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'[Ad] - WIZ C PIC Compiler Professional,free and fu'
2008\04\15@172319 by Robin Abbott

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WIZ-C Professional version 15 is now available in both free and full
capability versions.

WIZ-C professional is a PIC ANSI C compiler with RAD front end and is
available free of charge for programs up to 2K words in size. The price of
the full version was been reduced to 50 UK pounds - $100.00 last November
and the upgrade price for previous customers is $30.00. Full details from
here :

       http://www.fored.co.uk/html/wiz_c_-__pic_c_compiler.HTM

For any queries please contact us at :

       spam_OUTinfoTakeThisOuTspamfored.co.uk


Amongst other improvements are :

New processors added across the range
Usability enhancements to Application Wizard
New project wizard
New elements
Handles new 18F series fuse model
Various Bug fixes



Robin Abbott


Forest Electronics - The home of the WIZ-C PIC C compiler

http://www.fored.co.uk

07801 718136 (+44 7801 718136)


2008\04\15@175449 by PAUL James

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Bob,

This probably isn't what you want to hear, but I still contend that
HLL's for PIC's aren't the great thing
they're cracked up to be.  I use Assembly most of the time.  However,
once in a while, I get a contract that
requires an HLL such as C or BASIC.  I can, and do, use these two
languages occasionally, but I don't use them
if I don't have to.  And even when I do use them, I don't much like it.
However, that's just me.  I have
nothing against anyone who wants to use an HLL once in a while, or even
all the time for that matter.  

With all of that said, I have tried several C's and BASIC's over the
years (about 17 years or so with PIC's),
And I tend to like the Mikroelektronika C and BASIC.  They support
virtually every function that the others
Do, plus you can use libraries written in the other languages published
by them in your projects.
I haven't purchased one of them yet because the demo has been all I need
so far.  But if I buy another HLL for the PIC's, it will be this
company's products.  They have a good price, good support, and frequent
updates.

All in all, a good value for the money from where I stand.  

As an aside, I can't figure out how you can buy one compiler for
$800.00+ dollars and another for less than $200.00, And they both work
equally well, or the lower cost one is better in some respects.
I don't worry too much about this though since I don't really use HLL's
anyway.  It was just a thought I had
While compiling this response.


Have fun deciding which compiler to go with.  There are so many now that
it boggles the mind.


Regards,   Jim




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2008\04\15@183246 by Bob Axtell

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PAUL James wrote:
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Like you, I like MPASM. but I have no choice. I am slowly fading out of
the game, and the youngsters
that are coming along don't like MPASM much, they like C. I expect to
retire within 2 years and I'm
preparing for it.

I own MicroPascal personally, which I like a lot. I have also bought
Sergio Masci's XCVB, a slightly more
formal Basic. All I need now is a seat or two of 'C'. I'd get
Microchip's C18 except people tell me that it
generates a lot of code words for small projects...

I think the pricing strategy is dependent on the company. High-price
software tends to be copied a lot;
lower-cost software tends to be proper licensed. I'd guess that it is a
wash. I have bought high-cost
software and low-cost software, and the lower-cost software always
provides more support, go figure.

Personally, I have no problem buying a license as long as the licensor
is legitimate and  their license agreement
is reasonable. Frankly,  Microchip is such a corrupt company that I  
consider them closely allied with the devil,
and in times past I used a few $M products without registering, but
today, I avoid them completely if possible,
because they attract viruses.

--Bob Axtell

2008\04\15@201328 by Rikard Bosnjakovic

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On 16/04/2008, Bob Axtell <.....engineerKILLspamspam@spam@cotse.net> wrote:

> Frankly,  Microchip is such a corrupt company that I
>  consider them closely allied with the devil,
>  and in times past I used a few $M products without registering, but
>  today, I avoid them completely if possible,
>  because they attract viruses.

Are you sure you don't mean Microsoft?


--
- Rikard - http://bos.hack.org/cv/

2008\04\16@090953 by Bob Axtell

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Rikard Bosnjakovic wrote:
> On 16/04/2008, Bob Axtell <engineerspamKILLspamcotse.net> wrote:
>
>  
>> Frankly,  Microchip is such a corrupt company that I
>>  consider them closely allied with the devil,
>>  and in times past I used a few $M products without registering, but
>>  today, I avoid them completely if possible,
>>  because they attract viruses.
>>    
>
> Are you sure you don't mean Microsoft?
>
>
>  
Microsoft, of course.

--BA

2008\04\16@120018 by John Ferrell

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I am revisiting MikroPascal (v7.0) using an older (easyPic2) development
board of theirs.

I bought the compiler and board several years ago but set it aside for
another project. The upgrade to the latest version was included in the
original price so nothing soured during the down time.

It does have a few warts and there are a few things I would like to see
added.

However, Their IDE is as good or better than any other than I have used. The
ability to build, burn and test in seconds using their Development board is
a lot easier on my patience than using the Pic Start plus and a breadboard.
Duplicating the hardware for the final project is not hard since the
Development board is well documented.

There is only one of me and the budget comes out of my pocket. Until I find
something I want to do that it will not do I am a happy customer!

John Ferrell    W8CCW

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing." -- Edmund Burke
http://DixieNC.US

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2008\04\16@121609 by Bob Axtell

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John Ferrell wrote:
> I am revisiting MikroPascal (v7.0) using an older (easyPic2) development
> board of theirs.
>
> I bought the compiler and board several years ago but set it aside for
> another project. The upgrade to the latest version was included in the
> original price so nothing soured during the down time.
>
> It does have a few warts and there are a few things I would like to see
> added.
>
> However, Their IDE is as good or better than any other than I have used. The
> ability to build, burn and test in seconds using their Development board is
> a lot easier on my patience than using the Pic Start plus and a breadboard.
> Duplicating the hardware for the final project is not hard since the
> Development board is well documented.
>  
I completely agree.

--Bob A

2008\04\16@151246 by Robin Abbott

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Happy to discuss in detail off list if you like - email is
.....robin.abbottKILLspamspam.....fored.co.uk

Robin Abbott



Forest Electronics - The home of the WIZ-C PIC C compiler

http://www.fored.co.uk

07801 718136 (+44 7801 718136)


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2008\04\16@154050 by Bob Axtell

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Probably will do so soon, Robin. bad week so far.

--Bob A

Robin Abbott wrote:
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2008\04\24@085409 by alan smith

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I tend to agree....some things just beg to be done at a HLL.  Graphical displays and higher level communcation protocols are two that come to mind.  I can't see doing large bit mapped using ASM....or.....are there some doing that now?

PAUL James <James.Paulspamspam_OUTcolibrys.com> wrote:  
Bob,

This probably isn't what you want to hear, but I still contend that
HLL's for PIC's aren't the great thing
they're cracked up to be. I use Assembly most of the time. However,
once in a while, I get a contract that
requires an HLL such as C or BASIC. I can, and do, use these two
languages occasionally, but I don't use them
if I don't have to. And even when I do use them, I don't much like it.
However, that's just me. I have
nothing against anyone who wants to use an HLL once in a while, or even
all the time for that matter.

With all of that said, I have tried several C's and BASIC's over the
years (about 17 years or so with PIC's),
And I tend to like the Mikroelektronika C and BASIC. They support
virtually every function that the others
Do, plus you can use libraries written in the other languages published
by them in your projects.
I haven't purchased one of them yet because the demo has been all I need
so far. But if I buy another HLL for the PIC's, it will be this
company's products. They have a good price, good support, and frequent
updates.

All in all, a good value for the money from where I stand.

As an aside, I can't figure out how you can buy one compiler for
$800.00+ dollars and another for less than $200.00, And they both work
equally well, or the lower cost one is better in some respects.
I don't worry too much about this though since I don't really use HLL's
anyway. It was just a thought I had
While compiling this response.


Have fun deciding which compiler to go with. There are so many now that
it boggles the mind.


Regards, Jim




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2008\04\24@101802 by PAUL James

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Alan,

As I stated below, I use Assembly most of the time.  I would say that I
use assembly in 95%+ of the projects I code.  There are very few I use
an HLL for.  And when I do the only reason is that the customer demanded
it.
For anything I do for myself, or anything I do for hire that doesn't
have an HLL demand with it, I do in assembly.  And yes, this includes
LCD programming.  Both character and graphics.  It is sometimes tedious,
but I usually use only 2 or 3 different graphics LCD panels, and have
most of the common routines developed for them over the years, so it
really isn't that much of a problem.  And just in case someone asks, I
probably won't share them unless there is a compelling reason for me to,
because I have spent a lot of time and energy in developing the routines
I use, so I don't want them to get into widespread use right now.  If I
did, then there wouldn't be as much need for my time and expertise.
Sort of like shooting myself in the foot so to speak.

Anyway, to answer your question, yes, there is at least one person I
know of that uses assembly for almost everything he does.  And that
person would be me.  Maybe I'm making more work for myself, but I prefer
assembly language over BASIC, C, and any other HLL for PIC's.  There
just isn't the vast amount of memory in PIC's that a lot of PC's and
other SBC's and uC's/uP's have to make it worthwhile using HLL's.  At
least that's the way I feel.  YMMV.

Regards,   Jim

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'[Ad] - WIZ C PIC Compiler Professional,free and fu'
2008\05\06@203704 by Martin
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I kind of like having an objective linker (mplink) that will let me
include as-written assembly source into my C program - very useful so
far because I started this project in assembly and started using C last
week.
-
Martin

PAUL James wrote:
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