> I called my rep and figured out that the pricing is right (0.25) and
> the minimum order quantity on PDIP packages is 650, packaged in
> 50/tube. Lead time is 6 weeks.
>
> The minimum on SO package is 665 and lear time is longer than PDIP.
>
> Lets see if this attracts people to do a group buy.
>
> Regards
>
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:19:57 -0700, Bhargava <EraseMEabhargavaspam_OUTTakeThisOuTgmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Let me find out with my rep... anyways if I can't buy those for 25
>>cents I'll go with 37 cents. It will be $6 difference if we buy 50 of
>>them.
>>
>>Lets see how many people will join...
>>
>>Regards.
>>
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> I have never actually used an Atmel device. I figure an 8 pin device
> would be a good place to start, am I right? Do they have a serial
> bootloader builtin or what would I do to program them?
> Thanks.
>
> I believe to actually start a group buy you should come up with a new
> subject line like: "[AVR] ATtiny11 group buy"
>
> You have a numbered list wherein people reply and add their name, email,
> and quantity - eg:
> 1. Martin Klingensmith @spam@martinKILLspamnnytech.net 50
> ..
> When you reach 650 send emails and make sure people are still interested.
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>
>
> Bhargava wrote:
> > I called my rep and figured out that the pricing is right (0.25) and
> > the minimum order quantity on PDIP packages is 650, packaged in
> > 50/tube. Lead time is 6 weeks.
> >
> > The minimum on SO package is 665 and lear time is longer than PDIP.
> >
> > Lets see if this attracts people to do a group buy.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:19:57 -0700, Bhargava <KILLspamabhargavaKILLspamgmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Let me find out with my rep... anyways if I can't buy those for 25
> >>cents I'll go with 37 cents. It will be $6 difference if we buy 50 of
> >>them.
> >>
> >>Lets see how many people will join...
> >>
> >>Regards.
> >>
> >
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>
> attiny11's are no RAM no EPROM devices, and require high voltage
> serial programming.  IMO not the best one to start with.
>
> You need a programmer like this:
> http://www.equinox-tech.com/products/details.asp?ID=5
>
> Or maybe:
> users.cableaz.com/~cappels/dproj/910page/avr910.htm
> http://www.serasidis.gr/circuits/avr_isp/avr_isp.htm
>
>
>
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:31:03 -0400, Martin Klingensmith
> <spamBeGonemartinspamBeGonennytech.net> wrote:
> >
> > I have never actually used an Atmel device. I figure an 8 pin device
> > would be a good place to start, am I right? Do they have a serial
> > bootloader builtin or what would I do to program them?
> > Thanks.
> >
> > I believe to actually start a group buy you should come up with a new
> > subject line like: "[AVR] ATtiny11 group buy"
> >
> > You have a numbered list wherein people reply and add their name, email,
> > and quantity - eg:
> > 1. Martin Klingensmith TakeThisOuTmartinEraseMEspam_OUTnnytech.net 50
> > ..
> > When you reach 650 send emails and make sure people are still interested.
> > --
> > --
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> > http://infoarchive.net/
> > http://nnytech.net/
> >
> >
> >
> > Bhargava wrote:
> > > I called my rep and figured out that the pricing is right (0.25) and
> > > the minimum order quantity on PDIP packages is 650, packaged in
> > > 50/tube. Lead time is 6 weeks.
> > >
> > > The minimum on SO package is 665 and lear time is longer than PDIP.
> > >
> > > Lets see if this attracts people to do a group buy.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:19:57 -0700, Bhargava <RemoveMEabhargavaTakeThisOuTgmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>Let me find out with my rep... anyways if I can't buy those for 25
> > >>cents I'll go with 37 cents. It will be $6 difference if we buy 50 of
> > >>them.
> > >>
> > >>Lets see how many people will join...
> > >>
> > >>Regards.
> > >>
> > >
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>
> I don't know if the price difference in cost between a group buy
> ($0.25) and and (ie) digikey ($0.54/41/38) is worth the hassle, unless
> some selfless person is willing to mail them out at like $3 for 10,
> postpaid
> (first class mail, one stamp?) (and do NOT underestimate the time and
> effort needed to mail out 60+ such efforts.
>
> I would buy 100 at the $0.25 price, just because for me, spending less
> than $25 just isn't worth it.  I'd buy 100 for $37.50 from digikey,
> too, and be happy, if I hadn't heard this rumor that they should be
> cheaper.
> I think we should at least wait a week or two to see if digikey/etc
> fall in with the rumor ("official company rep statement"?) or not...
>
> I do NOT think that an 8pin processor is a "good starting point",
> especially for the AVR series.  An AT90S2313 is at the bottom of their
> 'full featured' line (uart, ram, etc) instead of the bottom of the
> bottom, and would be a better choice, IMO.
>
> BillW
>
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>I'd be interested in 50 if they can be shipped to Canada without any
>big hassles.
>
>Alex
>
>On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:11:42 -0700, Bhargava <RemoveMEabhargavaEraseMEEraseMEgmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I called my rep and figured out that the pricing is right (0.25) and
>>the minimum order quantity on PDIP packages is 650, packaged in
>>50/tube. Lead time is 6 weeks.
>>
>>The minimum on SO package is 665 and lear time is longer than PDIP.
>>
>>Lets see if this attracts people to do a group buy.
>>
>>
>
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>

> >
> >Next is that a hobbyist doesn't need to have each and every processor in
> >the family. One good overall pick is better than trying to find the perfect
> >fit.
>
> This is where I am at personally, I like one big butt-kicking chip, and then I'll port it down once I know that I have all the "and it needs X" handled.
>
> >Finally I'm a true bootloader fan. So self programmable is a must if possible.
>
> That limits you to the AVRs with SPM instruction.
> The 6 pin serial in-circuit programming interface, or the 8-wire Jtag interface make it very easy to develop, but they aren't true bootloaders. Of course a bootloader eats codespace too, so you have to consider that.  In my 8 pin AVR barcode reader, I think I have seven instructions free, where a bootloader could live. :)  Code contest anyone?  You'd have to do a bit-banged uart as well...
>
> >So I ask the which one question in a different form. Which AVR parts match up
> >the most closely with the following PIC parts:
> >
> >12F675 (8 pin, flash, A/D)
> Tiny-15 or Tiny-13 which apparently has self-programming. (I've not used the T13)
>
> Tiny-13
> http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/product_card.asp?part_id=3175
>
> Tiny-15
> http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/product_card.asp?part_id=2033
>
> >16F88  (self programmable, most everything in a 18 pin package)
> Tiny-26 in a 20 pin, or Mega-8 in 23 pin package available, with 8 channels of 10 bit A/D.Also
>
>
> >16F877A (top of the line 40 pin 16F part. Wish there was a nanowatt version)
> M126/256 I think as well, no dip available.
>
> >18F4320 (top of the line 40 pin 18F part. Does have nanowatt)
> Mega-128 or Mega-256
> Has low power Sleep, Snooze, Catnap (not really, atmel has a bunch of sleep modes, but their documentation is confusing and could be MUCH better)
> Also interesting FDIV register, that lets me divide the clock by N, where N is 1-127
> Also low power Vittoz Xtal oscillator, like digital watch guys use, but no guidance on how to select the parts. Again, more docs/app notes needed.
>
> A nice sortable comparison page.
> http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/param_table.asp?family_id=607&subcat_id=&OrderBy=1229&Direction=ASC#
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> I've been putting Chetan to extra work answering my questions as I tried to
> get Paypal to do what I wanted - it doesn't like the cheque account
> numbering scheme we used here. All sorted out now by another means.
>
> BUT - if I may take the usually naughty step of discussing in public what
> was said in private - it seems that Chetan may have a few cents here and
> there "profit" from eg finding out that some postage is about 10 cents
> cheaper than he expected etc. In hsi srupulous honesty he is intending to
> refund these minor amounts.
>
> I would like to suggest that EVERYONE who bout ICs tell him that if there
> are a few cents left over then he should keep them. The effort he has gone
> to so far far outweighs the minimal return he may get. I'd say that all
> would agree that anything up to say $1 per customer is fair game as long as
> it was not arrived at intentionally and more than that would depend on each
> customer.
>
> In such deals which involves substantial handling I think it would be wise
> to add either a small flat charge per order to cover basic handling costs or
> maybe a small percentage. I don't recall envelopes, tyres, petrol, or shoe
> leather being mentioned, let alone time. I know such things are largely a
> labour of love on behalf of the greater family, but even love has to eat :-)
>
> I suggest offers top keep the spare change be made offlist to avoid the
> greatful all adding to the list traffic.
>
> For my part - many thanks Chetan. The great gain for me is having these
> processors to "play" with, which made lead to ultra low cost applications I
> may not otherwise have considered. For one off applications, cost alone
> really isn't relevant - a tiny12 would be far better. But for ultra low cost
> uses they are several times cheaper. I applaud Atmel for making something
> like this so cheap. Let's hope that others match them with processors of
> similar capability. Now, if only it had has hardware PWM ... :-)
>
>    Russell McMahon
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> At 05:42 PM 7/9/2004 -0700, Chetan Bhargava wrote:
>
> >Hi Dwayne,
> >
> >I have sent money and information to Jason who will be ordering the
> >devices. Jason has the control now.
> >
> >You are signed up for one tube of 50 do you want to make it 4 tubes of 50?
>
> Four is a bit much, but I could deal with two.
>
>
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> Chetan,
>
> 150 x ATtiny11 received OK here thanks
>
>
>
>
>        Russell McMahon
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pic microcontroller discussion list
> [RemoveMEPICLIST@spam@spamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Chetan Bhargava
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 4:02 PM
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> Subject: Re: [AVR:] ATtiny11s group buy?
>
>
> Great! Enjoy your Tiny 11 devices. What have you thought for the
> programmer? Hope that you are reading tiny11group mails :-)
>
> You are geographically farthest from here, so I'm assuming everyone
> else should have got their stuff by now or must be getting very
> shortly.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chetan
>
>
> On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:23:56 +1200, Russell McMahon
> <.....apptechRemoveMEparadise.net.nz> wrote:
> > Chetan,
> >
> > 150 x ATtiny11 received OK here thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >        Russell McMahon
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>Chetan,
>
>150 x ATtiny11 received OK here thanks
>
>
>        Russell McMahon
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