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'[EE:] Ericsson Communicam interfacing'
2004\06\11@105245 by Russell McMahon

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Has anyone got any information about interfacing to the Ericsson Communicam
cellphone camera. These are available cheaply locally 2nd hand, are powered
by the interface and use few connections. They would (presumably) be an
ideal microcontroller controllable stand alone camera. A quick Google
doesn't turn up anything, but I'm sure it will have been done.


       Russell McMahon

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2004\06\11@131125 by D. Jay Newman

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> Has anyone got any information about interfacing to the Ericsson Communicam
> cellphone camera. These are available cheaply locally 2nd hand, are powered
> by the interface and use few connections. They would (presumably) be an
> ideal microcontroller controllable stand alone camera. A quick Google
> doesn't turn up anything, but I'm sure it will have been done.

If you have a source, can you share some with the rest of us?

Or at least me?  :)
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2004\06\11@200638 by redtock8

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Russell;
I am working on this also and have found alot of info.
The cell phone is just a GSM Modem.
You control it with an extended AT Command set.
Just buy a data cable(USB or serial) for your phone and you can talk to it
with
Hyper Terminal using standard AT Commands.
You need to sign up as a developer with the phone Mfg. to get the
extended commands for your phone.


Attached are some good links for AT Commands

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2004\06\13@105908 by redtock8

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Russell;
I am working on this also and have found alot of info.
The cell phone is just a GSM Modem.
You control it with an extended AT Command set.
Just buy a data cable(USB or serial) for your phone and you can talk to it
with
Hyper Terminal using standard AT Commands.
You need to sign up as a developer with the phone Mfg. to get the
extended commands for your phone.


I have some good links for AT Commands

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2004\06\13@111711 by Herbert Graf

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> Russell;
> I am working on this also and have found alot of info.
> The cell phone is just a GSM Modem.
> You control it with an extended AT Command set.
> Just buy a data cable(USB or serial) for your phone and you can talk to it
> with
> Hyper Terminal using standard AT Commands.
> You need to sign up as a developer with the phone Mfg. to get the
> extended commands for your phone.

       If you read the post again you'll realize he isn't interested in
interfacing to the phone, he's interested in interfacing to the camera that
plugs into the phone. TTYL

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2004\06\13@142751 by redtock8

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Thanks for pointing that out Herbert.

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> > Russell;
> > I am working on this also and have found alot of info.
> > The cell phone is just a GSM Modem.
> > You control it with an extended AT Command set.
> > Just buy a data cable(USB or serial) for your phone and you can talk to
it
> > with
> > Hyper Terminal using standard AT Commands.
> > You need to sign up as a developer with the phone Mfg. to get the
> > extended commands for your phone.
>
>         If you read the post again you'll realize he isn't interested in
> interfacing to the phone, he's interested in interfacing to the camera
that
> plugs into the phone. TTYL
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2004\06\14@031559 by Russell McMahon

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> > Has anyone got any information about interfacing to the Ericsson
Communicam
> > cellphone camera. These are available cheaply locally 2nd hand, are
powered
> > by the interface and use few connections. They would (presumably) be an
> > ideal microcontroller controllable stand alone camera. A quick Google
> > doesn't turn up anything, but I'm sure it will have been done.
>
> If you have a source, can you share some with the rest of us?
>
> Or at least me?  :)


Local auction site (I shouldn't tell the world about our treasures, should I
? :-) ).

       http://www.trademe.co.nz

Communicams seem to trickle through regularly and are not overly expensive
by themselves.
This probably due to the inclusion of cameras within newer phones and the
uselessness of the camera in any other context - unless one learns how to
use them stand alone. Google knows heaps about the camera, but I could find
nothing to suggest that anyone has used them for other purposes.

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2004\06\14@032558 by Russell McMahon

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> Russell;
> I am working on this also and have found alot of info.
> The cell phone is just a GSM Modem.
> You control it with an extended AT Command set.
> Just buy a data cable(USB or serial) for your phone and you can talk to it
> with
> Hyper Terminal using standard AT Commands.
> You need to sign up as a developer with the phone Mfg. to get the
> extended commands for your phone.
>
>
> I have some good links for AT Commands
>
> You can e-mail me off list if you want
> spamBeGoneredrock8spamBeGonespamalltel.net

I am also interested in the ability to operate the camera on the phone via
USB or Bluetooth BUT the main interest I had was in using the camera
standalone - probably with a microcontroller.


       RM

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2004\06\14@065716 by Jake

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Are you locked into the Ericsson camera?

I've seen the "low res" T-mobile sidekick camera on eBay for $9.00.
Right now, there's one seller selling them for $12.00 plus an
exorbitant $9 shipping, so i'd avoid that one.  There's also a "high
res" version that puts out (~350x280 if I recall.  Note that the high
res one is actually low res, so the low res one basically takes
pictures the size of a postage stamp.)

The cameras are basically kyrocera cameras with a 3.3v SPI interface.
This page has links to lots of pages about the camera:  The focus of
this article was to find out how to get data into the "Hiptop" cell
phone, but there's enough information and links to hook one of these up
to a PIC.  Check page 2 for links to lots of pages (in Japanese) of
people hacking this camera.

http://homepage.mac.com/eric3/danger/cameraworld.htm

These cameras use a "digital retina" chip that has lots of other useful
features such as edge detection.

Not really much info on the Ericsson, but possibly an alternative for
you.

Jake

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2004\06\14@084608 by Russell McMahon

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> Are you locked into the Ericsson camera?

It was more a "can I use these cameras" thought than a definite
application - but I do have applications. I thought it would be nice to be
able to use it as they are readily available locally 2nd hand at a moderate
price and there is a reasonable chance that they would be adaptable to
microcontroller control. These were amongst the 1st wave of cellphone
cameras about 2 years ago AFAIK. They clip onto the bottom of various Sony
Ericsson phones and have 640 x 480 resolution (although I am as yet unsure
of the sensor resolution).

My old cellphone recently expired. I ensure that my cellphone is always
"trailing edge" technology - I object in principle (and in practice ;-) ) at
staying up with the latest gee gaws at early innovator prices. I have just
bought a used T68i (not yet received) at about 25% of equivalent new phone
price. It has GPRS * (which was the main purchasing factor), Bluetooth &
colour screen, all the usual stuff and one of these cameras.


       Russell McMahon


* GPRS allows exhorbitant but bearably priced web access and the phone can
act as a GSM/GPRS internet modem for a laptop

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2004\06\14@091849 by Mike Hord

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>My old cellphone recently expired. I ensure that my cellphone is always
>"trailing edge" technology - I object in principle (and in practice ;-) )
>at
>staying up with the latest gee gaws at early innovator prices.

A wise philosophy, Russell.  When my (and my wife's) phones pooped
out last year, we contacted Verizon about getting new ones.  The
only ones they were willing to meet us on (i.e., give us the "New-every-
two" a bit early) were the spankin' new LG VX6000's.

Flash forward four months and we've gone through 5 of them between
us (this was last August).  Apparently LG didn't think that any kind of
permanent connection between the main PCB in the unit and the
antenna was necessary, so the contact was being "un-made".

Not ready for prime-time, and it ended up costing us more after all the
rebates and stuff than it would just to buy it off-the-shelf now.  Add in
5 round trips to the nearest sizable city (45 minutes at highway speeds)
and we'd have been better off sticking with the old ones.  :-p

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2004\06\14@235418 by hilip Stortz

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it seems to me the place to start would be to add some testpoints/wires
hanging out and use it plugged in while monitoring the lines for
signals, that should give you some idea of where to start.  after that
you could also try opening data lines and trying to determine the signal
flow direction.  it's probably I2C or something similarly easy.  if you
do hack it out, please let us all know, cheap cameras could be fun!
(though cmos image sensors are getting alarmingly cheap).

Russell McMahon wrote:
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