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2008\07\22@010858 by Vitaliy

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Mongol Herdsman wrote:
> you'll get the only reply, f*ck off you dirty pervert.

It is surprising to me how people couldn't put the two and two together,
speculating that MH is the alter ego of Olin, Bob Blick, etc.

The only person who fits the following profile:

> - Is very obnoxious
> - Holds a serious grudge against Olin
> - Has an interest in things Asian
> - Made a blunder by saying that Mongolian oxcarts can't cross the Atlantic
> to get to America
> - Comes up with ridiculous "inventions"
> - Thinks he is smarter than everyone on this list

...is also the one who was recently put on moderation for using profanity,
and dropped off the radar as suddenly as Mongol Herdsman has appeared on it.
The name of the disturbed young man is Tomás Ó hÉilidhe.

In the interest of maintaining public peace, I suggest that the proper
response is to put Mongol Herdsman on moderation, and for everyone to ignore
his future provocations.

Sincerely,

Vitaliy

2008\07\22@014609 by Bob Blick

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Vitaliy wrote:

> In the interest of maintaining public peace, I suggest that the proper
> response is to put Mongol Herdsman on moderation,

I'd love to but I don't have those powers yet.

> and for everyone to ignore
> his future provocations.

"Everyone" is a tall order.

Cheerful regards,

Bob

2008\07\22@043556 by Tony Smith

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> ...is also the one who was recently put on moderation for
> using profanity, and dropped off the radar as suddenly as
> Mongol Herdsman has appeared on it.
> The name of the disturbed young man is Tomás Ó hÉilidhe.


Maybe Tomas has finally gone off to test some LEDs.  That'll cheer Olin up.

Tony

2008\07\22@052113 by Apptech

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> The only person who fits the following profile ...

I'll say on-list that I consider it exceedingly unwise to
star attributing anonymous posts to any known person in a
manner which may be taken as malicious or slanderous. It's
fine enough if it's a game that all are enjoying and there
is no doubt that it is taken in good humour by all.

In this case a specific list member has been attributed with
posts which I'm fairly sure that they didn't make. It would
be nice if we could avoid that in future.

I'll say offlist <stealth mo ..>




       Russell


2008\07\22@064603 by Apptech

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> ...is also the one who was recently put on moderation for
> using profanity, and dropped off the radar as suddenly as
> Mongol Herdsman has appeared on it.
> The name of the disturbed young man is Tomás Ó hÉilidhe.

> Maybe Tomas has finally gone off to test some LEDs.
> That'll cheer Olin up.

I know that was in jest and somewhat flippant BUT if you
were Tomas, and didn't make the MH posts, and I don't think
he did, then how would you feel by now? As Tomas is unable
to hit back in 'open combat' without risking having his
reply censored, current list behaviour is akin to kicking a
man when he is down (or tied) without regard as to whether
he is in any way involved.

Not the list behaviour I think most of us would want for
themselves.


       Russell

2008\07\22@085420 by Carl Denk

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Something that a former employer (large USA car maker) taught me in a
working relations class:

Alway focus on the issue, never on the person. i.e. When the night shift
(Joe was the supervisor) made some poor quality parts, it is "What do we
do with the parts now" and not "Joe screwed up last night, what do we do
with his bum parts".

As soon a personalities are brought into the conversation there is conflict!

This list is of technical subject matter and we should (and I didn't say
try) stick to the subject matter. If one disagrees with the technical
issue, they should discuss the technical items so we may all learn. :)  
The only time possibly a name should be used, is in a thread, where
there are numerous contributions and one wishes to address a particular
item, and then only to point at that item, but the comment is strictly
technical!

Apptech wrote:
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2008\07\22@092158 by Tony Smith

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> > Maybe Tomas has finally gone off to test some LEDs.
> > That'll cheer Olin up.
>
> I know that was in jest and somewhat flippant BUT if you were
> Tomas, and didn't make the MH posts, and I don't think he
> did, then how would you feel by now? As Tomas is unable to
> hit back in 'open combat' without risking having his reply
> censored, current list behaviour is akin to kicking a man


Oh please.

If Tomas can cheerfully call people dickheads, I'm sure he can take a dig
like that.  Hell, I'm not bothered with being called a 'dirty pervert' and
told to fuck off.  (I don't recall Mr Herdsman being told 'stop that & play
nice', at least on list.)

I think half of the comments between Tomas & Olin were '...and what about
these LEDs then?' with Olin replying '...have you done any LED tests at all
yet?'.  The comment was to infer that Olin will be pleased once Tomas comes
back with some results.

Tony

2008\07\22@093244 by Spehro Pefhany

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Quoting Tony Smith <spam_OUTajsmithTakeThisOuTspambeagle.com.au>:

>> > Maybe Tomas has finally gone off to test some LEDs.
>> > That'll cheer Olin up.
>>
>> I know that was in jest and somewhat flippant BUT if you were
>> Tomas, and didn't make the MH posts, and I don't think he
>> did, then how would you feel by now? As Tomas is unable to
>> hit back in 'open combat' without risking having his reply
>> censored, current list behaviour is akin to kicking a man
>
>
> Oh please.
>
> If Tomas can cheerfully call people dickheads, I'm sure he can take a dig
> like that.  Hell, I'm not bothered with being called a 'dirty pervert' and
> told to fuck off.  (I don't recall Mr Herdsman being told 'stop that & play
> nice', at least on list.)

I assure you that's not the first time he's called someone "dickhead",  
"incompetent" etc. in public.

>
> I think half of the comments between Tomas & Olin were '...and what about
> these LEDs then?' with Olin replying '...have you done any LED tests at all
> yet?'.  The comment was to infer that Olin will be pleased once Tomas comes
> back with some results.
>
> Tony

Certainly!


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2008\07\22@093640 by Vitaliy

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Apptech wrote:
> In this case a specific list member has been attributed with
> posts which I'm fairly sure that they didn't make. It would
> be nice if we could avoid that in future.

Russell, I smell a double standard. A number of guesses had been put
forward, including:

> One could lay minor odds that it was in fact Olin abusing
> Olin here, and may just possibly not lose one's money :-).

Responses from the "accused" suggest that they were amused, not offended.
All that Tomas needs to say is, "it wasn't me".

We had a private exchange earlier, so he has a way of reaching me that
bypasses moderation.

Vitaliy

2008\07\22@094059 by Vitaliy

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Carl Denk wrote:
> Something that a former employer (large USA car maker) taught me in a
> working relations class:
>
> Alway focus on the issue, never on the person. i.e. When the night shift
> (Joe was the supervisor) made some poor quality parts, it is "What do we
> do with the parts now" and not "Joe screwed up last night, what do we do
> with his bum parts".
>
> As soon a personalities are brought into the conversation there is
> conflict!

At most normal companies, after several attempts to correct behavior, the
person is fired. If Joe keeps screwing up night after night, it's all about
the person, no the issue.


2008\07\22@095242 by Apptech

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> If Tomas can cheerfully call people dickheads, I'm sure he
> can take a dig
> like that.

The point was that T was being given flak for what MH was
doing.

> .. (I don't recall Mr Herdsman being told 'stop that &
> play
> nice', at least on list.)

You can guess that it didn't go unnoticed or unrewarded by
the dark watchers ...

> I think half of the comments between Tomas & Olin were
> '...and what about
> these LEDs then?' with Olin replying '...have you done any
> LED tests at all
> yet?'.  The comment was to infer that Olin will be pleased
> once Tomas comes
> back with some results.

Yeah. Understood then and now :-).
BUT when several people are slanging you to variable extent
(someone else much more explicitly) and it's not you
involved at all it can feel a bit overwhelming. In isolation
your comment was reasonably innocuous. But unfortunately it
was a tag-wrestling pass on from the prior post that you
quoted where T' was quite explicitly being called several
rude things for something which he almost certainly didn't
do.

All good fun. Unless one is on the sharp end.


       Russell

2008\07\22@101345 by Apptech

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>> As soon a personalities are brought into the conversation
>> there is
>> conflict!

> At most normal companies, after several attempts to
> correct behavior, the
> person is fired. If Joe keeps screwing up night after
> night, it's all about
> the person, no the issue.

But, if Fred is deemed to have screwed up, then abusing Joe
because its easier than finding Fred, and telling Joe that
his mother wears army boots is unlikely to impress Joe at
all. If you do this while someone else pins his arms behind
his back he's liable to be even less impressed.



       Russell



2008\07\22@101628 by Carl Denk

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Yes, and that can be handled off the production floor, were hopefully
teamwork can prevail, in the mean time the issue is making quality
product including determining whether the off quality parts can be
reworked or scrapped, and a discussion on that can happen in a proper
atmosphere.

Vitaliy wrote:
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2008\07\22@103131 by Apptech

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> Apptech wrote:
>> In this case a specific list member has been attributed
>> with
>> posts which I'm fairly sure that they didn't make. It
>> would
>> be nice if we could avoid that in future.

> Russell, I smell a double standard. A number of guesses
> had been put
> forward, including:
>
>> One could lay minor odds that it was in fact Olin abusing
>> Olin here, and may just possibly not lose one's money
>> :-).

Your sense of smell needs improving.
I submit that " ... minor odds... may just possibly not lose
..." ie there's an outside chance but don't put much money
on it PLUS how Olin would have taken that, versus

> - Is very obnoxious, Holds a serious grudge ... , Comes up
> with ridiculous "inventions", Thinks he is smarter than
> everyone on this list, Is xxx

is nolo contendere. You made a list of ad hominem criticisms
and then specifically attributed them to a list member when
it is unknown if the person concerned was the person
concerned and probably wasn't.

Did you get my offlist email to you? I'm uncertain what gets
through.

His ability to fry your ears in private only partially makes
up for his inability to properly take a Shillelagh to you in
public, should he so choose.

Which part of the above abuse would you personally NOT be at
least minorly annoyed by, were it directed against you in
public with no justification at all?


       Russell


2008\07\22@104040 by Dr Skip

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Yes, that's popular today, but I was just in a discussion off list about that
very thing (not Joe's parts... ) and while it avoids conflict, it also tends to
remove accountability for one's actions as well as develop a process where Joe
can screw up any time he doesn't feel like putting in good work.

Our conclusion was that this was a strong undercurrent in dwindling US
competitiveness. "Unacceptable" work no longer exists by definition, and the
rewards for great work are going away (so Joe doesn't get his feelings hurt).

It can also be said for engineers, not just assembly people (since this is [EE]).


Carl Denk wrote:
> Something that a former employer (large USA car maker) taught me in a
> working relations class:
>
> Alway focus on the issue, never on the person. i.e. When the night shift
> (Joe was the supervisor) made some poor quality parts, it is "What do we
> do with the parts now" and not "Joe screwed up last night, what do we do
> with his bum parts".
>
> As soon a personalities are brought into the conversation there is conflict!

2008\07\22@105622 by Rolf

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Personally I think it would be really funny if it was James.

All that pent-up frustration from dealing with the crotchety list
members for years has released itself through the alter-ego of MH......

If it were I'd support him t&t.

I miss his contributions....

Rolf

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