Post by thread:[EE:] Circuit Cellar contest

Okay, so MAYBE this should go under the AVR tag, but I'm sure some of my target audience doesn't receive that, and I don't, so I'm putting it in EE. Has anyone received their AVR starter kit for the CC AVR Design Contest yet? I registered a few weeks ago and haven't heard back yet... Mike H. _________________________________________________________________ Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email spam_OUTlistservTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

I looked at registering a couple weeks ago and found this: http://www.circuitcellar.com/avr2004/kit.html Starter Kit All the AVR ISP Sample Kits in stock are already allocated. Everyone who has already filled out a sample request form should be receiving their ISP Sample Kits in the next few weeks. Atmel assures us that more AVR ISP Sample Kits are in the pipe and on the way to us. When you see the Starter Kit sample request form posted instead of this message, it indicates that kits are back in stock and we welcome your sample request. {Original Message removed}

{Quote hidden}> > > Has anyone received their AVR starter kit for the CC AVR Design > > > Contest yet? I registered a few weeks ago and haven't heard > > > back yet... > > > > Yes, a few eeks ago, but I registered ages ago (in response to an email > > write-around from big Steve). > > > > I admit it, I am flirting with the dark side :) > > > > Now does anyone know something usefull that can be done with an AVR? I > > mean - if it were usefull it would be done with a PIC - right? > > > > Wouter van Ooijen > > > > lol Wouter, give the AVR a chance! > Quest your genius by doing something useful with the AVR ;-) > > MfG, > Do.Pe. Are they still giving out the starter kits? TTYL -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email .....listservKILLspam@spam@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

> > > Now does anyone know something usefull that can be done with an AVR? I > > > mean - if it were usefull it would be done with a PIC - right? > > lol Wouter, give the AVR a chance! > > Quest your genius by doing something useful with the AVR ;-) > Are they still giving out the starter kits? TTYL They claim that Atmel will be sending out some more "soon", but I registered before the "Out to lunch, back soon" message appeared. To me, besmirching one processor in favor of another seems silly. That's like saying "Why would you use a wrench when a hammer is clearly better?" In other words, they are two different tools, and while the differences in applications between PIC and AVR are narrower than the differences in applications between hammers and wrenches, sometimes (no doubt) one is preferable. That said, I've only barely just looked at the AVR, and I do like the fixed instruction time of the PIC a heck of a lot, but hey, I'll give them a shot. I don't know that you have to come up with an application that can *only* use the AVR, just one that uses it well. I suspect that almost any microcontroller based project can be done with several different processors, and I'd bet that more than one would fit very well. Mike H. _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable access with MSN 9 Dial-up. Click here for Special Offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listservKILLspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

> any microcontroller based project can be done with several > different processors, and I'd bet that more than one would fit > very well Generally true. There are the odd occassions when it's good to have a Plan B. I was offered a job once and simply couldn't get the PIC I wanted (no stock, long lead time). Having already had my toe in the water re AVR it was fairly simple to do that job with them, and it paid off. Over and above the time taken to get up to speed, so well worth it. My AVR supplier was also able to let me have small quantities of SOT, which my PIC couldn't have done. That said, these days I make sure I have enough PICs and SX for foreseeable needs and haven't used an AVR for some time -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email .....listservKILLspam.....mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

"SOT" ??? have small quantities of SOT, which my PIC couldn't have done. That said, these days I make sure I have enough PICs and SX for foreseeable needs and haven't used an AVR for some time -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email EraseMElistservspam_OUTTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listservspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 11:43:08 +1300, Jinx <KILLspamjoecolquittKILLspamCLEAR.NET.NZ> wrote: >> "SOT" ??? > > Actually SOIC I think. It was a surface mount 2313 anyway SOIC -> Small Outline IC SOT -> Small Outline Transistor regards alex -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email RemoveMElistservTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

I got my kit not four hours after I sent out that e-mail...;-) It included two AVR processors, a 9-pin serial cable, a CD of data and software (but I'm sure I'll download it all instead; still, quite thoughtful for those w/o broadband), and an ISP. The ISP is TARGET powered (boo, hiss), and runs through the serial port rather than USB. I don't think it includes provisions for independent power supply, which stinks, but hey, it's a free tool and I intend to try to enjoy it! I hope Microchip gets on the ball and sponsors a contest soon... Mike H. {Quote hidden}> > I received mine yesterday! > > What did the kit include? Thanks, TTYL > >---------------------------------- >Herbert's PIC Stuff: >http://repatch.dyndns.org:8383/pic_stuff/ > >-- >http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList >EraseMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestmitvma.mit.edu _________________________________________________________________ Say good-bye to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList RemoveMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestEraseMEEraseMEmitvma.mit.edu

Turns out mine was here yesterday, but it was on somebody else's desk. Ok. Now that we've got programmers, how about some compiler reccomendations, sample projects and the like to get us started? -Denny {Quote hidden}> I got my kit not four hours after I sent out that e-mail...;-) > > It included two AVR processors, a 9-pin serial cable, a CD of > data and software (but I'm sure I'll download it all instead; > still, quite thoughtful for those w/o broadband), and an ISP. > > The ISP is TARGET powered (boo, hiss), and runs through > the serial port rather than USB. I don't think it includes > provisions for independent power supply, which stinks, but > hey, it's a free tool and I intend to try to enjoy it! I hope > Microchip gets on the ball and sponsors a contest soon... > > Mike H. > > > > I received mine yesterday! > > > > What did the kit include? Thanks, TTYL > > > >---------------------------------- > >Herbert's PIC Stuff: > >http://repatch.dyndns.org:8383/pic_stuff/ > > > >-- > >http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList > >RemoveMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestspam_OUTKILLspammitvma.mit.edu > > _________________________________________________________________ > Say good-bye to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial > offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList > RemoveMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestTakeThisOuTspammitvma.mit.edu -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList EraseMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestspamspamBeGonemitvma.mit.edu

I've just been through the same process and I can recommend BASCOM AVR if you're in a hurry (http://www.mcselec.com) or WinAVR (GCC AVR) from http://www.avrfreaks.com for an ANSI C compatible compiler. AVR Freaks has a huge range of user created libraries of functions and code examples, very handy. One I can definately recommend is the library made by Chris Efstathiou. It contains code for 1 wire, i2c, LCD displays, AD converters, software and hardware UARTs and some very handy accurate delay functions. All the code is in GCC compatible C, very well documented and easy to read, and very configurable. All the timing functionality throughout the library is dependent upon a #DEFINE'd processor frwquency, not hard coded, which saves a lot of time... Should this go under the [AVR]: tag now?? > {Original Message removed}

> The ISP is TARGET powered (boo, hiss), and runs through > the serial port rather than USB. I don't think it includes > provisions for independent power supply, which stinks, What's wrong with a programmer being target-powered? Your target system has to be powered anyway! Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: http://www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

Mike Hord wrote: > I got my kit not four hours after I sent out that e-mail...;-) > > It included two AVR processors, a 9-pin serial cable, a CD of Mine didn't come with any AVR processors but I didn't ask for any samples (I have some). -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry RemoveMEncherryKILLspamcomcast.net http://home.comcast.net/~ncherry/ (Text only) http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge) http://hcs.sourceforge.net/ (HCS II) -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

> > The ISP is TARGET powered (boo, hiss), and runs through > > the serial port rather than USB. I don't think it includes > > provisions for independent power supply, which stinks, > >What's wrong with a programmer being target-powered? Your target system >has to be powered anyway! It depends on the application. I'm working on one now that has minimal power, certainly not enough to drive the whole enchilada, ie, programmer and target. Given the choice I prefer USB powered, since it has its own power supply without a battery to die or a second cable. I certainly didn't mean to besmirch any of the fine PIC programmers. ;-) Mike H. _________________________________________________________________ Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

> It depends on the application. I'm working on one now that has > minimal power, certainly not enough to drive the whole enchilada, > ie, programmer and target. In that case I guess you are in trouble anyway, because a PIC will draw significantly more current while being programmed? Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: http://www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

A Late entry to this thread, mine arrived this morning by Fedex, to Warrington, England. :) -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list [PICLISTSTOPspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Neil Cherry Sent: 25 February 2004 11:55 To: spamBeGonePICLISTSTOPspamEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: [EE:] Circuit Cellar contest I received mine yesterday! -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry KILLspamncherryspamBeGonecomcast.net http://home.comcast.net/~ncherry/ (Text only) http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge) http://hcs.sourceforge.net/ (HCS II) -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList EraseMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestEraseMEmitvma.mit.edu -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads