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'[EE:] Circuit Cellar contest'
2004\02\24@151358 by Mike Hord

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Okay, so MAYBE this should go under the AVR tag, but I'm sure
some of my target audience doesn't receive that, and I don't,
so I'm putting it in EE.

Has anyone received their AVR starter kit for the CC AVR Design
Contest yet?  I registered a few weeks ago and haven't heard
back yet...

Mike H.

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2004\02\24@155051 by Charles Craft

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I looked at registering a couple weeks ago and found this:

http://www.circuitcellar.com/avr2004/kit.html

Starter Kit

All the AVR ISP Sample Kits in stock are already allocated.

Everyone who has already filled out a sample request form should be receiving their ISP Sample Kits in the next few weeks. Atmel assures us that more AVR ISP Sample Kits are in the pipe and on the way to us. When you see the Starter Kit sample request form posted instead of this message, it indicates that kits are back in stock and we welcome your sample request.


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2004\02\24@163631 by Herbert Graf

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       Are they still giving out the starter kits? TTYL

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2004\02\24@165708 by Mike Hord

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> > > Now does anyone know something usefull that can be done with an AVR? I
> > > mean - if it were usefull it would be done with a PIC - right?

> > lol Wouter, give the AVR a chance!
> > Quest your genius by doing something useful with the AVR ;-)

>         Are they still giving out the starter kits? TTYL

They claim that Atmel will be sending out some more "soon", but I
registered before the "Out to lunch, back soon" message appeared.

To me, besmirching one processor in favor of another seems silly.
That's like saying "Why would you use a wrench when a hammer
is clearly better?"  In other words, they are two different tools,
and while the differences in applications between PIC and AVR
are narrower than the differences in applications between hammers
and wrenches, sometimes (no doubt) one is preferable.

That said, I've only barely just looked at the AVR, and I do like the
fixed instruction time of the PIC a heck of a lot, but hey, I'll give
them a shot.

I don't know that you have to come up with an application that can
*only* use the AVR, just one that uses it well.  I suspect that almost
any microcontroller based project can be done with several different
processors, and I'd bet that more than one would fit very well.

Mike H.

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2004\02\24@172202 by Jinx

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> any microcontroller based project can be done with several
> different processors, and I'd bet that more than one would fit
> very well

Generally true. There are the odd occassions when it's good to
have a Plan B. I was offered a job once and simply couldn't get
the PIC I wanted (no stock, long lead time). Having already had
my toe in the water re AVR it was fairly simple to do that job with
them, and it paid off. Over and above the time taken to get up to
speed, so well worth it. My AVR supplier was also able to let me
have small quantities of SOT, which my PIC couldn't have done.
That said, these days I make sure I have enough PICs and SX for
foreseeable needs and haven't used an AVR for some time

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2004\02\24@172617 by Charles Craft

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"SOT"  ???


have small quantities of SOT, which my PIC couldn't have done.
That said, these days I make sure I have enough PICs and SX for
foreseeable needs and haven't used an AVR for some time

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2004\02\24@174240 by Jinx

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> "SOT"  ???

Actually SOIC I think. It was a surface mount 2313 anyway

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2004\02\24@191808 by WH Tan

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I have set my browser's home to
http://www.circuitcellar.com/avr2004/kit.html.
Everyday when I was open my browser, I never notice anything changed.

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2004\02\24@195432 by Alexander JJ Rice

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On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 11:43:08 +1300, Jinx <KILLspamjoecolquittKILLspamspamCLEAR.NET.NZ> wrote:

>> "SOT"  ???
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> Actually SOIC I think. It was a surface mount 2313 anyway

SOIC -> Small Outline IC
SOT  -> Small Outline Transistor

regards

alex

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2004\02\25@052755 by Alan B. Pearce

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>SOT  -> Small Outline Transistor

Yeah, although around here SOT is taken to mean "select on test", and are
usually regarded as "sods"

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2004\02\25@065631 by Neil Cherry

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I received mine yesterday!

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2004\02\25@101753 by Herbert Graf

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> I received mine yesterday!

       What did the kit include? Thanks, TTYL

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2004\02\25@200029 by Mike Hord

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I got my kit not four hours after I sent out that e-mail...;-)

It included two AVR processors, a 9-pin serial cable, a CD of
data and software (but I'm sure I'll download it all instead;
still, quite thoughtful for those w/o broadband), and an ISP.

The ISP is TARGET powered (boo, hiss), and runs through
the serial port rather than USB.  I don't think it includes
provisions for independent power supply, which stinks, but
hey, it's a free tool and I intend to try to enjoy it!  I hope
Microchip gets on the ball and sponsors a contest soon...

Mike H.

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2004\02\25@223314 by Denny Esterline

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Turns out mine was here yesterday, but it was on somebody else's desk.


Ok. Now that we've got programmers, how about some compiler
reccomendations, sample projects and the like to get us started?

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2004\02\25@224524 by Liam O'Hagan

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I've just been through the same process and I can recommend BASCOM AVR if
you're in a hurry (http://www.mcselec.com) or WinAVR (GCC AVR) from
http://www.avrfreaks.com for an ANSI C compatible compiler.

AVR Freaks has a huge range of user created libraries of functions and code
examples, very handy. One I can definately recommend is the library made by
Chris Efstathiou. It contains code for 1 wire, i2c, LCD displays, AD
converters, software and hardware UARTs and some very handy accurate delay
functions. All the code is in GCC compatible C, very well documented and
easy to read, and very configurable. All the timing functionality throughout
the library is dependent upon a #DEFINE'd processor frwquency, not hard
coded, which saves a lot of time...

Should this go under the [AVR]: tag now??

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2004\02\26@024712 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> The ISP is TARGET powered (boo, hiss), and runs through
> the serial port rather than USB.  I don't think it includes
> provisions for independent power supply, which stinks,

What's wrong with a programmer being target-powered? Your target system
has to be powered anyway!

Wouter van Ooijen

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2004\02\26@082950 by Neil Cherry

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Mike Hord wrote:
> I got my kit not four hours after I sent out that e-mail...;-)
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> It included two AVR processors, a 9-pin serial cable, a CD of

Mine didn't come with any AVR processors but I didn't ask for any
samples (I have some).

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2004\02\26@144826 by Mike Hord

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> > The ISP is TARGET powered (boo, hiss), and runs through
> > the serial port rather than USB.  I don't think it includes
> > provisions for independent power supply, which stinks,
>
>What's wrong with a programmer being target-powered? Your target system
>has to be powered anyway!

It depends on the application.  I'm working on one now that has
minimal power, certainly not enough to drive the whole enchilada,
ie, programmer and target.

Given the choice I prefer USB powered, since it has its own power
supply without a battery to die or a second cable.

I certainly didn't mean to besmirch any of the fine PIC programmers.
;-)

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2004\02\26@151322 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> It depends on the application.  I'm working on one now that has
> minimal power, certainly not enough to drive the whole enchilada,
> ie, programmer and target.

In that case I guess you are in trouble anyway, because a PIC will draw
significantly more current while being programmed?

Wouter van Ooijen

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'[EE:] Circuit Cellar contest'
2004\03\12@183818 by Jim Franklin
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A Late entry to this thread, mine arrived this morning by Fedex,
to Warrington, England. :)


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I received mine yesterday!

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