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New 19-Nov-2001 Add USB to your product in 10 minutes. http://www.dontronics.com/giga.html Don McKenzie spam_OUTdonTakeThisOuTdontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com PICMicro C Compiler & PICC-18 C Compiler by Hi-Tech @ $100USD Off Retail The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email .....listservKILLspam@spam@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

So suppose you were going to design a device that would hook to a PC USB port using this product. Wouldn't a device driver for the USB device be required? Is that supplied with the unit? John Hansen At 07:20 AM 11/22/01 +1100, you wrote: {Quote hidden}>New 19-Nov-2001 >Add USB to your product in 10 minutes. >http://www.dontronics.com/giga.html > >Don McKenzie donKILLspamdontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com > >PICMicro C Compiler & PICC-18 C Compiler by Hi-Tech @ $100USD Off Retail >The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software > >-- >http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! >email .....listservKILLspam.....mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email EraseMElistservspam_OUTTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

John Hansen wrote: > > So suppose you were going to design a device that would hook to a PC USB > port using this product. Wouldn't a device driver for the USB device be > required? Is that supplied with the unit? > >Add USB to your product in 10 minutes. > >http://www.dontronics.com/giga.html with the unit John. Based on the FTDI FT8U232AM Rev 2 silicon. Full data sheets, schematics, application notes, and drivers are available, so this is great for anyone wanting to get that special project running from a USB port. see: http://www.dontronics.com/usb_232.html for links to the data sheets. the usb to rs-232 production units shown on the above page, are just coming out of the factory now. I hope to have individual serial and parallel chips early next week. Don McKenzie donspam_OUTdontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com PICMicro C Compiler & PICC-18 C Compiler by Hi-Tech @ $100USD Off Retail The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email @spam@listservKILLspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, John Hansen wrote: > So suppose you were going to design a device that would hook to a PC USB > port using this product. Wouldn't a device driver for the USB device be > required? Is that supplied with the unit? The chip it's based on is very very nice and support is also nice. Also it has native support under Linux(kernel 2.4 and above). Appears as an RS232 port to the system. I've been using adapter cables using this chip and it's my favorite(even MPLAB will run a Picstart+ off a USB port with it!). Way to go, Don! Cheers, Bob -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email KILLspamlistservKILLspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

I havn't use this board but i have used the chip, Its dead easy to use , the pc just sees it as a serial poart so you can access it with hyperterm or mscomm in VB Kevin Don McKenzie wrote: {Quote hidden}> New 19-Nov-2001 > Add USB to your product in 10 minutes. > http://www.dontronics.com/giga.html > > Don McKenzie RemoveMEdonTakeThisOuTdontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com > > PICMicro C Compiler & PICC-18 C Compiler by Hi-Tech @ $100USD Off Retail > The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software > > -- > http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! > email spamBeGonelistservspamBeGonemitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body -- QinetiQ Standard Internet Disclaimer: "The information contained in this e-mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the intended recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful." -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList TakeThisOuTpiclist-unsubscribe-requestEraseMEspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu

Bob Blick wrote: > The chip it's based on is very very nice and support is also nice. Also it > has native support under Linux(kernel 2.4 and above). Appears as an RS232 > port to the system. I've been using adapter cables using this chip and > it's my favorite(even MPLAB will run a Picstart+ off a USB port with it!). > > Way to go, Don! I had several people on the list ask me to let them know when I had the chips in stock. Just arrived, both the serial FT8U232AM and the parallel FT8U245AM. And there will be a general I/O board with smarts (based on a scenix chip) available shortly also, which provides 24 programmable I/O lines from the USB BUS. Will sell for around US$55 retail. Optional firmware will drive servos and measure and generate frequencies up to several MHz. Many more tricks possible with this board. I²C bus and Dallas IButton bus also quite easy. But give me a week or two to get up to speed with prices/pdf's etc. Don McKenzie RemoveMEdonTakeThisOuTdontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com PICMicro C Compiler & PICC-18 C Compiler by Hi-Tech @ $100USD Off Retail The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList piclist-unsubscribe-requestEraseME.....mitvma.mit.edu

Are these chips bus powered? Do they provide a means to power your project from the bus too? Josh Don McKenzie wrote: {Quote hidden}> > Bob Blick wrote: > > > The chip it's based on is very very nice and support is also nice. Also it > > has native support under Linux(kernel 2.4 and above). Appears as an RS232 > > port to the system. I've been using adapter cables using this chip and > > it's my favorite(even MPLAB will run a Picstart+ off a USB port with it!). > > > > Way to go, Don! > > I had several people on the list ask me to let them know when I had the > chips in stock. > Just arrived, both the serial FT8U232AM and the parallel FT8U245AM. > > And there will be a general I/O board with smarts (based on a scenix > chip) available shortly also, which provides 24 programmable I/O lines > from the USB BUS. > Will sell for around US$55 retail. Optional firmware will drive servos > and measure and generate frequencies up to several MHz. Many more tricks > possible with this board. I2C bus and Dallas IButton bus also quite > easy. > > But give me a week or two to get up to speed with prices/pdf's etc. > > Don McKenzie EraseMEdondontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com > > PICMicro C Compiler & PICC-18 C Compiler by Hi-Tech @ $100USD Off Retail > The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList > RemoveMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestEraseMEEraseMEmitvma.mit.edu -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -Douglas Adams -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList RemoveMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestspam_OUTKILLspammitvma.mit.edu

>Are these chips bus powered? Do they provide a means to power your >project from the bus too? Yes, they are powered from the USB bus. It's four wires - two are the bus and then there's +5 and ground. There are companies that sell USB-powered lights for illuminating your laptop keyboard :-) -Bob -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList RemoveMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestTakeThisOuTspammitvma.mit.edu

> >There are companies that sell USB-powered lights for illuminating your >laptop keyboard :-) I have one of those. Very nice on long flights. White LED, so it's pretty efficient. -- Dave's Engineering Page: http://www.dvanhorn.org Got a need to read Bar codes? http://www.barcodechip.com Bi-directional read of UPC-A, UPC-E, EAN-8, EAN-13, JAN, and Bookland, with two or five digit supplemental codes, in an 8 pin chip, with NO external parts. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList EraseMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestspamspamBeGonemitvma.mit.edu

Josh Koffman wrote: > > Are these chips bus powered? Do they provide a means to power your > project from the bus too? re http://www.dontronics.com/giga.html Basically yes, and yes. I don't have the specs in front of me Josh, but looking at the general power info in Jan Axelson's "USB Compete Book" a device requiring 100 ma is fine, something that needs 500ma will depend on the PC power supply, ie: is it a notebook?, and if it is a hub, is it self powered? So, a sensible drain, such as the juice required by a low voltage PIC programmer or similar, would be fine. After all, the USB bus now powers cameras and many other devices. I know other will have a better idea than me on this. Don McKenzie RemoveMEdonKILLspamdontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com PICMicro C Compiler & PICC-18 C Compiler by Hi-Tech @ $100USD Off Retail The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList piclist-unsubscribe-requestSTOPspamspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu

At 03:16 PM 11/23/01 +1100, Don McKenzie wrote: >Josh Koffman wrote: > > > > Are these chips bus powered? Do they provide a means to power your > > project from the bus too? > >re http://www.dontronics.com/giga.html >Basically yes, and yes. > >I don't have the specs in front of me Josh, but looking at the general >power info in Jan Axelson's "USB Compete Book" a device requiring 100 ma >is fine, something that needs 500ma will depend on the PC power supply, >ie: is it a notebook?, and if it is a hub, is it self powered? Half an amp is all you get, from a powered hub. I don't know the number for an unpowered one. -- Dave's Engineering Page: http://www.dvanhorn.org Got a need to read Bar codes? http://www.barcodechip.com Bi-directional read of UPC-A, UPC-E, EAN-8, EAN-13, JAN, and Bookland, with two or five digit supplemental codes, in an 8 pin chip, with NO external parts. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList spamBeGonepiclist-unsubscribe-requestSTOPspamEraseMEmitvma.mit.edu

100ma from an unpowered hub, I think. -Randy Glenn Measure twice, cut once, curse, discard. Repeat. ================================================= KILLspamPICxpertspamBeGonecogeco.ca - EraseMEPICxpertEraseMEyahoo.com http://picxpert.dyndns.org Not that the site works yet, of course... ================================================= {Original Message removed}

Hi Don. So are the power lines from the bus brought out to a header on the module? Josh Don McKenzie wrote: {Quote hidden}> > Josh Koffman wrote: > > > > Are these chips bus powered? Do they provide a means to power your > > project from the bus too? > > re http://www.dontronics.com/giga.html > Basically yes, and yes. > > I don't have the specs in front of me Josh, but looking at the general > power info in Jan Axelson's "USB Compete Book" a device requiring 100 ma > is fine, something that needs 500ma will depend on the PC power supply, > ie: is it a notebook?, and if it is a hub, is it self powered? > > So, a sensible drain, such as the juice required by a low voltage PIC > programmer or similar, would be fine. > > After all, the USB bus now powers cameras and many other devices. > I know other will have a better idea than me on this. > > Don McKenzie @spam@don@spam@spam_OUTdontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com > > PICMicro C Compiler & PICC-18 C Compiler by Hi-Tech @ $100USD Off Retail > The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList > spamBeGonepiclist-unsubscribe-requestKILLspammitvma.mit.edu -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -Douglas Adams -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

Josh Koffman wrote: > > Hi Don. So are the power lines from the bus brought out to a header on > the module? The module is set up so that it fits a 32 pin wide type jedec pinout, and all signals appear on these pins including +5V and ground. Full data sheets, schematics, application notes, and drivers are available from the links at: http://www.dontronics.com/giga.html Don McKenzie .....donspam_OUTdontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com PICMicro C Compiler & PICC-18 C Compiler by Hi-Tech @ $100USD Off Retail The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

> There are companies that sell USB-powered lights for illuminating your > laptop keyboard :-) And phone chargers - which has been very useful. No need for a bulky wall-wart, just plug it into a USB socket... Which, if you're running NT4, at least gives *some* use for the things. Peter This email, its content and any attachments is PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL to TANDBERG Television. If received in error please notify the sender and destroy the original message and attachments. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

> >Are these chips bus powered? Do they provide a means to power your > >project from the bus too? > > Yes, they are powered from the USB bus. It's four wires - two are the bus > and then there's +5 and ground. > > There are companies that sell USB-powered lights for illuminating your > laptop keyboard :-) Also USB phone rechargers :o) which makes me think we can pull a fair amount of power out of the USB port :o) Regards, Kat. ____________________________________________________________________________ /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | K.A.Q. Electronics \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | Software and Electronic Engineering X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Perth Western Australia / \ | Ph +61 419 923 731 ____________________________________________________________________________ -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

To summarise the specification each output is capable of supplying 500mA at 5 volts protected by a self resetting fuse or other device. A hub which has it's own power supply should be capable of supplying 500mA out of each of it's 4 outputs. However, when purchasing a hub check that the power supply can output 2 Amps, some manufacturers save money by bundling a smaller power supply. If a hub is being powered from a previous hub then the 500mA is divided between the hub controller and the 4 output ports which is where the 100mA comes from. Actually the current does not have to be equally divided provided the total current drawn from the feeding hub does not exceed 500mA. Regards Chris Carr {Original Message removed}

>> Yes, they are powered from the USB bus. It's four wires - two are the bus >> and then there's +5 and ground. >> >> There are companies that sell USB-powered lights for illuminating your >> laptop keyboard :-) > > >Also USB phone rechargers :o) which makes me think we can pull a fair amount >of power out of the USB port :o) Universal Serial Bus System Architecure by Don Anderson states the following: Current Budget A fully rated port must be able to provide five units of current (500ma) to the attached device. Self-powered hubs (including the root hub) having their own local power supply can provide the maximum rated power to each port. However, bus-powered hubs have only the bus power that they receive from the upstream cable to distribute to all of their USB ports. This can severely limit the amount of current that is available for USB devices that attach to bus-powered hub ports. The minimum current available at a port is 100ma. Regards Jean-Michel. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

Further to what I mentioned in my origional posting: New 26-Nov-2001 USBIO24: USB to 24 TTL I/O Signals: This module combines the power of USB and an Ubicom SX48. The module offers 3 x 8 bit programmable I/O ports Supplied firmware allows the ports to be individually pin programmed as inputs or outputs. Supplied software allow you to access the ports directly from a DLL or as a virtual serial port with a simple command protocol. Firmware can be developed for this module for application specific tasks. http://www.dontronics.com/giga.html Don McKenzie TakeThisOuTdon.....TakeThisOuTdontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com PICMicro C Compiler & PICC-18 C Compiler by Hi-Tech @ $100USD Off Retail The World's Largest Range of Atmel/AVR & PICmicro Hardware and Software -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

Don McKenzie wrote: > > Josh Koffman wrote: > > > > Are these chips bus powered? Do they provide a means to power your > > project from the bus too? > > re http://www.dontronics.com/giga.html > Basically yes, and yes. > > I don't have the specs in front of me Josh, but looking at the general > power info in Jan Axelson's "USB Compete Book" a device requiring 100 ma > is fine, something that needs 500ma will depend on the PC power supply, > ie: is it a notebook?, and if it is a hub, is it self powered? > > So, a sensible drain, such as the juice required by a low voltage PIC > programmer or similar, would be fine. > > After all, the USB bus now powers cameras and many other devices. > I know other will have a better idea than me on this. The specs aren't completely clear, but they mention something about 60mA for "user applications". Does that mean that my PIC et al can only use 60mA? That's just barely enough for my USB-CAN adapter. I was hoping for a little more breathing room. What happened to the 500mA limit? -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

At 15:42 11/29/2001 -0500, Brandon Fosdick wrote: >The specs aren't completely clear, but they mention something about 60mA for >"user applications". Does that mean that my PIC et al can only use 60mA? >That's >just barely enough for my USB-CAN adapter. I was hoping for a little more >breathing room. What happened to the 500mA limit? Seems to me that these 60mA are the 100mA /minimum/ that a USB port must be able to provide, minus whatever the module itself needs (the USB chip's specs say 50mA max). If you have a USB port upstream that is able to provide more (like the 500mA max of the USB spec), you have 450mA for your application circuit. So what your app can use depends on the port it is connected to. ge -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

Gerhard Fiedler wrote: > > At 15:42 11/29/2001 -0500, Brandon Fosdick wrote: > >The specs aren't completely clear, but they mention something about 60mA for > >"user applications". Does that mean that my PIC et al can only use 60mA? > >That's > >just barely enough for my USB-CAN adapter. I was hoping for a little more > >breathing room. What happened to the 500mA limit? > > Seems to me that these 60mA are the 100mA /minimum/ that a USB port must be > able to provide, minus whatever the module itself needs (the USB chip's > specs say 50mA max). If you have a USB port upstream that is able to > provide more (like the 500mA max of the USB spec), you have 450mA for your > application circuit. > > So what your app can use depends on the port it is connected to. That makes sense. I'll probably be using it with a laptop or desktop most of the time so it should work fine. Might be a little tight with a PDA though. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

Hello Gerhard, > That makes sense. I'll probably be using it with a laptop or desktop most of the > time so it should work fine. Might be a little tight with a PDA though. I've been looking for PDAs with USB ports with no sucess. The new ones from Palm have client USB (not host) on its proprietary connector. What PDA you pretend to use on your project? Best regards, Busque ----------------------------------- Edson Brusque Research and Development C.I.Tronics Lighting Designers Ltda Blumenau - SC - Brazil http://www.citronics.com.br ----------------------------------- -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList TakeThisOuTpiclist-unsubscribe-requestKILLspamspammitvma.mit.edu

Actually, that was Brandon Fosdick who wants to use the PDA. At 11:40 12/02/2001 -0200, Edson Brusque wrote: >Hello Gerhard, > > > That makes sense. I'll probably be using it with a laptop or desktop most >of the > > time so it should work fine. Might be a little tight with a PDA though. > > I've been looking for PDAs with USB ports with no sucess. The new ones >from Palm have client USB (not host) on its proprietary connector. What PDA >you pretend to use on your project? -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList .....piclist-unsubscribe-requestRemoveMEmitvma.mit.edu

Hello, > Actually, that was Brandon Fosdick who wants to use the PDA. ops, sorry... Best regards, Brusque ----------------------------------- Edson Brusque Research and Development C.I.Tronics Lighting Designers Ltda Blumenau - SC - Brazil http://www.citronics.com.br ----------------------------------- -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList RemoveMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestspamBeGonemitvma.mit.edu

Edson Brusque wrote: > > Hello Gerhard, > > > That makes sense. I'll probably be using it with a laptop or desktop most > of the > > time so it should work fine. Might be a little tight with a PDA though. > > I've been looking for PDAs with USB ports with no sucess. The new ones > from Palm have client USB (not host) on its proprietary connector. What PDA > you pretend to use on your project? I was hoping that I would be able to find a PDA to do what I want. :) And for some reason I thought the iPAQ was a host, but I was wrong. Looks like its time to start another open source PDA project. Yes, I've seen the Agenda, not too impressed. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList spamBeGonepiclist-unsubscribe-request@spam@spam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu

> > I've been looking for PDAs with USB ports with no sucess. The new ones > > from Palm have client USB (not host) on its proprietary connector. Has anyone here done any devoplment on the Palm? I'm looking to write up a simple program, but I'm not great with programming. Any ideas for resources? Thanks, Josh -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -Douglas Adams -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList TakeThisOuTpiclist-unsubscribe-requestspammitvma.mit.edu

Josh Koffman wrote: > > > > I've been looking for PDAs with USB ports with no sucess. The new ones > > > from Palm have client USB (not host) on its proprietary connector. > > Has anyone here done any devoplment on the Palm? I'm looking to write up > a simple program, but I'm not great with programming. Any ideas for > resources? I signed up for their developer program, but haven't had a chance to do anything yet. When I signed up the program was free and they were offering discounts on Palms. If you develop on *nix they have a set of add-ons for gcc that allow for cross-compiling. I don't remember what kind of windows stuff is available. Looked like there's plenty of documentation avaiable though. http://www.palm.com/developers/ for more info. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList piclist-unsubscribe-requestEraseMEmitvma.mit.edu

On Sun, 2 Dec 2001, Josh Koffman wrote: > > > I've been looking for PDAs with USB ports with no sucess. The new ones > > > from Palm have client USB (not host) on its proprietary connector. > > Has anyone here done any devoplment on the Palm? I'm looking to write up > a simple program, but I'm not great with programming. Any ideas for > resources? Join the Palm Developer Program (free, on their website) and you can download Code Warrior Lite for Palm (free, from their website) that gives you a complete Windows IDE and C/C++ compiler/debugger/sim for the Palm. Dale -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList RemoveMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestEraseMEspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu

Thanks Dale and Brandon. I guess I finally have to learn C. Blah...I wish there was an easier way. Josh -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -Douglas Adams Dale Botkin wrote: {Quote hidden}> > On Sun, 2 Dec 2001, Josh Koffman wrote: > > > > > I've been looking for PDAs with USB ports with no sucess. The new ones > > > > from Palm have client USB (not host) on its proprietary connector. > > > > Has anyone here done any devoplment on the Palm? I'm looking to write up > > a simple program, but I'm not great with programming. Any ideas for > > resources? > > Join the Palm Developer Program (free, on their website) and you can > download Code Warrior Lite for Palm (free, from their website) that gives > you a complete Windows IDE and C/C++ compiler/debugger/sim for the Palm. > > Dale -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

>Has anyone here done any devoplment on the Palm? I'm looking to write up >a simple program, but I'm not great with programming. Any ideas for >resources? NSBasic. Simple as Visual Basic. ---8<---Corte aqui---8<---- Alexandre Souza @spam@taitoRemoveMEEraseMEterra.com.br http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/pinball/ ---8<---Corte aqui---8<---- -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

At 03:20 AM 12/3/01 -0200, Alexandre Domingos F. Souza wrote: > >Has anyone here done any devoplment on the Palm? I'm looking to write up > >a simple program, but I'm not great with programming. Any ideas for > >resources? > > NSBasic. Simple as Visual Basic. Beware, it has some limitations. It's rather large, and not very speedy, (it's interpreted) I did a printer demo project recently on it. It doesn't suck, -- Dave's Engineering Page: http://www.dvanhorn.org Got a need to read Bar codes? http://www.barcodechip.com Bi-directional read of UPC-A, UPC-E, EAN-8, EAN-13, JAN, and Bookland, with two or five digit supplemental codes, in an 8 pin chip, with NO external parts. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Josh Koffman wrote: > Thanks Dale and Brandon. I guess I finally have to learn C. Blah...I > wish there was an easier way. It's really not that bad. I did it last spring... takes a little learning, but once you get going you can write code that (at least for me) is much easier to figure out if you go back and look at it after a while. I know I'm doing a lot more now that I've started writing in C, and it's also made learning other lanuages MUCH easier - like PHP and stuff, they're mostly derived from C and C++. Dale -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

>Has anyone here done any devoplment on the Palm? I'm looking to write up >a simple program, but I'm not great with programming. Any ideas for >resources? I have the cheap version of AppForge (~$65?). You write your Palm programs in VB6. No learning curve if you know VB6. Jay -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

Can you suggest any resources? I dont' really want to use C for the pic, but I guess I will need to for the Palm. Thanks everyone else for the alternate language suggestions, but it looks like I'm tied to C becuase of an SDK I need to use. Thanks, Josh Dale Botkin wrote: {Quote hidden}> > On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Josh Koffman wrote: > > > Thanks Dale and Brandon. I guess I finally have to learn C. Blah...I > > wish there was an easier way. > > It's really not that bad. I did it last spring... takes a little > learning, but once you get going you can write code that (at least for me) > is much easier to figure out if you go back and look at it after a while. > I know I'm doing a lot more now that I've started writing in C, and it's > also made learning other lanuages MUCH easier - like PHP and stuff, > they're mostly derived from C and C++. > > Dale > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -Douglas Adams -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

I bought the Kernighan & Ritchie book ("The C Programming Language"), and like it fine. Others have said it's not very good for learning, but I must be warped. I've had good luck with the Sams "Teach Yourself Neurosurgery in 24 Hours" type of books, have one for C++ that I didi't get past Hour 6 with but that was my fault, not the book's. I have also found several C tutorials around the Web of varying quality. Dale -- "Curiosity is the very basis of education and if you tell me that curiosity killed the cat, I say only the cat died nobly." - Arnold Edinborough On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Josh Koffman wrote: > Can you suggest any resources? I dont' really want to use C for the pic, > but I guess I will need to for the Palm. Thanks everyone else for the > alternate language suggestions, but it looks like I'm tied to C becuase > of an SDK I need to use. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

Heh, Ironically learning VB6 is also on my to do list for another project :) Josh Jay Hanson wrote: {Quote hidden}> > >Has anyone here done any devoplment on the Palm? I'm looking to write up > >a simple program, but I'm not great with programming. Any ideas for > >resources? > > I have the cheap version of AppForge (~$65?). You write your Palm programs > in VB6. No learning curve if you know VB6. > > Jay > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -Douglas Adams -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

Thanks Dale. I will try to get that book at the library. Any links to those tutorials? Basically my program shouldn't be too hard, basically it is a user interface for an SDK. So I figure all it really needs to do is detect the button pushes on screen, and trigger the appropriate action, which is semi well documented by the maker of the SDK. Unfortunately I've forgotten all the C I once knew :) Josh Dale Botkin wrote: {Quote hidden}> > I bought the Kernighan & Ritchie book ("The C Programming Language"), and > like it fine. Others have said it's not very good for learning, but I > must be warped. I've had good luck with the Sams "Teach Yourself > Neurosurgery in 24 Hours" type of books, have one for C++ that I didi't > get past Hour 6 with but that was my fault, not the book's. > > I have also found several C tutorials around the Web of varying quality. > > Dale > -- > "Curiosity is the very basis of education and if you tell me that > curiosity killed the cat, I say only the cat died nobly." > - Arnold Edinborough > > On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Josh Koffman wrote: > > > Can you suggest any resources? I dont' really want to use C for the pic, > > but I guess I will need to for the Palm. Thanks everyone else for the > > alternate language suggestions, but it looks like I'm tied to C becuase > > of an SDK I need to use. > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -Douglas Adams -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

At 08:14 AM 12/3/01 -1000, Jay wrote: > >Has anyone here done any devoplment on the Palm? I'm looking to write up > >a simple program, but I'm not great with programming. Any ideas for > >resources? > >I have the cheap version of AppForge (~$65?). You write your Palm programs >in VB6. No learning curve if you know VB6. Where do you get this $65 version? The cheapest license available on their website is $499. ================================================================ Robert A. LaBudde, PhD, PAS, Dpl. ACAFS e-mail: EraseMEral@spam@lcfltd.com Least Cost Formulations, Ltd. URL: http://lcfltd.com/ 824 Timberlake Drive Tel: 757-467-0954 Virginia Beach, VA 23464-3239 Fax: 757-467-2947 "Vere scire est per causas scire" ================================================================ -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads