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'[BUY] web site graphics work'
2007\10\28@022358 by James Newton

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I need some graphics help. Actually, anyone who has looked at piclist.com or
massmind.org knows I have no skill with graphics or style sheets, but on a
tech info site it doesn't matter that much (in my opinion: If anyone what to
come up with a better style for the existing sites, I wouldn't mind) but I'm
getting ready to launch a new site and it really needs to be visually
appealing. I want to hire a graphic artist to help me set it up.

The layout I have in mind is looking down on a bed: Headboard with the site
name appearing to be engraved into it at the top, then pillows and blanket
below in a very light cream color behind what ever text and pictures I put
on the page. On the left and right, I would like to have the posts and
narrow curtains from a 4 poster or canopy bed. I don't expect the
perspective to be accurate to real life. It will look as if the posts and
curtains are laid down on top of the bed, and the headboard will be at more
of an angle than it would naturally be. I think it will still look
attractive, but what do I know, you tell me.

It is important to me that the graphics resize WITH the browser window. E.g.
the text wraps between the curtains and the right curtain and post stay on
the right edge of the window. I would like the headboard, pillows, and
blanket stretch to fill, but if that can't be done well, I guess I can live
with it being optimized for the most common screen sizes. It would just look
like your point of view was shifting at an angle as more or less of the
right side of the bed is visible.

My #1 pet peve is slow loading web sites; I know I only have a few seconds
to capture my audience. and of course anything with graphics is going to
load slow, at least the first page. I really hope there are a lot of tricks
that can be used to reduce the bandwidth. For example, I would guess the two
pillows can re-use one image. Perhaps the blanket can be that same image
stretched out over the larger area. The left and right curtains can be a
single image that is tiled from top to bottom and same for the post. Maybe
different images at the top and bottom of the curtain to get that gathered
effect.

The emotional effect I'm looking for is one of safety (strong headboard),
comfort (soft pillows), stability (thick hardwood posts). Restfullness.
Perhaps fun e.g. "Grandmas featherbed" but not little old lady, more like
classy women, good wife, feminine in a subtile way. It is a background so I
want the effect to be very subtle

In the future, I might want to have some custom versions of the headboard
with a small menu or other graphics embedded, so I'd like to make sure to
leave some room for that beside the web site name.

Please contact me offlist if you actually want the job, and send a link with
a sample of your prior work? Thanks. If you have advice on where to find a
good graphic artists or hints on how to set it up web graphic layouts that
you are willing to share, please respond on list, as I hope there are other
people who may have simular interests now or in the future.

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James Newton
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2007\10\29@123817 by James Newton

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Seriously? No one does web graphics?

Anyone have any suggestions for where better to post this request?

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James Newton

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2007\10\29@125315 by Dario Greggio (in giro)

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> Seriously? No one does web graphics?
>
> Anyone have any suggestions for where better to post this request?

Hi James, I've done some websites, but not "seriously" :)
I can help with some hints, or maybe some graphics as well.

http://adpm.homeip.net

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Ciao,
Dario

2007\10\29@151126 by Brendan Gillatt

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James Newton wrote:
> Seriously? No one does web graphics?
>
> Anyone have any suggestions for where better to post this request?
>

I do a fair amount of web design when I have the time and I'm certainly
happy to help out with any CSS or HTML problems you've got, the techref
site included. I'm not great with actual graphics though. If you're a
usenet reader you could try asking in alt.http://www.site-design.

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Brendan Gillatt
brendan {at} brendangillatt {dot} co {dot} uk
http://www.brendangillatt.co.uk
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2007\10\29@151324 by Vitaliy
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James Newton wrote:
> Seriously? No one does web graphics?
>
> Anyone have any suggestions for where better to post this request?

We're in the same boat. You can try Coroflot (http://www.coroflot.com) they
let you search resumes and portfolios for free. We posted an ad there three
weeks ago, and the response has generally been better (in terms of quality)
compared to Monster.

Others on the list suggested craigslist, also got a few interesting
responses. That may actually be a better place to post your first ad -- it's
free, and there seem to be more qualified candidates in California.

2007\10\29@162023 by alan smith

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Try:
 
 Guru.com
 sologig.com
 
 both cater to contractors/consultants.
 
 Everyone I know is overloaded with work, and not interested in taking on anything new.

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2007\10\29@171941 by James Newton

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Thank you Brendan, the actual graphics are also a problem for me, but in the
HTML CSS area, I'm trying to figure out how to make the graphics arrange
themselves nicely on the page.

The basic structure is divided like an "H" with three horizontal divides
rather than just the one. To the left and right of the vertical lines, there
is a narrow area for the bed posts and the curtains. In the center, between
those divisions, there is a short area at the very top for the headboard,
then below that the pillows and comforter. The text should wrap over the
area of the pillows and comforter, but if the heading has to be on the
pillows and the body text below that, I don't mind.

So I was thinking it would be done with a table:

<TABLE WIDTH="100%" CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="0">
 <TR>
   <TD WIDTH="80px" bgcolor="#996633">p c<BR>
     o u<BR>
     s r<BR>
     t t<BR>
     &nbsp; a<BR>
     &nbsp; i<BR>
     &nbsp; n</TD>
   <TD><TABLE CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="0" WIDTH="100%">
       <TR>
         <TD COLSPAN=2 BGCOLOR="#663300"><P ALIGN=Center>
           &nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>
           sitename on headboard<BR>
           &nbsp;&nbsp;</TD>
       </TR>
       <TR>
         <TD bgcolor="#f0f0f0"><P ALIGN=Center>
           &nbsp;<BR>
           (pillow)<BR>
           &nbsp;</TD>
         <TD BGCOLOR=#f0f0f0><P ALIGN=Center>
           &nbsp;<BR>
           (pillow)<BR>
           &nbsp;</TD>
       </TR>
     </TABLE>
     <P ALIGN=Center>
     (Comforter)
     <P ALIGN=Center>
     &nbsp;
     <P ALIGN=Center>
     Text and content
     <P ALIGN=Center>
     &nbsp;
     <P ALIGN=Center>
     &nbsp;
     <P ALIGN=Center>
     &nbsp;
     <P ALIGN=Center>
     &nbsp;
     <P ALIGN=Center>
     &nbsp;
     <P ALIGN=Center>
     &nbsp;</TD>
   <TD WIDTH="80px" bgcolor="#996633"><P ALIGN=Right>
     c p<BR>
     u o<BR>
     r s<BR>
     t t<BR>
     a &nbsp;<BR>
     i &nbsp;<BR>
     n &nbsp;</TD>
 </TR>
</TABLE>

Or is that too old school these days?

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James Newton

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2007\10\29@173611 by Dario Greggio

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James Newton wrote:

> So I was thinking it would be done with a table:

Table is *old*, CSS is *new* :)

Seriously, DHTML and CSS are much more precise: if you have to start
with "something", I'd suggest you take a look at the latter.

In my page (I posted before) I did just use a bit of them, but after
some initial panic, it did allow much more control .


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Ciao, Dario

2007\10\29@190508 by James Newton

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Yes, I understand and agree... The problem is I sort of don't want to spend
the time to learn all that for a one off job. What would you charge me to
convert that table example into CSS?

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James.

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2007\10\29@192831 by Dario Greggio

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James Newton wrote:

> Yes, I understand and agree... The problem is I sort of don't want to spend
> the time to learn all that for a one off job. What would you charge me to
> convert that table example into CSS?

Oh, I don't know, James, I may take a look tomorrow.

I'm placing it in here
http://adpm.homeip.net/files/james.html
in order to test it.

TTYL

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Ciao, Dario

2007\10\29@195435 by Dario Greggio

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Dario Greggio wrote:

> I'm placing it in here
> http://adpm.homeip.net/files/james.html

ok, more or less it's done :)
The "auto-resize" thing has to be done/checked, I'm not sure I got
exactly what you had in mind from your post.
Here it is the CSS file
http://adpm.homeip.net/files/james.css

(some remnants of other things have been left there :) they can be
eventually removed.)


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Ciao, Dario

2007\10\29@200053 by Dario Greggio

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A post scriptum:
do look at it with different browsers - Netscape and Explorer do render
it slightly differently.

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Ciao, Dario

2007\10\29@212220 by James Newton

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I VERY much appreciate your taking this on, but that doesn't resize as the
table version did. With the table, the right hand curtain and post moved
with the right edge of the browser and the text in the center had a space to
wrap in as the window resized.

I don't understand the advantage of CSS over tables if we loose
functionality, if it can't be as flexible...

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James.


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2007\10\29@215137 by gavin-egan.com

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Hi all

I'm a fairly average web designer/php/sql etc however I am capable of
generating fairly good graphics.

So if I can help... Let me know

Examples of some of my graphics/code are at http://www.amps.co.nz
Other 3d stuff and photoshop/artwork http://www.gavin-egan.com/promo

Bear in mind my website gavin-egan.com isn't designed as a promotional place
(more a dumping ground) as I am presently happily employed rather than self
employed.

Programs I'm well versed in : - Adobe illustrator - AutoCAD - Photoshop -
Dreamweaver - notepad - indesign  - macromedia director -

Let me know if theres the odd job needing doing.

Cheers

Chris


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2007\10\30@000816 by PicDude

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I have had good results with guru.com .  Post your project and contractors
will bid on it.  There are other similar sites such as getafreelancer.com ,
etc.

Cheers,
-Neil.



On Monday 29 October 2007 11:38, James Newton wrote:
> Seriously? No one does web graphics?
>
> Anyone have any suggestions for where better to post this request?
>
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> James Newton
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> {Original Message removed}

2007\10\30@041128 by Vitaliy

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eLance comes to mind (used it in the past with varying success).


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2007\10\30@044536 by Dario Greggio

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James Newton wrote:

> I VERY much appreciate your taking this on, but that doesn't resize as the
> table version did. With the table, the right hand curtain and post moved
> with the right edge of the browser and the text in the center had a space to
> wrap in as the window resized.

I know, that's what I wrote after 1 or 2 posts :)

> I don't understand the advantage of CSS over tables if we loose
> functionality, if it can't be as flexible...

Sure it can be done. Position can be made relative, and size variable.
I'll work on it again, later.
It's also for my own knowledge: actually, the possibility to make things
"fixed" was a bonus for such panels showing info (such as temperature etc).

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Ciao, Dario

2007\10\30@105344 by Brendan Gillatt

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James Newton wrote:
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I'm afraid so ;]

Have a look at
http://www.brendangillatt.co.uk/code/james-newton/james-css.html

I've made a very simple mockup of what you could do with CSS. It's
definitely worth the time learning CSS - it's invaluable. A big part of
CSS is simply trying things out and seeing what works well.

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Brendan Gillatt
brendan {at} brendangillatt {dot} co {dot} uk
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2007\10\30@131618 by James Newton

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Wow! That is very nice...

The resizing of the headboard picture is just excellent.

I actually wanted the content to flow over the pillows and comforter, which
is, by the way just a fancy, extra thick blanket. I assume there is some way
to make that div float.

There is an effect that I'm seeing that would be a concern: As I resize IE7,
the headboard, pillows, etc... will randomly jump down to below and the left
of the left hand bedpost / curtain area and if I happen to stop resizing at
that point, it actually stays down there.

Does anyone else see that?

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2007\10\30@144857 by Morgan Olsson

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Den 2007-10-30 18:15:40 skrev James Newton <.....jamesnewtonKILLspamspam.....massmind.org>:

> http://www.brendangillatt.co.uk/code/james-newton/james-css.html

FWIW that page looks the same in Konqueror, Opera, and Firefox, and rezising works.
http://validator.w3.org/ reports some errors though.

/the curiuous...
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Morgan Olsson

2007\10\30@154020 by Dario Greggio

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James Newton wrote:

> There is an effect that I'm seeing that would be a concern: As I resize IE7,
> the headboard, pillows, etc... will randomly jump down to below and the left
> of the left hand bedpost / curtain area and if I happen to stop resizing at
> that point, it actually stays down there.
>
> Does anyone else see that?

Yep, it happens here with IE6 / win2000.

All is ok with Netscape.

I used to have the same issue in other pages. Positioning (especially
relative, IIRC) has to be treated differently on the 2 browsers... sadly.

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Ciao, Dario

2007\10\30@164539 by Brendan Gillatt

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Morgan Olsson wrote:
> Den 2007-10-30 18:15:40 skrev James Newton <EraseMEjamesnewtonspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTmassmind.org>:
>
>> www.brendangillatt.co.uk/code/james-newton/james-css.html
>
> FWIW that page looks the same in Konqueror, Opera, and Firefox, and rezising works.
> http://validator.w3.org/ reports some errors though.
>
> /the curiuous...

It was just a tryout ;] Those would be fixed if I wrapped the images in
<p> tags.

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Brendan Gillatt
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2007\10\31@154819 by Barry Gershenfeld

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At 11:24 PM 10/27/07 -0700, James Newton wrote:

>My #1 pet peve is slow loading web sites; I know I only have a few seconds
>to capture my audience. and of course anything with graphics is going to
>load slow, at least the first page.

Images are not what slows down the loading of a page.  It's javascript,
java, css, flash movies, cascading menu buttons built from 320 individual
clips, and embedded "content" that has to connect to adserver.com.   (My
opinion, humble or not)

I still do things the old fashioned way.  I suspect that CSS is a macro-ish
way of abbreviating the things you have to repeatedly put in the page
itself, but no one ever explains it.  They always say, "If you put in this,
like this, you get this..."

At 02:47 PM 10/30/07 +0000, Brendan Gillatt wrote:
>It's
>definitely worth the time learning CSS - it's invaluable. A big part of
>CSS is simply trying things out and seeing what works well.

Well, I see that some things will be the same if I ever start using it.  :-)

Barry



'[BUY] web site graphics work'
2007\11\13@001206 by James Newton
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Ok, so thanks to some very kind help from Brendan Gillatt, and Dario Greggio
I've got a fair start on my new web project:

http://www.massmind.org/images/wc2/index.htm

The to-do list contains a number of items that I really need help with:

- Figure out a way to get the text headings to display OVER the pillows.

- Finish cleaning up the pillow transparency or replace

- Find a way to make a quilt texture that is horizontal, rather than tipped
at an angle.

- Darker and squarer wood headboard and find a way to "carve" lettering into
it. POV?

- More realistic posts.

I'm perfectly willing to pay for help, but so far everyone has just donated
or said that they are too busy. I've tried two different "post your request
and we will bid on it sites" and the responses have been so totally and
amazingly lame that I loose hope. Apparently, everyone in the world
seriously believes that web sites must be a fixed width and that everyone
already has flash installed. My server logs beg to differ.

The most competent help I've been able to find has been right here on the
piclist... Amazing huh?

I really want to be done with this before Christmas.

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James

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2007\11\13@051136 by Dario Greggio

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James Newton wrote:

> Ok, so thanks to some very kind help from Brendan Gillatt, and Dario Greggio
> I've got a fair start on my new web project:
> http://www.massmind.org/images/wc2/index.htm

Wow James, this sounds good! Result achieved, I'd say.

> The to-do list contains a number of items that I really need help with:
> - Figure out a way to get the text headings to display OVER the pillows.

A position style should do that... I do have it in my page.

> - Finish cleaning up the pillow transparency or replace

yeah, PaintShop :)

> - Find a way to make a quilt texture that is horizontal, rather than tipped
> at an angle.

Hmmm, I'm not getting you here...

> - Darker and squarer wood headboard and find a way to "carve" lettering into
> it. POV?

...neither here

> - More realistic posts.

ok

> I'm perfectly willing to pay for help, but so far everyone has just donated
> or said that they are too busy. I've tried two different "post your request
> and we will bid on it sites" and the responses have been so totally and
> amazingly lame that I loose hope. Apparently, everyone in the world
> seriously believes that web sites must be a fixed width and that everyone
> already has flash installed. My server logs beg to differ.

I'm sorry I could not help more those 2 weeks ago, I still have your
previous version, and the next one, saved on my desktop.
I'm available to help you, and would also be more than happy to exchange
my help with 2 GSM modules I need for testing :-))

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Ciao, Dario

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