Post by thread:[Admin] piclist thread ordering

I think tihs is due to a number of reasons: #1 e-mails get their timestamp when you hit the send button in the e-mail editor, not when you actually send it. So, if you type your responds when you recive your e-mail but doesn't actually send it till you check for e-mail next time then your timestamp will be different from the time the server gets the e-mail. #2 Timezones. This list has got members all over the world, so the time will be set different around the world. #3 People don't set their computerclock Regards Stein Sem-Jacobsen Norway > I've looked at some of the threads on the piclist "website", > and noticed lots of times individual responses are very much > out of order, by as much as 2-3 days. So, if you follow down > thru a thread by clicking on "next in thread", you often go > all over the place. Am wondering why this is so ???????

Stein Sem-Jacobsen wrote: > #1 e-mails get their timestamp when you hit the send button in the > e-mail editor, not when you actually send it. Which is exactly as it should be. Everyone understands, or should, that not everyone received each reply at the same time and so some replies *will* be made even though another reply, not presently visible to the first respondent, has already covered the territory. > #2 Timezones. This list has got members all over the world, so the > time will be set different around the world. Does not apply. The time your browser indicates to you has been corrected to your own timezone; same should apply to the archive. The message itself states the local time, *and* in which timezone that was. > #3 People don't set their computerclock *And* timezone. There's no answer to that one! -- Cheers, Paul B.

Well, I know about timezones and datelines and clock settings [mine is correct, BTW], but if you look at the following list you'll see that somehow Paul Webster got his sunday posting into the list above my own thursday posting, etc/etc. And, I realize rank and education does have its privileges [and that matters of privilege are taken *very* seriously troughout the former British empire - and not that I am complaining about this state of affairs], but still I was just wondering. Maybe it's just *my* postings that are out of line [karma?]. ================= [OT] TRANSPUTERS WF (Thu Apr 27 2000 - 10:06:54 PDT) ðRe: [OT] TRANSPUTERS M. Adam Davis (Thu Apr 27 2000 - 11:35:09 PDT) ðRe: [OT] TRANSPUTERS WF (Thu Apr 27 2000 - 11:34:29 PDT) ðRe: [OT] TRANSPUTERS Dan Michaels (Thu Apr 27 2000 - 12:46:51 PDT) ðRe: [OT] TRANSPUTERS M. Adam Davis (Thu Apr 27 2000 - 13:04:43 PDT) ðRe: [OT] TRANSPUTERS WF (Thu Apr 27 2000 - 15:04:20 PDT) ðRe: [OT] TRANSPUTERS Wagner Lipnharski (Thu Apr 27 2000 - 19:12:42 PDT) ðRe: [OT] TRANSPUTERS WF (Fri Apr 28 2000 - 09:19:29 PDT) ðRe: [OT] TRANSPUTERS M. Adam Davis (Fri Apr 28 2000 - 10:04:35 PDT) ðRe: [OT] TRANSPUTERS WF (Fri Apr 28 2000 - 10:06:36 PDT) ðRe: [OT] TRANSPUTERS Paul B. Webster VK2BZC (Sun Apr 30 2000 - 01:55:40 PDT) ðRe: [OT] TRANSPUTERS Dan Michaels (Thu Apr 27 2000 - 23:19:10 PDT) ðRe: [OT] TRANSPUTERS WF (Fri Apr 28 2000 - 09:29:31 PDT) ðRe: [OT] TRANSPUTERS Alan B Pearce (Fri Apr 28 2000 - 00:50:19 PDT) ðRe: [OT] TRANSPUTERS Dan Michaels (Fri Apr 28 2000 - 07:50:33 PDT) ðRe: [OT] PIC names..wasTRANSPUTERS Lance Allen (Sun Apr 30 2000 - 15:45:02 PDT) ðRe: [OT] PIC names..wasTRANSPUTERS Dan Michaels (Sun Apr 30 2000 - 16:25:20 PDT) ðRe: [OT] TRANSPUTERS Dipperstein, Michael (Fri Apr 28 2000 - 09:42:26 PDT) ðRe: [OT] TRANSPUTERS Alan B Pearce (Fri Apr 28 2000 - 09:51:06 PDT) ðRe: [OT] TRANSPUTERS Dan Michaels (Fri Apr 28 2000 - 10:20:52 PDT)

On Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 05:39:11PM -0600, Dan Michaels wrote: > Well, I know about timezones and datelines and clock settings > [mine is correct, BTW], but if you look at the following list > you'll see that somehow Paul Webster got his sunday posting into > the list above my own thursday posting, etc/etc. > > And, I realize rank and education does have its privileges [and > that matters of privilege are taken *very* seriously troughout > the former British empire - and not that I am complaining about > this state of affairs], but still I was just wondering. > > Maybe it's just *my* postings that are out of line [karma?]. Nope. What you are seeing is the effect of "threading". Unfortunately, the way the archive presents its lists, the threads are not very clear. However, perhaps I can make it clear through the following: [WARNING - view this with a fixed-width font, or it probably ] [ won't make the least bit of sense. ] 2706 04/27 WF (0.8K) [PICLIST] [OT] TRANSPUTERS | 2707 04/27 M. Adam Davis (1.2K) |-> | | 2708 04/27 WF (1.5K) | |-> | 2709 04/27 Dan Michaels (0.7K) |*> | | 2710 04/27 M. Adam Davis (0.2K) | |-> | | 2711 04/27 WF (0.9K) | |-> | 2712 04/27 Wagner Lipnhars (1.8K) |-> | | 2713 04/28 WF (2.8K) | |-> | | 2714 04/28 M. Adam Davis (0.3K) | |-> | | | 2715 04/28 WF (0.5K) | | |-> | | 2716 04/30 Paul B. Webster (0.4K) | |-> | 2717 04/28 Dan Michaels (0.5K) |*> | | 2718 04/28 WF (0.8K) | |-> | 2719 04/28 Alan B Pearce (0.2K) |*> | 2720 04/28 Dan Michaels (0.7K) |*> | | 2721 05/01 Lance Allen (0.6K) | |->Re: [PICLIST] [OT] PIC names..wasTRANSPUTERS | | 2722 04/30 Dan Michaels (0.5K) | |*> | 2723 04/28 Dipperstein, Mi (3.5K) |*> | 2724 04/28 Alan B Pearce (0.1K) |*> | 2725 04/28 Dan Michaels (1.2K) |*> What I've done here is (try to, anyway) reproduce the way that the thread goes together. When a threading mail client sorts out a batch of messages by thread it will look not only at what the message's time stamp is, it will also look at what message, if any, it is *replying* to. Some email programs show this in a graphical format - the one I use does. And what I tried to reproduce here is an ASCII art picture of the way that the thread runs. This is actually nothing more than a slightly modified copy-and-paste out of the email client that I use. And so, as you can see the reason that Paul Webster's message came before yours was simply the result of the threading, and not anything mysterious or karmic. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" ICQ# 12934898 | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E | Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.

Mike Werner wrote: .......... >What I've done here is (try to, anyway) reproduce the way that >the thread goes together. When a threading mail client sorts >out a batch of messages by thread it will look not only at what >the message's time stamp is, it will also look at what message, if >any, it is *replying* to. Some email programs show this in a ......... >And so, as you can see the reason that Paul Webster's message >came before yours was simply the result of the threading, and >not anything mysterious or karmic. >-- Thanks mucho grande, Mike, your diagram sorted it all out [no pun intended]. So much for my new theory of the privileged classes. best regards, - Dan Michaels

>Well, I know about timezones and datelines and clock settings >[mine is correct, BTW], but if you look at the following list >you'll see that somehow Paul Webster got his sunday posting into >the list above my own thursday posting, etc/etc. I have even higher precedence than Paul. My postings rate a 2 hour priority over his (along with all other NZ PICListers). The sun may never set on the British Empire but it shines here first :-) Russell McMahon _____________________________ >From other worlds - http://www.easttimor.com http://www.sudan.com What can one man* do? Help the hungry at no cost to yourself! at http://www.thehungersite.com/ (* - or woman, child or internet enabled intelligent entity :-))