybe different now
and you may find a good doc if you look for duel booting with grub. Anyway
basically what I did was:

partition your HD

install linux

make copy of boot sector into /boot/linux.xyz

install xp

boot into linux using install CD (boot into rescue mode)

make copy of boot sector into /boot/xp.xyz

copy /boot/linux.xyz back to boot sector

edit grub script to see /boot/xp.xyz

reboot machine and grub will give you choice of linux or xp

If you need more details let me know

Regards
Sergio Masci

2008\01\31@123631 by Carl Denk

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Interesting distro. I surfed their forum, it looks like they are more
down to earth with basic instructions, and not so Guru-like (whatever
that means). Did find some Samba tips, will try them later, and if all
else fails, I can install this Distro. The Compaq doesn't have anything
important on it, if I trash something, no big deal. :)

Dr Skip wrote:
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2008\01\31@125238 by Carl Denk

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Thanks for the thought, booting is not an issue, I have moved XP up to
the top of the boot list, with Kubuntu right below on the 2nd line so
it's only 1 down arrow to get there. :)

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2008\01\31@125244 by David VanHorn

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DSL (damn small linux) is worth looking at.  Impressively trim

2008\01\31@125817 by David VanHorn

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www.pcworld.com/article/id,141992-c,vistalonghorn/article.html

Just saw this a few minutes ago.
New Free Utility Cuts Vista Install Down to Size

2008\01\31@131217 by Carl Denk

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Most of the tries have been the alternative, and yes, I probably  did
something wrong, but as a newbie to it, I fell into the pit, and not
knowing the nitty gritty of something new, the very least of it DIR =
ls. Have learned quite abit, but still not seeing daylight. Fortunately
I have a second computer that I thrash, and if I get hung up too long on
trying to fix it, just format the OS partition and a fresh install. :)
Once I conquer that install, then clone it to the main computer and try
the migrating.

Mark Rages wrote:
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2008\01\31@132319 by Carl Denk

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Yea, I have used the Knoppix live CD to repair, where you usually can
access the internet, but trying to access another computer running
Windows in particular required more command line work. These 2 computers
communicate fine XP to XP. Otherwise I have no complaints with the live
CD's. good learning tool, but I'm not concerned with the GUI, it's close
enough to windows to not be an issue. I need the 2 computers networked
together, so if one is busy with one thing like recording an LP record
to harddisc, I can be processing another file and burn the CD. Same
would go for recording TV, and editing before burning.

David VanHorn wrote:
>> P.S. If your computer is screaming fast and you have
>> tons of ram, you might try installing VMWare server or
>> player and try Linux virtually for a while.
>
> Ubuntu disks will allow you to use linux without actually installing it.
> It's not as fast as the installed version, but it's very good.
> You can even use ubuntu while ubuntu is installing itself!

2008\01\31@160750 by Dr Skip

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This is another one of its 'features'. Enjoy....

It's purposely throttled so that it doesn't interfere with the 'user
experience'. Same with networking. I found the following doubles my net speed
to what a 900MHz Celeron can do ... :O

http://farmanager.com/

It's a file manager in a command window that seems to bypass some of this
throttling mechanism. Let us know how that does with it.


David VanHorn wrote:
> Might be interesting to try, I dumped vista when it took more than
> seven hours to move 4G of data between two SATA drives.  The same
> machine under XP did that in minutes. Ubuntu isn't having any speed
> issues either.

2008\01\31@164211 by David VanHorn

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> It's a file manager in a command window that seems to bypass some of this
> throttling mechanism. Let us know how that does with it.

Well, like I said, I formatted the disk and put Ubuntu on that machine.
It used to be my main machine, running XP pro, I "upgraded" to Vista,
gagged on it, and scrubbed the machine.

I got Vista with my MAP subscription last year.

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