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2004\10\25@030757 by Russell McMahon

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Of interest in Auckland, NZ only I imagine :-)
If you've been BCCd this message it doesn't mean I think you want any of
this - just thought it may be of interest overall or you might know someone
silly enough to want it.

I have several cubic meters of high (and other) quality junk available for
removal, should there be anyone silly enough to want it :-)
The ideal is that some kind person will take the lot. I would consider
letting the odd "useful" piece go solo to a friend but don't want Joe
average coming and picking the eyes out of it (if there are any) or, worse
still, smashing up the monitors on the spot to extract the yoke coils for
the copper - people do that believe it or not.

Why would anyone want this job lot? - I don't know (my wife certainly
doesn't).
But on the off chance...
STUFF:

About 40 monitors. Mostly old 14" or 15" VGA colour.
**** Most are PROBABLY DEAD ****.
Those not dead are very probably tired.
The occasional composite video analog monitor
One EGA (condition unknown but I can guess).

4 or 5 Hercules screens (remember them) . some or most probably go! :-)

3 laser printers - seen better days.
One is large & Postscript and was going when I last looked - maybe ?4 years
ago.

PC's - 486 (remember them) x about 6 to 10. Some go.
(1 MB SIMs make great key fobs :-) )

Maybe a 386 or 2.
Maybe a Mac or 2 to a good home.

A few other bits and pieces. (20 port 10 Mbps LAN switch, ...)
Maybe some microwave ovens ()walking wounded or worse)(many are easily
enough fixed).

More to come.


       RM
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2004\10\25@081339 by Josh Koffman

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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:07:46 +1300, Russell McMahon
<spam_OUTapptechTakeThisOuTspamparadise.net.nz> wrote:
> The ideal is that some kind person will take the lot. I would consider
> letting the odd "useful" piece go solo to a friend but don't want Joe
> average coming and picking the eyes out of it (if there are any) or, worse
> still, smashing up the monitors on the spot to extract the yoke coils for
> the copper - people do that believe it or not.

So you're talking about Jinx there eh?

:)

Josh

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2004\10\25@131227 by Lawrence Lile

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A DUMPSTER COMES TO MIND.....

-- Lawrence Lile, P.E.
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Project Solutions Companies
http://www.projsolco.com

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2004\10\25@135545 by Josh Koffman

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Oh, I don't know. Admittedly, I don't have the time anymore to deal
with large lots like that (funny isn't it, now that I have a place of
my own I can do what I want, but I have no time. When I lived with my
parents I had plenty of time, but couldn't do as I wished, especially
if it involved 40 monitors!). However, I used to love getting
electronic junk given to me when I was younger. Now, 40 monitors take
up a fair chunk of space, but still, maybe someone could use it. I
still have trouble throwing some things out, I know I won't need them,
but I hate to contribute them to a landfill.

Josh
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:07:37 -0500, Lawrence Lile <.....llileKILLspamspam@spam@projsolco.com> wrote:
> A DUMPSTER COMES TO MIND.....
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2004\10\25@143737 by Peter Johansson

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Lawrence Lile writes:

> A DUMPSTER COMES TO MIND.....

In more and more locations, it is becoming illegal to dispose of CRTs
in a landfill, and in some areas, it is getting expensive to unload
CRTs even in working condition.  I don't know about the state of
things in NZ, but it probably wouldn't hut to get rid of them before
they become a financial liability as well as a space liability.

-p.
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2004\10\25@170059 by Jinx

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> > the copper - people do that believe it or not.
>
> So you're talking about Jinx there eh?

Ah, so kind, so kind

"The one thing worse than being talked about, is not
being talked about"

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2004\10\25@180127 by Russell McMahon

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>> A DUMPSTER COMES TO MIND.....

It may very well come to that.
I hate throwing things out that people MIGHT use. This way they get a
chance.
The "gear" is in a tasteful tarpaulin tent in my driveway (black & silver
tarpaulin to meet my wife's aesthetic demands) (amazingly inconspicuous from
the street due to cars and tress etc). If it's still there two weeks from
now a jumbo bin will be summoned.

More "equipment" is to follow, of a more general electronic and mechanical
nature.


       RM

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Description and photos here
The price is right :-)

40 deadish monitors

   http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/0002-0043-/auction-17676009.htm

Hercules monitors !!! :-)

   http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/0002-0043-/auction-17676342.htm  4

Deadish printers

   http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/0002-0043-/auction-17677118.htm  6



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2004\10\25@183124 by Ken Pergola

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Hiya Russell,

Perhaps some local schools or technical colleges/universities will take this
stuff off your hands. Kids in high school or freshman in college can get
some valuable repair/de-soldering skills with this equipment. Anyway, just a
thought.

I learned a lot in high school and in college this way. My teacher would
bring in stuff that people "donated". We would either fix it or practice
soldering/de-soldering.

Beer regards,

Ken Pergola


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2004\10\25@183445 by Ken Pergola

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Oh yes, and sorry about that typo Russell -- not watching my spell checker.

That's 'best regards' of course! :)

Ken



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2004\10\25@190505 by William Chops Westfield

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On Oct 25, 2004, at 10:07 AM, Lawrence Lile wrote:

>> About 40 monitors. Mostly old 14" or 15" VGA colour.
>>
> A DUMPSTER COMES TO MIND...

It shouldn't.  Around here, old monitors are considered hazmat (lead in
the glass tubes, you know) and you have to drop them off and/or pay
to dispose of them...

I would have thought that if one were going to dispose of a bunch of
lead, having it all tied up in glass would be a pretty safe disposal
mechanism (similar things have been suggested for radioactive waste),
but apparently California Government regulators know better...

BillW


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2004\10\25@195216 by Jinx

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> > Beer regards,

> Oh yes, and sorry about that typo Russell -- not watching my spell
> checker.
>
> That's 'best regards' of course! :)
>
> Ken

"beet regards" is a typo. "beer regards" is a Freudian slip ;-))

("beauregard" is a Suthan Gentleman suh. A Suthan Gentleman
ah say)

BTW, I'm in a similar position to Russell which is why I declined his
offer. Plus adding additional "pre-loved" goods to my pile would have
put me in the oh-isn't-that-sad Edmund Trebus class of hoarder

Something to which I do not aspire

I'll let you know if "Junx" comes out to play

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2004\10\25@205830 by Denny Esterline

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> >> About 40 monitors. Mostly old 14" or 15" VGA colour.
> >>
> > A DUMPSTER COMES TO MIND...
>
> It shouldn't.  Around here, old monitors are considered hazmat (lead in
> the glass tubes, you know) and you have to drop them off and/or pay
> to dispose of them...
>
> I would have thought that if one were going to dispose of a bunch of
> lead, having it all tied up in glass would be a pretty safe disposal
> mechanism (similar things have been suggested for radioactive waste),
> but apparently California Government regulators know better...
>
> BillW

Lead? *in* the tube?

Why would there be lead in the tube? I'd have thought that there would be
much more lead on the circuit board than in the picture tube.

-Denny


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2004\10\25@213321 by Richard.Prosser

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The glass used has a high lead content (as in Lead-crystal Glassware?)
I don't know if it's added to reduce Xray emission or for physical strength
etc. But it is there in a significant percentage.

RP



Lead? *in* the tube?

Why would there be lead in the tube? I'd have thought that there would be
much more lead on the circuit board than in the picture tube.

-Denny


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2004\10\25@221027 by William Chops Westfield

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On Oct 25, 2004, at 6:02 PM, Denny Esterline wrote:

> Lead? *in* the tube?
>
> Why would there be lead in the tube?

Leaded glass is used to shield the user from X-Rays and similar that
happen when you smash electrons into things...

BillW

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2004\10\25@221510 by Herbert Graf

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On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 21:02, Denny Esterline wrote:
> Lead? *in* the tube?

Yup, lots of it.

> Why would there be lead in the tube? I'd have thought that there would be
> much more lead on the circuit board than in the picture tube.

The other way around, by a LARGE margin. There is usually POUNDS of lead
in the glass. It's used as shielding. CRTs can produce a crap load of
"bad" stuff, X-Rays being the biggest problem. The lead keeps the
nasties in the tube instead of in your head... :) TTYL

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2004\10\26@000033 by Charles Craft

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I keep a roll of aluminum foil near all my CRT monitors.
Sometimes I make a helmet out of it, other times I wrap my head like Claud Raines and poke eye holes.
%-)

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2004\10\26@000635 by Charles Craft

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Anyone have hints for keeping the "I'll need that old TV carcass someday" pile under control?

There have been threads before about stocking a lab by ordering a few extra when doing projects.

Does anyone really have luck scavenging through broken electronics for a the few good bits?

Anyone need a copy of the 1980 IC Master? All 6 or 7 inches thick of it.

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2004\10\26@045607 by Alan B. Pearce

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>BTW, I'm in a similar position to Russell which is
>why I declined his offer.

Hmm, just as well you did not see the heap of stuff we threw out when moving
to the UK. You would have had a field day, as they say.

>Plus adding additional "pre-loved" goods to my pile
>would have put me in the oh-isn't-that-sad
>Edmund Trebus class of hoarder

Oh, no, his fame has reached the other side of the world ??? !!!!!!!

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2004\10\26@045656 by Alan B. Pearce

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> It shouldn't.  Around here, old monitors are considered hazmat (lead in
> the glass tubes, you know) and you have to drop them off and/or pay
> to dispose of them...


Did you ask them what crystal they use at their counsel meetings, to drink
out of?

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2004\10\26@065950 by Peter L. Peres

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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Josh Koffman wrote:

> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:07:46 +1300, Russell McMahon
> <apptechspamKILLspamparadise.net.nz> wrote:
>> The ideal is that some kind person will take the lot. I would consider
>> letting the odd "useful" piece go solo to a friend but don't want Joe
>> average coming and picking the eyes out of it (if there are any) or, worse
>> still, smashing up the monitors on the spot to extract the yoke coils for
>> the copper - people do that believe it or not.
>
> So you're talking about Jinx there eh?

I think that Jinx can wait him out and recover what he needs from the
dumpsters outside ;-)

Peter
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2004\10\26@082431 by Lawrence Lile

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> I think that Jinx can wait him out and recover what he needs from the
> dumpsters outside ;-)

Hey, don't give away trade secrets here, I was going to try that myself!

-- Lawrence Lile, P.E.
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2004\10\26@082540 by olin_piclist

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Denny Esterline wrote:
> Lead? *in* the tube?
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> Why would there be lead in the tube? I'd have thought that there would
> be much more lead on the circuit board than in the picture tube.

The lead in the tube glass keeps the Xrays in.

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2004\10\26@090148 by olin_piclist

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Charles Craft wrote:
> I keep a roll of aluminum foil near all my CRT monitors.
> Sometimes I make a helmet out of it, other times I wrap my head like
> Claud Raines and poke eye holes. %-)

Is this recursive proof that it doesn't work?

If you're really worried, shouldn't a lead-lined jockstrap be higher on the
priority list? ;-)


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2004\10\26@090419 by olin_piclist

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> Does anyone really have luck scavenging through broken electronics for
> a the few good bits?

Back when I was in grade school in the late 1960s, you could get some useful
parts by scavanging tossed out equipment.  Nowadays with the level of
integration, custom and unmarked IC, etc, you can't really do that anymore.


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2004\10\26@095833 by Charles Craft

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The kid doesn't have a third eye in his forehead so I figure the junkfood girth around my middle
protected the important parts.

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2004\10\26@112254 by Peter Johansson

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Lawrence Lile writes:

> > I think that Jinx can wait him out and recover what he needs from the
> > dumpsters outside ;-)
>
> Hey, don't give away trade secrets here, I was going to try that myself!

Back in high school & college I did very well raiding dumpsters and
selling the booty at hamfests.  Once people started throwing away
broken PCs rather than having them repaired, profits skyrocketed.  My
favorite stop, however, was a General Instrument production facility.
They would throw away *cases* of unused components.  Sometimes the
stuff was useful, other times not.

One of the largest scores was probably some 10,000 low voltage, PCB
mount incandescent indicator lamps.  The best use I had for these was
to take a piece of plywood and drill holes to accept the lamps,
hundreds at a time.  I built a plywood wheel 2-3 ft. is diameter with
a brush on the shaft and contacts for each bulb out by the edge.
Being young and (somewhat more) foolish, the setup was powered
directly from line voltage.  This was always one of the bigs hits on
4th of July.  ;-)

-p.

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2004\10\26@191029 by Jinx

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> >Edmund Trebus class of hoarder
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> Oh, no, his fame has reached the other side of the world ??? !!!!!!!

Oh yes

Very sad to hear of the demise of Mr John Peel today (narrator of
A Life Of Grime, which featured Edmund Trebus)

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