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2002\09\18@031049 by Also-Antal Csaba

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www.keelynet.com/energy/cornish.htm

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2002\09\18@062750 by Brent Brown

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> http://www.keelynet.com/energy/cornish.htm
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> udv
> Csaba

Hmmm let me see... 18,000V @ 1 Amp = 18kW electrical input power,
aluminimum wire being destroyed at a rate of 30mm per second...sounds
more like a TIG welder!

With 18kW you could make a reasonable electric vehicle and not have
to feed it water & aluminium, nor dispose of huge volumes of
aluminium oxide.

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2002\09\18@070944 by Also-Antal Csaba

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Brent Brown wrote:
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> > http://www.keelynet.com/energy/cornish.htm
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> > udv
> > Csaba
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> Hmmm let me see... 18,000V @ 1 Amp = 18kW electrical input power,
> aluminimum wire being destroyed at a rate of 30mm per second...sounds
> more like a TIG welder!
>
> With 18kW you could make a reasonable electric vehicle and not have
> to feed it water & aluminium, nor dispose of huge volumes of
> aluminium oxide.

Yes, I think this is pulse current or mesured on 12V side.

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2002\09\18@071756 by Russell McMahon

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> Subject: [EE]:!!
> http://www.keelynet.com/energy/cornish.htm

A truly excellent reference (Hydrogen generator using water and aluminium as
feed stock).
But PLEASE put a brief reference to what such links are about so we can
decide whether to look at the, I would probably have missed this site if
others had not changed the subject line.

Some real possibilities using scrap aluminium.
A British torpedo ran in Aluminium & seawater.


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2002\09\18@072214 by Richard Stevens

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Is there not a very fundamental relationship between the energy required to
separate the Hydrogen and Oxygen and the energy released when the two are
recombined?

Richard.


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http://www.keelynet.com/energy/cornish.htm

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2002\09\18@073254 by Also-Antal Csaba

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Richard Stevens wrote:
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> Is there not a very fundamental relationship between the energy required to
> separate the Hydrogen and Oxygen and the energy released when the two are
> recombined?

Yes, but this energy stored in AL.

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2002\09\18@110514 by mpoulton

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>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:23:04 +1200
>From: Brent Brown <TakeThisOuTbrent.brownEraseMEspamspam_OUTCLEAR.NET.NZ>
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>> http://www.keelynet.com/energy/cornish.htm
>>
>> udv
>> Csaba
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>Hmmm let me see... 18,000V @ 1 Amp = 18kW electrical input
power,
>aluminimum wire being destroyed at a rate of 30mm per
second...sounds
>more like a TIG welder!
>
>With 18kW you could make a reasonable electric vehicle and
not have
>to feed it water & aluminium, nor dispose of huge volumes of
>aluminium oxide.

There are some serious technical inconsistencies in that
article.  A pair of automotive ignition coils will give 18kV
or more peak, and an amp or more peak, but the average power
is quite low.  Low enough that I don't believe for a second
that it could ignite aluminum underwater!  Not a chance.  If
they drove both coils with inverters at the resonant
frequency of the output circuit, then it might work -- but
that's not what they're talking about.

The circuit shown is completely out of the question.  The
text refers to a "conventional distributor and coil
arrangement", but the figure shows a highly
unorthodox "distributor" on the *primary side*.  That's not
where it goes.  Then they proceeded to put the secondaries
of the coils in parallel, and drive them 180 degrees out of
phase.  They added a capacitor across the output, too --
just to eliminate the remote possibility that it might still
work, I guess.
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2002\09\18@150340 by Peter L. Peres

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On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Brent Brown wrote:

*>> http://www.keelynet.com/energy/cornish.htm
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*>> udv
*>> Csaba
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*>Hmmm let me see... 18,000V @ 1 Amp = 18kW electrical input power,
*>aluminimum wire being destroyed at a rate of 30mm per second...sounds
*>more like a TIG welder!
*>
*>With 18kW you could make a reasonable electric vehicle and not have
*>to feed it water & aluminium, nor dispose of huge volumes of
*>aluminium oxide.

The point is that the bulk of the H2O dissociation energy is provided by
the Al reacting with O, not by the electrical source. The latter only
provides a small part of the energy. And I don't think it's 18kW else the
water in the tank would superheat in 15 minutes. He uses two standard
ignition coils acc. drawings so it would be more like 200-300W input. I
think that the Al oxidation also contributes heat to the device so
relatively little electrical power is needed.

Peter

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