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2010\12\01@183613 by Vitaliy

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If you know any web developers in Phoenix, please pass this on:

http://tinyurl.com/37u92ck



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Short summary:


Job Description

ScanTool.net LLC is an internet-based company (f. 2002), and a leading manufacturer
of on-board diagnostics (OBD) products for the consumer and industrial markets.
We are looking for a web developer for a temporary (3-6 months) on-site contract
assignment. The ideal candidate is an intellingent, self-motivated perfectionist
who takes the time to understand the requirements, doesn't mind working alone,
and takes pride in their work.


Required knowledge, skills, and experience

Highly proficient in PHP, MySQL, and HTML/CSS/JavaScript
Experience working with complex databases
Django experience a big plus
Magento experience, although optional, is a huge plus

2010\12\02@090400 by Olin Lathrop

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Vitaliy wrote:
> The ideal candidate is an intellingent, self-motivated
> perfectionist
> who takes the time to understand the requirements, doesn't mind
> working alone,
> and takes pride in their work.

How many people do you really think will weed themselves out because they
believe they are dumb, need to be told everything to do, sloppy, like to
skip over docs and start banging out code, like to work in a zoo, or don't
give a crap?


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2010\12\02@092734 by Kerry Wentworth

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How many people do you really think college will weed out because they
are dumb, need to be told everything to do, sloppy, like to
skip over docs and start banging out code, like to work in a zoo, or don't
give a crap?

Kerry


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2010\12\02@114334 by Vitaliy

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Olin Lathrop wrote:
>> The ideal candidate is an intellingent, self-motivated
>> perfectionist
>> who takes the time to understand the requirements, doesn't mind
>> working alone,
>> and takes pride in their work.
>
> How many people do you really think will weed themselves out because they
> believe they are dumb, need to be told everything to do, sloppy, like to
> skip over docs and start banging out code, like to work in a zoo, or don't
> give a crap?

I think we'll never know the answer to that question; if they weed themselves out, we'll never hear from them, right?

2010\12\02@133236 by RussellMc

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>>> The ideal candidate is an intellingent, self-motivated ...

>> How many people do you really think will weed themselves out because they ...

> I think we'll never know the answer to that question; if they weed ...

This should be an interesting exchange :-).

I'd be more concerned about the wisdom of wanting to employ a perfectionist..



2010\12\02@135327 by Olin Lathrop

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Vitaliy wrote:
>> How many people do you really think will weed themselves out because
>> they believe they are dumb, need to be told everything to do,
>> sloppy, like to skip over docs and start banging out code, like to
>> work in a zoo, or don't give a crap?
>
> I think we'll never know the answer to that question; if they weed
> themselves out, we'll never hear from them, right?

Actually you can answer the question if you read it carefully.  My point
however was that very few are going to think to themselves "Nah, I don't
care about my work quality, so this job's obviously not for me".  In other
words, your extra qualifier is content free and pointless as it currently
stands.


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2010\12\02@143254 by Vitaliy

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Olin Lathrop wrote:
>>> How many people do you really think will weed themselves out because
>>> they believe they are dumb, need to be told everything to do,
>>> sloppy, like to skip over docs and start banging out code, like to
>>> work in a zoo, or don't give a crap?
>>
>> I think we'll never know the answer to that question; if they weed
>> themselves out, we'll never hear from them, right?
>
> Actually you can answer the question if you read it carefully.  My point
> however was that very few are going to think to themselves "Nah, I don't
> care about my work quality, so this job's obviously not for me".  In other
> words, your extra qualifier is content free and pointless as it currently
> stands.

Humor aside, the "extra qualifier" is there not to *weed* the wrong people out (although we can't completely rule out the possibility) but to *attract* the right kind. AFAICT it works, because several co-workers told me that they applied to the posting because it "was the right fit" and therefore "stood out". People make certain inferences, for example about the company culture and the likely traits of people they will be working with.


Russell quipped:
> I'd be more concerned about the wisdom of wanting to employ a
> perfectionist.

Experience shows that few people suffer from excessive perfectionism. :-)

I'm not a perfectionist by nature; my desk is often a mess, and there is another engineer who prefers to increase the work surface area (going as far as adding a shelf, and putting stuff on top of empty boxes) rather than spend the time organizing his desk. The guy who works next to him is a neat freak: his desk is always in perfect order, and all of his tools bear a label with his name.

However, both have to be perfectionists when it comes to their work.

Vitaliy

2010\12\02@145455 by Bob Blick

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On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 12:32:42 -0700, "Vitaliy" said:

> Humor aside, the "extra qualifier" is there not to *weed* the wrong
> people
> out (although we can't completely rule out the possibility) but to
> *attract*
> the right kind. AFAICT it works, because several co-workers told me that
> they applied to the posting because it "was the right fit" and therefore
> "stood out". People make certain inferences, for example about the
> company
> culture and the likely traits of people they will be working with.

Not only that, it helps to tell people what you want, and the relative
importance of quality.
It is an aid in selecting what examples of their work to show you, or
when describing past experience, a facet of a project they made a
particular decision on, etc.

Writing a good job ad is not easy, and I think yours was quite well
done.

Bob

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2010\12\02@145637 by Dr Skip

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Too much binary thinking on the list...
You are right. People aren't going to evaluate based on the inverse of
the individual qualities, but rather compare the whole against a self
image. It should be obvious what "self-motivated" means in this context,
as well as the other attributes. There are plenty of people who are
motivated well enough to get up and go to work, are happy with that,
would not call themselves lazy, but also wouldn't describe themselves
"self-motivated", except perhaps relative to beer and the fridge...
I suspect that if you can't argue that you're self motivated to
yourself, lazy tag not even considered, you won't fit.

The description gave me a very good feel for the priorities and culture
of the place, and what they wanted. If I were looking, the next step
would be a self evaluation in that context. Well done.

-Skip


On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 12:32 -0700, Vitaliy wrote:

> Humor aside, the "extra qualifier" is there not to *weed* the wrong people
> out (although we can't completely rule out the possibility) but to *attract*
> the right kind. AFAICT it works, because several co-workers told me that
> they applied to the posting because it "was the right fit" and therefore
> "stood out". People make certain inferences, for example about the company
> culture and the likely traits of people they will be working with.

2010\12\03@075201 by cdb

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:: The description gave me a very good feel for the priorities and
:: culture
:: of the place, and what they wanted.

Ditto.

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2010\12\03@124857 by PICdude

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I put statements like this in job postings as well, but not so much to  filter out personalities, but to hold people accountable later should  the need arise.

FWIW, I've noticed with job postings that the responses vary by  culture.  In Austin, TX, people are more self-filtering, but in S.  Florida everyone claims to do everything, and will fumble being able  to even know what most of the words on a job posting means.  They  didn't even bother to google the words/acronyms, but then they'll try  to convince me in the middle of an interview that they can learn  really quick.  Ugh! :(

Cheers,
-Neil.



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