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2003\06\24@033327 by Iain Duncan

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Hi folks, I have scoured the net and had no luck finding anywhere in Canada
that sells cheap assembled programmers. Any advice would be much
appreciated. Feedback on the best places to buy chips in Canada would be
great too so as to avoid annoying duty and border delays.

Thanks,
Iain Duncan

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2003\06\24@115848 by Herbert Graf

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> Hi folks, I have scoured the net and had no luck finding anywhere
> in Canada
> that sells cheap assembled programmers. Any advice would be much
> appreciated. Feedback on the best places to buy chips in Canada would be
> great too so as to avoid annoying duty and border delays.

       Can't help with the programmers but for parts you can't really beat Digikey
(unless you've got a local store you can go to), they are an American
company but have a subset in Canada so that parts you order don't have to
cross the border before they get to you (they have a warehouse in Canada
IIRC). Parts arrival is usually 24 hours, sometimes less (I've seen parts
ordered at 3pm one day array in the morning of the next day, amazing). TTYL

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2003\06\24@121649 by

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Must have been the "high speed" variant of them...

:-)

Jan-Erik.

Herbert Graf wrote (about Digikey in Canada):

> Parts arrival is usually 24 hours, sometimes less (I've seen parts
> ordered at 3pm one day array in the morning of the next day, amazing).

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2003\06\24@130236 by Herbert Graf

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       I don't know, never heard of "high speed" resistors! :) It was their
"variety pack" of resistors, thousands of resistors of various values, had
to restock a lab... TTYL

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2003\06\24@131105 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 11:57 AM 6/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>         Can't help with the programmers but for parts you can't really
> beat Digikey
>(unless you've got a local store you can go to), they are an American
>company but have a subset in Canada so that parts you order don't have to
>cross the border before they get to you (they have a warehouse in Canada
>IIRC). Parts arrival is usually 24 hours, sometimes less (I've seen parts
>ordered at 3pm one day array in the morning of the next day, amazing). TTYL

No warehouse in Canada, AFAIK. They just ship reaaaally fast out of Thief
River Falls and have some kind of deal with Purolator, probably to bulk
preclear the shipments electronically and distribute them.

Orders in by 9:00 PM (!) Eastern time arrive at our door in Toronto the next
morning, 90% plus of the time, for a flat C$8 (over $32 or something in total
order, which is never a problem).

Prices are high however, it often costs $300 to get parts for a couple
pieces of something (with spares, minimum quantity for cut tape etc.) that
will sell for $100. each.

Best regards,

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2003\06\24@140308 by Picdude

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On Tuesday 24 June 2003 12:02, Herbert Graf scribbled:
>         I don't know, never heard of "high speed" resistors! :)

Uh-oh -- now I bet next you'll say that you didn't know that resistors are really "semi"conductors.  :-)

Cheers,
-Neil.

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2003\06\24@140517 by Marc Nicholas

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On 24/6/03 13:13, "Spehro Pefhany" <RemoveMEspeffTakeThisOuTspamINTERLOG.COM> wrote:

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Spehro is right (is he ever wrong?! :-) )...they have a trans-border
distribution setup, similar to what Amazon do. Even their UK operation is
"virtual".

I do find Digikey expensive, but there's a convenience factor with
them...although I do actually go to a local electronics shop about once a
week and always seem to buy something there.


-marc

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2003\06\24@150322 by Dale Botkin

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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Marc Nicholas wrote:

> I do find Digikey expensive, but there's a convenience factor with
> them...although I do actually go to a local electronics shop about once a
> week and always seem to buy something there.

I have found myself ordering more from Mouser lately than I ever did
before.  I still love Digi-Key's excellent search engine.  Mouser's search
sucks, BUT they have a web "project manager" that's very handy especially
once you have their print catalog to find stuff quickly.

Biggest plus for Mouser: No small-order charge.  Shipping is pretty quick,
and they will ship any way from First Class mail to Fedx P1.  Biggest
minus: Some prices are higher (though some are WAY lower), and the
abovementioned parts search engine.

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2003\06\24@153941 by Picdude

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On Tuesday 24 June 2003 14:03, Dale Botkin scribbled:
> I have found myself ordering more from Mouser lately than I ever did
> before.  I still love Digi-Key's excellent search engine.  Mouser's search
> sucks, BUT they have a web "project manager" that's very handy especially
> once you have their print catalog to find stuff quickly.

Ditto on everything you said here.  Digikey gets a lot of my business since I can select parts during design phase by searching based on parameters/properties across many manufacturers, and usually I'll just order from them due to single-source and my orders are usually small.  But I have used mouser more and more lately.

Mouser said that they do have a better search engine coming out soon... within a couple months IIRC.


> Biggest plus for Mouser: No small-order charge.  Shipping is pretty quick,
> and they will ship any way from First Class mail to Fedx P1.  Biggest
> minus: Some prices are higher (though some are WAY lower), and the
> abovementioned parts search engine.

The PICs I use are generally lower-cost at Digikey, and they seem to have a better selection of these.

Cheers,
-Neil.

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2003\06\24@160652 by Dwayne Reid

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At 12:22 AM 6/24/03 -0800, Iain Duncan wrote:
>Hi folks, I have scoured the net and had no luck finding anywhere in Canada
>that sells cheap assembled programmers. Any advice would be much
>appreciated. Feedback on the best places to buy chips in Canada would be
>great too so as to avoid annoying duty and border delays.

Arrow Electronics  <http://www.arrow.com/>
Active Components  <http://www.future-active.com/>
Future Electronics <http://www.future.ca/>
HVW Technologies   <http://www.hvwtech.com/>

There are plenty others but this should get you started.

dwayne

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2003\06\24@170138 by Marc Nicholas

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Good point...the Mouser project manager is quite useful!

I've also recently ordered some parts from Electrosonic in Toronto...they
seem to have some more specialized components. I think their website
http://www.e-sonic.com (it's where someone referred me to get a Honeywell humidity
sensor).


-marc

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2003\06\24@172310 by William Bross

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While I've been ordering from Mouser since 1979 without incident, I've
recently been blasted by them. On a crucial web order, when I didn't
receive an email confirmation in 2 days I called them.  They said that
the order was printed out in the office but was not entered into their
picking system by their operator.  So much for automated quick delivery.
I'm a lot more attentive to whether they confirm the order now.  Still
can't beat them or Digi-key on delivery (usually).

Bill



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2003\06\24@173730 by Marc Nicholas
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Yes, one order mistake in ~25 years unacceptable! ;-)


-marc

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2003\06\24@184006 by William Chops Westfield

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   Prices are high however, it often costs $300 to get parts for a couple
   pieces of something (with spares, minimum quantity for cut tape etc.)
   that will sell for $100. each.

I've noticed that digikey sometimes has a SIGNIFICANT price break between
their "ones" price and the next tier upward (usually 25.)  It's not always
that their single-unit price is BAD, for a hobbyist source, it just looks
like they're charging as much as they can get away with for providing that
sort of service.  Which is reasonably OK, IMO...  Case in point is the
PIC12f675, which drops from $2.08 to $1.29 when going from 1 to 25 units,
and only to $1.25 at 100 units...

BillW

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2003\06\26@021604 by Charles Craft

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I think this is where some of the stuff on eBay comes from.
People order extra to get the price break and then recoup their money selling the extras online.

PIC18F252-I/SP: piece price of $8.48 or 25 for $130.75

Selling 20 of them @ $7.00 on eBay nets $140 which covers the chip costs and shipping leaving 5 units at $0.00 for the buyer.
And people that just want a few get a better price than going through DigiKey themselves.

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2003\06\26@163748 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> Hi folks, I have scoured the net and had no luck finding
> anywhere in Canada
> that sells cheap assembled programmers.

I have sold quite a few assembled Wisp628's to a canadian customer. IIRC
he used a PC with one or two 32-line serial cards to make a 'massively
parallel' ICSP programmer for an asian factory.

Wouter van Ooijen

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