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'[EE]:: References sought for Russell McMahon :-)'
2007\10\08@034556 by Russell McMahon

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This could well go under [AD] or [OT] but on reflection I decided that
[EE] seems fair for various reasons.

I can just imagine what I am letting myself in for here :-)




I invite ***anyone who wishes to*** provide me with a "reference"
along the following lines. These are guidelines only:

***Responses may be on or off list***

With respect to engineering (ignoring climate change and Global
Warming :-) pleeeeeeease :-) )

- Technical quality of advice given

- Usefulness of ideas or solutions presented.

- Ability to identify requirements.

- Ability to identify solutions or to guide people towards appropriate
solutions.

- Ability to provide "outside the box" solutions or suggestions which
prove useful.

- General helpfulness.

- Other relevant or qualifying comment as appropriate

- Optional: Who you are / What you do. Any brief relevant background
that will set the "reference" in its proper context.

Most people reading this will not have met me and so in most cases
it's my "internet persona" that you are addressing ** - which is what
I am largely looking for. My ability to tele-advise is what is most
important here. I may use any material sent or may not. I may use
senders IDs unless asked not to - although even a reference of this
sort is of limited value if anonymous.

Offlist responses will not be copied to list except with user's ID
removed unless permission is given to publish it. That way if you say
something rude offlist and it's funny enough I may tell people but
they won't know who said it*. I'd doubt if anyone would ever contact
you about this, but they might. I'd only be giving email addresses to
people in limited cases and then only to people who I'd trust with
them. [The very security conscious may wish to ID themselves but ask
that their email addresses be omitted.]



       Russell McMahon



* Olin's offlist comments on me may be identifiable :-))(Although I
believe that, based on what we've said to each other before now,
technically we think somewhat similarly of each other)(But, I may be
wrong :-).

** If James N answers this he may have to fill in two to cover me in
remote and local forms :-).


2007\10\08@051052 by wouter van ooijen

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> I invite ***anyone who wishes to*** provide me with a "reference"
> along the following lines. These are guidelines only:

I don't get it. Are you asking us to comment on ourselves, or on the
others? or on individual message? or on the piclist as a whole?

Wouter van Ooijen

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2007\10\08@053951 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 10/8/07, Russell McMahon <spam_OUTapptechTakeThisOuTspamparadise.net.nz> wrote:
> This could well go under [AD] or [OT] but on reflection I decided that
> [EE] seems fair for various reasons.
>
> I can just imagine what I am letting myself in for here :-)
>
> I invite ***anyone who wishes to*** provide me with a "reference"
> along the following lines. These are guidelines only:
>

What is the purpose of the reference? I think you are not switching
jobs. I think you are enjoying life as a successful independent
consultant, am I right?

Xiaofan

2007\10\08@055216 by Roger, in Bangkok

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WHAT!?!?  You mean you aren't already the reference?
Oohhhhh the disillusionment of it all ...

I have no idea what sprite may have taken control of my computer and
keyboard, but this certainly would never have come from Roger, in Bangkok
...

Regards/anyway :-)

On 10/8/07, Russell McMahon <.....apptechKILLspamspam@spam@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
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> ...


I can just imagine what I am letting myself in for here :-)
>
> ... the trivial stuff snipped ... or was it sniped ... ?
>

2007\10\08@055531 by Russell McMahon

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>> I invite ***anyone who wishes to*** provide me with a "reference"
>> along the following lines. These are guidelines only:

> I don't get it. Are you asking us to comment on ourselves, or on the
> others? or on individual message? or on the piclist as a whole?

No
No
No
No
:-)

On reading that again I realise that it is potentially ambiguous, but
it was not evident when I wrote it.
As often happens.
In NZ the term "provide me with a reference" would almost always be
taken to mean that I wish people to comment ON ME.
I see that that is not a necessary meaning.
ie I'm seeking comments on how other people see me 'from a distance'.
These would be entirely apposite as, apart from making me feel good or
bad as the case may be, they will potentially provide just the sort of
indication that I need for someone who may wish to work out how well I
provide technical teleinformation. As I provide information HERE for
money but do not provide teleinformation for money (as yet) any
references that I can supply at present may be useful but not directly
pertinent to what I'm trying to convey.

So
Sorry
Sorry
Sorry
Sorry
I'll try to read what I write more carefully in future.

Chalk up a black mark for the teleinformant :-)


       Russell

2007\10\08@055807 by Russell McMahon

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> What is the purpose of the reference? I think you are not switching
> jobs. I think you are enjoying life as a successful independent
> consultant, am I right?


Always fun*.
Sometimes profitable.
:-)

Looking at a possible extension of role to include tele-consultant :-)

For good reason people's input from this list could be useful.



       Russell

2007\10\08@072532 by Russell McMahon

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How do you like it so far?
It's rubbish ...
:-)


> WHAT!?!?  You mean you aren't already the reference?
> Oohhhhh the disillusionment of it all ...
>
> I have no idea what sprite may have taken control of my computer and
> keyboard, but this certainly would never have come from Roger, in
> Bangkok

2007\10\08@141309 by Steve Baldwin

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> I invite ***anyone who wishes to*** provide me with a "reference"
> along the following lines. These are guidelines only:

ROFL.
You want references and suggest what should be in them. Then from those,
you'll select the bits that support your premise and publish them in a
summary.
How IPCC is that !!   :-)

Steve.


2007\10\08@185743 by Russell McMahon

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> ROFL.
> You want references and suggest what should be in them.

I didn't need eg "Sublime cook, dab hand with a paint brush, a flair
for photography, trout rush to his hook, literary critics applaud his
every nuance, leaps tall puddles at a single bound  ... but I have not
yet been to college" ?
I was looking for relevance to a specific area.


> Then from those,
> you'll select the bits that support your premise and publish them in
> a
> summary.
> How IPCC is that !!   :-)

The best point to be made about references is that they are only as
good as the credibility they engender with the person or organisation
they are used with. If you as a prospective employer or customer see a
totally glowing reference you will tend either to be suspicious of it
or, if it's validity is important to you, may seek to verify it with
the referee. Stand-alone such things are of only potentially
indicative value.

I'll note that the FIRST response I got offlist was from Olin. I
appreciate what he said overall including some very perspicacious
comments about what I'm probably like in the flesh. If I ever use his
reference I'll very likely use it in toto and leave the recipient to
make their own decisions about the "interesting" bits. He made one
comment re me about technical things that I somewhat disagree with but
I'd (of course) leave that in too. The value of the references is
showing how I'm perceived technically "at a distance" and to so modify
any one so it fails to do this would be pointless.

ANYONE who provides references uses only those that they think are
advantageous to them in some manner.

As you rightly note, a reference where you pick and choose the pieces
or don't indicate how you came to possess the material that shows you
in a good light tends to be no real reference at all. The link to IPCC
policy was totally appropriate :-).



           Russell

2007\10\08@201336 by Marcel Duchamp

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Regarding Mr. Russell McMahon,

Nobody would be better for the job.

You'll be lucky to get him to work for you.



2007\10\08@202731 by Jinx

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> You'll be lucky to get him to work for you

You know, there's another interpretation of that ;-))

A friend considers herself 'lucky' if she gets any work out her
mob on a Friday afternoon

2007\10\08@203657 by Roger, in Bangkok

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Hhmmm ... a lazy bum too, huh?!

Regards/The Sprite :-))

Dontcha just love open doors ... heheheheh?

On 10/9/07, Marcel Duchamp <marcel.duchampspamKILLspamsbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> Regarding Mr. Russell McMahon,
>
> Nobody would be better for the job.
>
> You'll be lucky to get him to work for you.
>
>

2007\10\08@212546 by Russell McMahon

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> Regarding Mr. Russell McMahon,
> You'll be lucky to get him to work for you.

The sentiment is appreciated.
But, in NZ that would be called a "Delphic utterance" (by some anyway)
:-)
That is, it can have two opposite meanings.
One means that it is hard to get him to work so you'll be lucky if you
get any useful work from him :-)


       Russell


2007\10\08@220701 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 07:53 PM 10/8/2007, you wrote:
> > Regarding Mr. Russell McMahon,
> > You'll be lucky to get him to work for you.
>
>The sentiment is appreciated.
>But, in NZ that would be called a "Delphic utterance" (by some anyway)
>:-)
>That is, it can have two opposite meanings.
>One means that it is hard to get him to work so you'll be lucky if you
>get any useful work from him :-)


"I am pleased to say that this candidate is a former colleague of mine"

"We would often find him loaded with work to do."

"All of his work is outstanding"

;-)

>Best regards,

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2007\10\08@223057 by Marcel Duchamp

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Russell McMahon wrote:
>> Regarding Mr. Russell McMahon,
>> You'll be lucky to get him to work for you.
>
> The sentiment is appreciated.
> But, in NZ that would be called a "Delphic utterance" (by some anyway)
> :-)
> That is, it can have two opposite meanings.
> One means that it is hard to get him to work so you'll be lucky if you
> get any useful work from him :-)
>
>
>         Russell
>
>

Plus Mr. McMahon is very perceptive, vis-a-vis the above.

I wrote those remarks *because* they are double entendres, plus they can
be taken two ways.  It was a feeble attempt at humor.  Spehro has found
some more gems of that sort.

In fact, I believe prospective employers will indeed be lucky to have
you in their employ.


2007\10\08@224008 by Jinx

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> "I am pleased to say that this candidate is a former colleague of mine"
>
> "We would often find him loaded with work to do."
>
> "All of his work is outstanding"

There are a few artistic reviewers known for their "left-handed" compliments

(A leftie quote - "The man is gauche, but not sinister")

http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/15770

[Moses] Hadas's array of replies to the hapless writers who burdened
his mailbox with their manuscripts was legendary:

"I have read your book, and much like it."
"Thank you for sending your book. I shall waste no time reading it."
"This book fills a much-needed gap."

The genre includes composer Max Reger's reply to a reviewer of his
latest work: "I am sitting in the smallest room of my house. I have your
review in front of me. Soon it will be behind me"

2007\10\09@215641 by James Newton

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In the many years that I have known Russell McMahon, he has repeatedly shown
himself to be technically accurate, generous in his advice, and uncannily
fast at work.

--
James Newton


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