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2004\09\09@112223 by Shawn Wilton

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LOL, ouch.  Has anyone but me gotten their PSoC dev kit?  I thought this thing was a simple µController dev kit, but this thing is capable of much more.

Jean-Michel Howland wrote:
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2004\09\09@114414 by Dave VanHorn

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At 10:22 AM 9/9/2004, Shawn Wilton wrote:

>LOL, ouch.  Has anyone but me gotten their PSoC dev kit?  I thought this thing was a simple µController dev kit, but this thing is capable of much more.
>
>Jean-Michel Howland wrote:
>>Herbert,
>>I finally hooked up the BitScope to the ZiLOG dev board and with this small bit of assembler I can toggle the pin at around 1.2MHz.
>>                ld      a,00h
>>                out0    (PC_ALT2),a
>>                out0    (PC_ALT1),a
>>                out0    (PC_DDR),a
>>loop:
>>                ld      a,00h
>>                out0    (PC_DR),a
>>                ld      a,01h
>>                out0    (PC_DR),a
>>                jr      loop
>>Doing the same in C makes it toggle around 560kHz.
>>Regards
>>Jean-Michel.


Hmm.. What clock?  In AVR, at 4 MHz xtal, I can get to this:
               sbi     DDRB,1  ;Makes bit 1 an output

Here:
       sbi     PORTB,1 ;Take it high
       cbi     PORTB,1 ;take it low
       rjmp    Here    ;

Three words of code space in the loop, no register use, no flags affected, and 1.5uS/cycle  Of course with the max 16 MHz clock, it would be 375nS or 2.6 MHz


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2004\09\09@115640 by Josh Koffman

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I haven't seen mine yet. But there was a nice email from Steve saying
that there had been some delays and they would be shipping soon. The
PSoCs are pretty cool little chips. I'm still fairly new to them, but
I find they have some wierd things happening sometimes in terms of
placement of the blocks. Certain blocks should be able to go anywhere
with no problems, yet problems appear. I also find their UART block a
little limited in terms of stop bits, etc.

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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 08:22:31 -0700, Shawn Wilton <.....shawnKILLspamspam@spam@black9.net> wrote:
> LOL, ouch.  Has anyone but me gotten their PSoC dev kit?  I thought this
> thing was a simple µController dev kit, but this thing is capable of
> much more.

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2004\09\09@120107 by Mike Hord

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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 08:22:31 -0700, Shawn Wilton <shawnspamKILLspamblack9.net> wrote:
> LOL, ouch.  Has anyone but me gotten their PSoC dev kit?  I thought this
> thing was a simple µController dev kit, but this thing is capable of
> much more.

Just got mine yesterday.  It's pretty cool; I wonder about the ability of the
invention board to use an external oscillator, or am I limited to the 2.5%
accurate on-chip oscillator?

I suppose I can use the board to program another PSoC, but still.

Mike H.

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2004\09\09@121517 by Jean-Michel Howland

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That's running at 50MHz but remember the eZ80 is a completely different
architecture to the AVR...Sorta like comparing a Ferrari to a Mack truck,
the Ferrari will get you there quick but bad luck if you wanted to haul the
contents of your house. :)

Regards
Jean-Michel.


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2004\09\09@123421 by Dave VanHorn
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>>Three words of code space in the loop, no register use, no flags affected, and 1.5uS/cycle  Of course with the max 16 MHz clock, it would be 375nS or 2.6 MHz
>
>That's running at 50MHz but remember the eZ80 is a completely different architecture to the AVR...Sorta like comparing a Ferrari to a Mack truck, the Ferrari will get you there quick but bad luck if you wanted to haul the contents of your house. :)

I guess!  

Reminds me of my favorite car commercial, which ran for a short time.

driver gets in a sports car, puts on gloves, starts, revs engine, then proceeds to run through a bunch of cones..

Second driver gets in a (cadillac?), puts drink in holder, drops into drive, and proceeds to run straight over all the cones.


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2004\09\09@134632 by Herbert Graf

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On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 11:22, Shawn Wilton wrote:
> LOL, ouch.  Has anyone but me gotten their PSoC dev kit?  I thought this
> thing was a simple &#181;Controller dev kit, but this thing is capable of
> much more.

Nope, got an email from someone saying there was a delay and he'd just
shipped them out, but I haven't received it yet. Looks like a very
interesting part. TTYL

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2004\09\09@134820 by Herbert Graf

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On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 11:43, Dave VanHorn wrote:

> Hmm.. What clock?  In AVR, at 4 MHz xtal, I can get to this:
>        
>         sbi     DDRB,1  ;Makes bit 1 an output
>
> Here:
>         sbi     PORTB,1 ;Take it high
>         cbi     PORTB,1 ;take it low
>         rjmp    Here    ;
>
> Three words of code space in the loop, no register use, no flags affected, and 1.5uS/cycle  Of course with the max 16 MHz clock, it would be 375nS or 2.6 MHz

Yup, that's what I was expecting from the Aclaim. Guess I didn't realize
soon enough that although the Aclaim is a Microcontroller, it isn't
really optimized to BE a microcontroller. I now see it as more of a
"system on a chip" type deal, it's a Microprocessor, with the support
components included. Good for MPU type jobs, bad (or even useless) for
MCU type jobs. TTYL

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2004\09\09@134921 by Herbert Graf

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On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 11:56, Josh Koffman wrote:
> I haven't seen mine yet. But there was a nice email from Steve saying
> that there had been some delays and they would be shipping soon. The
> PSoCs are pretty cool little chips. I'm still fairly new to them, but
> I find they have some wierd things happening sometimes in terms of
> placement of the blocks. Certain blocks should be able to go anywhere
> with no problems, yet problems appear. I also find their UART block a
> little limited in terms of stop bits, etc.
>
> Josh

Haven't had a chance to install the software yet (wasn't planning to
until the kit arrived). What's the learning curve like? TTYL

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2004\09\09@145333 by Josh Koffman

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Well, they have some "teletraining" on the Cypress site. I found it to
not be too bad. Really the hardest part was figuring out all the
intricacies of their IDE. It's very different from coding for a PIC,
you use the IDE to specify which hardware blocks to use and how to
connect them. While I'm sure this could be done by hand or with an
external development environment, it wouldn't be my choice. I am
fortunate enough to have an ICE here at work, so that helped a lot,
but just the invention board should be ok, just no debug. The sample
code and APIs that are given with the blocks are pretty good. I got
the LCD block working almost instantaneously. Tell the IDE you want to
use it (so it compiles in support). Then issue the right commands (ie
an init, and a write, etc) and viola, text on the screen.

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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 13:49:03 -0400, Herbert Graf
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> Haven't had a chance to install the software yet (wasn't planning to
> until the kit arrived). What's the learning curve like? TTYL
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2004\09\10@023300 by cdb

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:: as anyone but me gotten their PSoC dev kit?

Mine arrived today! Too knackered to look at it tonight.

Colin


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2004\09\10@023459 by cdb

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:: and viola

Sorry, but who's this chick Viola - on the fiddle perhaps?  :)

Voila mon petit choux!

Colin


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2004\09\13@152557 by Shawn Wilton

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What LCD?  Did you hook one up externally?  If so, I would love to see
pictures of that setup, as well as info on how you hooked it up if you
don't mind sharing.

-Shawn


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2004\09\13@173337 by Josh Koffman

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I'm currently away from my office dealing with some family issues
across the country. However, it was pretty simple. The LCD was a 2x20
from CrystalFontz. I simply compared the datasheet/pinout for it with
the datasheet for the LCD code block in PSoC designer. Then I wired
the right stuff together, and voila, it worked. I can't get pictures,
but even if I did they wouldn't be that useful as I hacked up an older
proto PCB that wasn't being used. The wiring changed are a
bit...uh...messy, but it was just to show it worked. I believe I ran
it in 4 bit mode. What's nice about the code Cypress provides is that
you set up what LCD connections are connected to which PSoC pins, then
all you have to do is issue API calls and it does writes, cursor
positioning, and initialization.

Josh
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:25:46 -0700, Shawn Wilton <@spam@shawnKILLspamspamblack9.net> wrote:
> What LCD?  Did you hook one up externally?  If so, I would love to see
> pictures of that setup, as well as info on how you hooked it up if you
> don't mind sharing.
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