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'[AVR] use a PICKit2 to program AVRs!'
2010\04\08@123048 by Bob Blick

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This is why Microchip is trying to kill the PICKit2 :)

"PK2AVRISP  is software that lets a PICkit2 program AVR microcontrollers
with no hardware or firmware changes. It decodes commands sent to a
virtual serial port that emulates an AVR ISP programmer, and translates
them to Pickit2 commands. It’s compatible with existing AVR development
apps like AVRStudio, AVRDude, and CodeVision AVR."

http://dangerousprototypes.com/2010/04/07/program-your-avr-with-pickit2/

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2010\04\08@133437 by Funny NYPD

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Wow, that's a lot of mindset.
Wouldn't it be wonderful?
Hope more AVR user can enjoy it.

Funny N.
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From: Bob Blick <spam_OUTbobblickTakeThisOuTspamftml.net>
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Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 12:30:47 PM
Subject: [AVR] use a PICKit2 to program AVRs!

This is why Microchip is trying to kill the PICKit2 :)

"PK2AVRISP  is software that lets a PICkit2 program AVR microcontrollers
with no hardware or firmware changes. It decodes commands sent to a
virtual serial port that emulates an AVR ISP programmer, and translates
them to Pickit2 commands. It’s compatible with existing AVR development
apps like AVRStudio, AVRDude, and CodeVision AVR."

http://dangerousprototypes.com/2010/04/07/program-your-avr-with-pickit2/

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2010\04\08@142908 by William \Chops\ Westfield

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On Apr 8, 2010, at 9:30 AM, Bob Blick wrote:

> This is why Microchip is trying to kill the PICKit2 :)

Why would PICKit3 be any better?  Did they close up the internal  
software?
I mean, the AVR ISP is pretty much SPI; a subset of the capabilities  
needed
for ICSP of PICs...

BillW

2010\04\08@144152 by Mark Rages

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On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Funny NYPD <funnynypdspamKILLspamyahoo.com> wrote:
> Wow, that's a lot of mindset.
> Wouldn't it be wonderful?
> Hope more AVR user can enjoy it.
>

Since pretty much any micro could program pretty much any other micro,
it's interesting that there are not more hybrid systems like this out
there.

I hope they didn't use the original PICkit firmware to do this,
because that violates the license agreement.

The alternative PIC firmware on my webpage is a better starting point
for this kind of project, because it is not descended from Microchip
firmware.  http://vivara.net/blog/?p=55

Remember kids, freedom #0 is the freedom to run the program for any purpose.

Regards,
Mark
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2010\04\08@190546 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:41 AM, Mark Rages <EraseMEmarkragesspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTgmail.com> wrote:

> Since pretty much any micro could program pretty much any other micro,
> it's interesting that there are not more hybrid systems like this out
> there.
>
> I hope they didn't use the original PICkit firmware to do this,
> because that violates the license agreement.

They did not change the firmware. So I am not so sure if
they violates the license agreement or not. Microchip lawyer
will probably say yes.
http://pickit2avrisp.wordpress.com/

   * with no PICKit2 hardware or firmware changes
   * use your favorite AVR programming software compatible
with the AVRISP (serial) programmer

PK2AVRISP
Is an application that simulates the behavior of the AVRISP programmer.
It decodes the AVRISP commands received from the virtual serial port,
translates the commands into PICKit2 commands and send them to
the PICKit2 programmer via USB.

PK2AVRISP acts as a bridge between the AVR programming application
and the PICKit2 programmer, emulating the AVRISP protocol for the
AVR programming app.

> The alternative PIC firmware on my webpage is a better starting point
> for this kind of project, because it is not descended from Microchip
> firmware.  http://vivara.net/blog/?p=55
>
> Remember kids, freedom #0 is the freedom to run the program
> for any purpose.
>



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2010\04\08@191532 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Xiaofan Chen <xiaofancspamspam_OUTgmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:41 AM, Mark Rages <@spam@markragesKILLspamspamgmail.com> wrote:
>> I hope they didn't use the original PICkit firmware to do this,
>> because that violates the license agreement.
>
> They did not change the firmware. So I am not so sure if
> they violates the license agreement or not. Microchip lawyer
> will probably say yes.
> http://pickit2avrisp.wordpress.com/
>
>    * with no PICKit2 hardware or firmware changes
>    * use your favorite AVR programming software compatible
> with the AVRISP (serial) programmer
>

It is also the opinion of previous PICkit 2 developer.
www.microchip.com/forums/fb.aspx?m=491702
"it's strictly against the Microchip license for pk2,
and therefore illegal..."

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2010\04\08@194741 by Chris Roper

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Well I was excited to try it out as I can get hold of a ATMega16 but I
couldn't find an IDE for downloading without registering. My idea was
that as I teach PIC programing, I should have first hand experience of
the closest competition, but didn't want to duplicate my costs.
Being in Africa I have no access to free samples and what costs $40
there costs $1000 here after import duty, markup, taxes and shipping.
If this is illegal it will hurt developing markets, and I for one will
break the law and use it,  if I find a development platform to
download.

2010\04\08@205407 by Funny NYPD

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> costs $40 there costs $1000 here after import duty,

which country are you in? People living there must be rich.

Funny N.
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http://www.AuElectronics.com/products
http://augroups.blogspot.com/




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From: Chris Roper <KILLspamcaroperKILLspamspamgmail.com>
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Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 7:47:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AVR] use a PICKit2 to program AVRs!

Well I was excited to try it out as I can get hold of a ATMega16 but I
couldn't find an IDE for downloading without registering. My idea was
that as I teach PIC programing, I should have first hand experience of
the closest competition, but didn't want to duplicate my costs.
Being in Africa I have no access to free samples and what costs $40
there costs $1000 here after import duty, markup, taxes and shipping.
If this is illegal it will hurt developing markets, and I for one will
break the law and use it,  if I find a development platform to
download.

2010\04\08@215200 by John Samperi

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At 09:47 AM 9/04/2010, you wrote:
>Well I was excited to try it out as I can get hold of a ATMega16 but I
>couldn't find an IDE for downloading without registering.

So what's the big deal? AVR Studio is free and you can lie as much
as you want when you "register".

www.atmel.com/dyn/products/tools_v2.asp?family_id=607#1910
down the page and get AVR Studio 4.18 (build 684)(116 MB, updated 11/09),
then you can also download and install SP1 and SP2.

winAvr (which include ARVDUDE) is also free
http://sourceforge.net/projects/winavr/files/

So now you have a full AVR development system including a C compiler
which is good...for nothing.



Regards

John Samperi

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2010\04\09@020044 by Vitaliy

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Funny NYPD wrote:
>> costs $40 there costs $1000 here after import duty,
>
> which country are you in? People living there must be rich.

He did not specify the currency, it could be $1000 Zimbabwean dollars. :)
And typically people who live in countries that charge large import taxes
are poorer than countries that have small import taxes or don't charge
import duty at all.

2010\04\09@025134 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> It is also the opinion of previous PICkit 2 developer.
> www.microchip.com/forums/fb.aspx?m=491702
> "it's strictly against the Microchip license for pk2,
> and therefore illegal..."

I think that is bollocks, at least in my jurisdiction. There is no
pickit2 license. You don't have to agree on anything to buy it, and the
thing isn't even shrink-wrapped so there can't even be a (legally
questionable) shrink-wrap-license.

It would be against the license of using the (modified) source code, but
as the unmodified pickit2 is used, that does not apply.

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2010\04\09@035015 by Chris Roper

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Vitaliy was right, It was typo, I meant a R1000, South African, which
translates to about US$142, so the more versatile the tool, the better
value it is.

2010\04\09@035711 by Chris Roper

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Thanks for the links John, I was looking for something more obvious
than a listing in the catalog, and thought I would have to give Credit
Card  info to create an account.  will download the Tools and Order
the chip.

On 9 April 2010 03:51, John Samperi <spamBeGonesamperispamBeGonespamampertronics.com.au> wrote:
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2010\04\09@081635 by Funny NYPD

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wow, that's a duty preventing people from importing.

Funny N.
Au Group Electronics, http://www.AuElectronics.com
http://www.AuElectronics.com/products
http://augroups.blogspot.com/




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Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 3:50:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AVR] use a PICKit2 to program AVRs!

Vitaliy was right, It was typo, I meant a R1000, South African, which
translates to about US$142, so the more versatile the tool, the better
value it is.

2010\04\12@043440 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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> Subject: Re: [AVR] use a PICKit2 to program AVRs!
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> So now you have a full AVR development system including a C compiler
> which is good...for nothing.

Not a fan of the GCC compiler for the AVR then?  Any particular gripes?


Mike

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2010\04\12@050124 by John Samperi

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At 06:34 PM 12/04/2010, you wrote:
>Not a fan of the GCC compiler for the AVR then?

Not a fan of C! :-) But I do use winAvr at times as it
it is fully integrated into AVR Studio.

Image Craft has a plug in for Studio also. Unfortunately
they are so busy with the next generation compiler that
they have no time to update their plug in.

Codevision is good as far as price is concerned but a bit
more messing around for debugging as it does not fully
integrate into Studio.

And finally, for the rich, there is IAR.


Regards

John Samperi

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11 Brokenwood Place Baulkham Hills, NSW 2153 AUSTRALIA
Tel. (02) 9674-6495       Fax (02) 9674-8745
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2010\04\12@051341 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:01 PM, John Samperi
<RemoveMEsamperiEraseMEspamEraseMEampertronics.com.au> wrote:
> At 06:34 PM 12/04/2010, you wrote:
>>Not a fan of the GCC compiler for the AVR then?
>
> Not a fan of C! :-) But I do use winAvr at times as
> it is fully integrated into AVR Studio.

The maintainer of WinAVR became Atmel employee
a few years back.

> Image Craft has a plug in for Studio also. Unfortunately
> they are so busy with the next generation compiler that
> they have no time to update their plug in.
>
> Codevision is good as far as price is concerned but a bit
> more messing around for debugging as it does not fully
> integrate into Studio.
>
> And finally, for the rich, there is IAR.

You do not need to be really rich to use IAR. If it is for
work, the cost for the IAR may well be justified. At my
previous job, the IAR compiler was the standard for the
AVR related project (mostly done in Germany, we chose to
use PIC in Singapore). The per hour burden cost of the German
engineers is quite high so the cost of the IAR compiler
is well justified.

For current job, IAR is also the standard for the business
unit I am in (for ARM). It works well. The J-Link debugger
is also nice. It is such a small investment compared to
the total project cost.

But I understand for individual developers or hobbyists,
the cost of IAR may be too high to be justified.


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2010\04\12@051403 by Mike Harrison

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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:01:09 +1000, you wrote:

>At 06:34 PM 12/04/2010, you wrote:
>>Not a fan of the GCC compiler for the AVR then?
>
>Not a fan of C! :-) But I do use winAvr at times as it
>it is fully integrated into AVR Studio.
>
>Image Craft has a plug in for Studio also. Unfortunately
>they are so busy with the next generation compiler that
>they have no time to update their plug in.
>
>Codevision is good as far as price is concerned but a bit
>more messing around for debugging as it does not fully
>integrate into Studio.
>
>And finally, for the rich, there is IAR.

But  they do free code-size-limited kickstart versions for many of their compiler lines - I think
AVR has a 4K limit so pretty useable

2010\04\12@054127 by John Samperi

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At 07:13 PM 12/04/2010, you wrote:
>The maintainer of WinAVR became Atmel employee
>a few years back.

It seems that as of January things have changed as the
January version was the "last" version. It appears that
Atmel has something else up it's sleeves.

Regards

John Samperi

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Tel. (02) 9674-6495       Fax (02) 9674-8745
Website  http://www.ampertronics.com.au
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2010\04\12@075418 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:41 PM, John Samperi
<RemoveMEsamperispam_OUTspamKILLspamampertronics.com.au> wrote:
> At 07:13 PM 12/04/2010, you wrote:
>>The maintainer of WinAVR became Atmel employee
>>a few years back.
>
> It seems that as of January things have changed as the
> January version was the "last" version. It appears that
> Atmel has something else up it's sleeves.
>

I see. Indeed this seems to be the case. On the other
hand, WinAVR is just a nice package of the tools. One
can still update the individual tools.
http://dybkowski.net/download/winavr-user-manual.html

But you must be right. Atmel may wants to bundle
it with AVRstudio or other tools.

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