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2000\04\20@125249 by William K. Borsum

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<x-flowed>Just curious how these two URL's work??
Don't get a lot of junk mail any more--but what i do get is irritating
beyond belief.  Would sincerely love to return the "favor" and create some
havoc at the other end, or find some sort of filter that catches all of it
on the way in.
Kelly


At 04:55 PM 4/19/00, you wrote:
> >
> > If you want to do the RIGHT THING (IMHO) use
> > http://www.spamcop.net
> >   or
> > http://www.samspade.com
> >  to automatically report him to everyone from his ISP to the blacklist
> orgs.

William K. Borsum, P.E. -- OEM Dataloggers and Instrumentation Systems
<spam_OUTborsumTakeThisOuTspamdascor.com> & <http://www.dascor.com>San Diego, California, USA

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2000\04\20@132023 by Mark Willis

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I use samspade in manual mode - he does have a Win32 app there but I
haven't used it so cannot comment;  Steve (who runs SamSpade) would know
<G>  He's a good guy, will usually answer questions in fairly short
times.

For manual mode, you look up the headers, need to use Verbose headers
mode for that - find the IP addresses (starting hunting from the top
down for all non-AOL users - I'm told AOL does headers differently.  You
go downwards until you find a huge discrepancy, or, reach the end of the
Received-from lines.)  Enter the IP addresses, in turn, into the
"WhoIs/TraceRoute" dialog box - I click all 3 dialog boxes and then hit
"Go" (Doing all this from memory, it's pretty simple.)  You then send a
complaint letter to the Spammers' ISP and DNS server holders, and in
some cases their ISP's ISP (I can help off-list better on how to do
this.)  You also do the same with the SPAMmers' web pages, complaining
to the DNS servers and web page ISP and their ISP, and to anything you
can find on their web page - use the safe browser on Sam Spade or on
Anonymizer.Com, if some joker's using a Merchant CC account you DO want
to bug the provider of that account so they'll likely be shut off from
being able to make money.

If you send me headers you're stuck on, I'll help, or you can join any
of a number of Anti-Spammer training web pages (FREE, CAUCE, etc.) and
e-mail lists, and there're certainly other people on the list who know
how to track SPAMmers.  Takes about 5 minutes to write a "LART" once you
get the hang of it - The first ones won't be THAT fast, of course.  And
there are tricks etc., like SMI8.6 relays that destroy all
trace-ability, so all you can do there is ask the relay's owner to close
their relay - You will have to learn more than I've written here,
obviously.  It's good knowledge to put on your Resume' - "I can read
e-mail headers" <G>

 Mark

William K. Borsum wrote:
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2000\04\22@204754 by Mark Newland

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www.samspade.com isn't working for me

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2000\04\22@210905 by Mark Willis

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Quite true - I've been trying to reach Steve (who runs the site) about
that, as I have another 10pins.com SPAM to LART;  I didn't get to
posting to the list about it yet.  While his site usually works quite
well, right now it's quite DOA (I get 97 bytes and it hangs, error
messages, or some other unusual, "bad" result.)  Give it a day, Steve
will fix it.  I've e-mailed him from 2 different e-mail accounts so he
should know soon if not already (I'll post to a mutual friend shortly if
no reply from him.)  Could just be us Seattle-area PICsters that're
having problems.

 Mark

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2000\04\22@234137 by James Michael Newton

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spamcop is a more commercial and more stable service which is why I use it.
Mark uses samspade and will undoubtedly have more information on the outage.
Either will get the job done.

James Newton, PICList Admin #3
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1-619-652-0593 phone
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2000\04\23@070244 by Martin G. McCormick

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       We've got a problem, all right.  I tried the address of

http://www.samspade.com

from North Central Oklahoma and the error that I got was simply that
the domain name system couldn't find any host by that name,
specifically http://www.samspade.com.  I then used whois to find out about
the domain of samspade.com and did find a record in the San Francisco
area.  It lists domain name servers for his domain so I did a nslookup
for http://www.samspade.com through rome.netjet.com which is his primary
domain name server.  That's basically going to the horse's mouth for
the information.  I got:

Server:  rome.netjet.com
Address:  209.24.233.242

*** rome.netjet.com can't find http://www.samspade.com: Non-existent host/domain

       This means that, for some reason, the records that might point
us to the site in question are not in the name server that is
officially mapped as being authoritative for samspade.com.  There are
lots of reasons why this might have happened, but that would just be
pure speculation.  That, however, is why you can't get to the site.

       This, by the way, is my day job so I never thought what I do
for OSU would have much value on the PIC list, but I am responsible
for running our domain name servers and am familiar with this kind of
problem.:-)

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK
OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Data Communications Group
Mark Willis writes:
>Quite true - I've been trying to reach Steve (who runs the site) about
>that, as I have another 10pins.com SPAM to LART;  I didn't get to
>posting to the list about it yet.  While his site usually works quite
>well, right now it's quite DOA (I get 97 bytes and it hangs, error
>messages, or some other unusual, "bad" result.)  Give it a day, Steve
>will fix it.

2000\04\23@114808 by Mark Willis

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Try http://samspade.org/, that's working from here, right now.

I don't think Steve supports the www prefix, you could bug him but I
just use the samspade.org address, myself.

The best solution for this sort of situation usually is to try the root
name (as in just using samspade.org) without the bottom level domain
name (i.e. www) - sometimes someone has a main server named
web.domain.tld, or something like that;  www is "usually" what's used
but not the only possibility.

(tld stands for "top level domain", fwiw.)

 Mark

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