Post by thread:[EE:] Supplier of single-sided PCB prototypes

I can really recommend Olimex (http://www.olimex.com) Low Cost, *very* god service and *good* support. Regards /Ake -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: pic microcontroller discussion list [spam_OUTPICLISTTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU]För Jason S Skickat: den 9 juni 2004 23:17 Till: .....PICLISTKILLspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Ämne: Re: [EE:] Supplier of single-sided PCB prototypes http://www.custompcb.com seems to be pretty cheap. The have 4x5.5 single sided boards for $9 (2 piece minimum). They also allow panelization of 1 or more designs (and even cut them out for you) on 8x11 panels which are 2 for $48 up to 10 for $138. I have never tried them because for a single sided board I'll etch it myself and for a double sided, the price doubles. Jason {Original Message removed}

God service? Sweet. Did you have to pay extra for the divinity or was that included? -Shawn Ake Hedman wrote: {Quote hidden}> I can really recommend Olimex (http://www.olimex.com) Low Cost, *very* god > service and *good* support. > > Regards > /Ake > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: pic microcontroller discussion list > [PICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU]För Jason S > Skickat: den 9 juni 2004 23:17 > Till: .....PICLISTKILLspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU > Ämne: Re: [EE:] Supplier of single-sided PCB prototypes > > > http://www.custompcb.com seems to be pretty cheap. The have 4x5.5 single sided > boards for $9 (2 piece minimum). > > They also allow panelization of 1 or more designs (and even cut them out > for > you) on 8x11 panels which are 2 for $48 up to 10 for $138. > > I have never tried them because for a single sided board I'll etch it > myself > and for a double sided, the price doubles. > > Jason > > {Original Message removed}

oops! /Ake -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: pic microcontroller discussion list [EraseMEPICLISTspam_OUTTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU]För Shawn Wilton Skickat: den 10 juni 2004 19:19 Till: PICLISTspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU Ämne: Re: SV: [EE:] Supplier of single-sided PCB prototypes God service? Sweet. Did you have to pay extra for the divinity or was that included? -Shawn Ake Hedman wrote: {Quote hidden}> I can really recommend Olimex (http://www.olimex.com) Low Cost, *very* god > service and *good* support. > > Regards > /Ake > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: pic microcontroller discussion list > [@spam@PICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU]För Jason S > Skickat: den 9 juni 2004 23:17 > Till: KILLspamPICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU > Ämne: Re: [EE:] Supplier of single-sided PCB prototypes > > > http://www.custompcb.com seems to be pretty cheap. The have 4x5.5 single sided > boards for $9 (2 piece minimum). > > They also allow panelization of 1 or more designs (and even cut them out > for > you) on 8x11 panels which are 2 for $48 up to 10 for $138. > > I have never tried them because for a single sided board I'll etch it > myself > and for a double sided, the price doubles. > > Jason > > {Original Message removed}

On Thursday, Jun 10, 2004, at 10:25 US/Pacific, Ake Hedman wrote: >> >>> Are there any really cheap (including shipping cost) suppliers of >>> single-sided prototype PCBs that anyone would like to share? >>> >>> I'm looking for non-plated through holes (so, not the typical >>> 2-layer PCB process) and if they had access to the typical low-cost >>> crappy laminates as an option, all the better. >>> My impression is that you don't GET that sort of board as a 'prototype.' You can start talking to providers of that sort for production runs, but for less than 1000 board, the setup and labor costs are SO much higher than material costs that no prototype house offer cheaper materials. When you order your $40 3x6 inch board from olimex, you're not REALLY paying $26 per board, you're paying something like $20 for setup, labor, and tooling, $4 for chemicals, inks, and tooling, and $2 for the board material itself. Reducing board material costs all the way to $1.50 just isn't helpful to the end price, and requires the boardmaker deal with additional details... BillW -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

At 04:27 PM 6/10/2004 -0700, you wrote: >My impression is that you don't GET that sort of board as a >'prototype.' There are expensive proto houses that will produce single-sided boards as for consumer products with V-groove, conductive printing, and all the rest. They can cost rather more than double-sided prototypes from cheap suppliers because they make it VERY close to the production boards. > You can start talking to providers of that sort for >production runs, but for less than 1000 board, the setup and labor >costs are SO much higher than material costs that no prototype house >offer cheaper materials. Typically on punched boards one free prototype is supplied... before the pallet load is made.. >When you order your $40 3x6 inch board from olimex, you're not REALLY >paying $26 per board, you're paying something like $20 for setup, >labor, and tooling, $4 for chemicals, inks, and tooling, and $2 for the >board material itself. Reducing board material costs all the way to >$1.50 just isn't helpful to the end price, and requires the boardmaker >deal with additional details... The barriers to entry on single-sided boards are lower. Many hobbyists and small companies actually etch their own, you know (and deal one way or another with the messiness and chemical disposal issues). We used to have a supplier who did this as a sideline. Mail is cheap for PCBs (a couple of dollars) and labor can be arbitraged. I would not expect a supplier who can do two sided or multilayer boards necessarily to be interested. Mostly, different factories are used for the two types of boards in production. I do recall seeing a web page for someone who charged so much per square inch, aimed at hobbyists.. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" RemoveMEspeffTakeThisOuTinterlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics