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2008\01\02@154502 by Martin Klingensmith

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I'm looking for a source for 2x16 or 2x20 alpha numeric "44780" LCDs. A
couple years ago searching google for "LCD displays" would have been
easy. Do you have a good, inexpensive, source you'd like to share?

Thanks
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Martin

2008\01\02@155731 by Herbert Graf

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I'm not sure what quantity you need, but for my very small needs I
usually go to BG Micro: http://www.bgmicro.com

One they carry:
P/N: LCD1031 $5.95/each

TTYL

On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 15:44 -0500, Martin Klingensmith wrote:
> I'm looking for a source for 2x16 or 2x20 alpha numeric "44780" LCDs. A
> couple years ago searching google for "LCD displays" would have been
> easy. Do you have a good, inexpensive, source you'd like to share?
>
> Thanks
> -
> Martin

2008\01\02@155909 by hgraf

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On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 15:57 -0500, Herbert Graf wrote:
> I'm not sure what quantity you need, but for my very small needs I
> usually go to BG Micro: http://www.bgmicro.com
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> One they carry:
> P/N: LCD1031 $5.95/each
>
> TTYL

Woops, sent before I meant too. They also have 24x2s for $3.95/each, but
they are EL backlight vs. the LED backlight of the 16x2.

TTYL

2008\01\02@160147 by Bob Axtell

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Martin Klingensmith wrote:
> I'm looking for a source for 2x16 or 2x20 alpha numeric "44780" LCDs. A
> couple years ago searching google for "LCD displays" would have been
> easy. Do you have a good, inexpensive, source you'd like to share?
>
> Thanks
> -
> Martin
>  
There's a guy on Ebay (of all places) that sells decent 4x20 backlit
displays for $10 each!
Get on Ebay and search "LCD displays". He probably sells the 2x20 as
well. I can verify
that they work fine.

--Bob

2008\01\02@160435 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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Martin Klingensmith wrote:
> I'm looking for a source for 2x16 or 2x20 alpha numeric "44780" LCDs. A
> couple years ago searching google for "LCD displays" would have been
> easy. Do you have a good, inexpensive, source you'd like to share?

One or one million LCDs ?
Surplus or factory new ?
Anything from eBay ?
What is wrong with Google today ?

>
> Thanks
> -
> Martin

2008\01\02@160623 by PAUL James

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Martin,

Marlin P Jones and Associates have some 16x1 for $7.00 @ in quantity 10.


I have a few that are 16x2, and have an LED backlight.  I think I gave
about $6.50 @ for them
a few years back.  If you only need a few, I'll part with a few of mine
for what I gave for them.

Let me know.    


       
Regards,

       
Jim



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Subject: [AD]: 2x16 LCDs wanted

I'm looking for a source for 2x16 or 2x20 alpha numeric "44780" LCDs. A
couple years ago searching google for "LCD displays" would have been
easy. Do you have a good, inexpensive, source you'd like to share?

Thanks
-
Martin

2008\01\02@161349 by Martin Klingensmith

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Jan-Erik Soderholm wrote:
> Martin Klingensmith wrote:
>  
>> I'm looking for a source for 2x16 or 2x20 alpha numeric "44780" LCDs. A
>> couple years ago searching google for "LCD displays" would have been
>> easy. Do you have a good, inexpensive, source you'd like to share?
>>    
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> One or one million LCDs ?
> Surplus or factory new ?
> Anything from eBay ?
> What is wrong with Google today ?
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>  
1 to 1000
surplus/factory new/working would be good
eBay is undesirable
"LCD displays" will get you a million hits for computer monitors, that's
all I'm saying.

Thanks
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Martin

2008\01\02@164016 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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Martin Klingensmith wrote:

> 1 to 1000

:-)

> surplus/factory new/working would be good
> eBay is undesirable

OK.
Is it eBay as such? Or is it the *sellers* on eBay ?
I'd look up one on eBay that looks nice and then contact
the seller directly for a larger deal.

Jan-Erik.

2008\01\02@164556 by fred jones

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I think if you google "2x16 Character LCD" you will refine your search better as to what you are looking for.
FJ> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:11:01 -0500> From: martinspamKILLspamnnytech.net> To: .....piclistKILLspamspam.....mit.edu> Subject: Re: [AD]: 2x16 LCDs wanted> > Jan-Erik Soderholm wrote:> > Martin Klingensmith wrote:> > > >> I'm looking for a source for 2x16 or 2x20 alpha numeric "44780" LCDs. A> >> couple years ago searching google for "LCD displays" would have been> >> easy. Do you have a good, inexpensive, source you'd like to share?> >> > >> > One or one million LCDs ?> > Surplus or factory new ?> > Anything from eBay ?> > What is wrong with Google today ?> >> > > 1 to 1000> surplus/factory new/working would be good> eBay is undesirable> "LCD displays" will get you a million hits for computer monitors, that's> all I'm saying.> > Thanks> -> Martin>

2008\01\02@164736 by Bob Axtell

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Jan-Erik Soderholm wrote:
> Martin Klingensmith wrote:
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>> 1 to 1000
>>    
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> :-)
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>  
>> surplus/factory new/working would be good
>> eBay is undesirable
>>    
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> OK.
> Is it eBay as such? Or is it the *sellers* on eBay ?
> I'd look up one on eBay that looks nice and then contact
> the seller directly for a larger deal.
>
> Jan-Erik.
>  
He's got an Ebay "store". The display module is from Taiwan or China.

--Bob

2008\01\02@165605 by Dave Schmidt

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16x2 line for $5.00 each.
Timeline

http://www.timeline-inc.com/lcd.html#alpha

Dave


Martin Klingensmith wrote:
> I'm looking for a source for 2x16 or 2x20 alpha numeric "44780" LCDs. A
> couple years ago searching google for "LCD displays" would have been
> easy. Do you have a good, inexpensive, source you'd like to share?
>
> Thanks
> -
> Martin
>  

2008\01\02@165942 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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Bob Axtell wrote:

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Right, since you wrote this as a reply to me,
who is "he" ? Martin ??

Jan-Erik.

2008\01\02@174228 by alan smith

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Displaytech is a good cheap source
 
 Try googling for LCD character displays

Martin Klingensmith <EraseMEmartinspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTnnytech.net> wrote:
 Jan-Erik Soderholm wrote:
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1 to 1000
surplus/factory new/working would be good
eBay is undesirable
"LCD displays" will get you a million hits for computer monitors, that's
all I'm saying.

Thanks
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Martin

2008\01\02@175032 by Eoin Ross

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A "-" switch on an  undesired keyword can go a long way, as well as grouping keywords together.

lcd display -monitor
or
lcd character display -monitor
or
"lcd character display" -monitor

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=ilq&q=lcd+character+display+-monitor&btnG=Search

>>> martinspamspam_OUTnnytech.net 02 Jan 08 16:11:01 >>>
Jan-Erik Soderholm wrote:
> Martin Klingensmith wrote:
>> I'm looking for a source for 2x16 or 2x20 alpha numeric "44780" LCDs. A
>> couple years ago searching google for "LCD displays" would have been
>> easy. Do you have a good, inexpensive, source you'd like to share?
<SNIP>

> What is wrong with Google today ?
<SNIP>

"LCD displays" will get you a million hits for computer monitors, that's
all I'm saying.

Thanks
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Martin


2008\01\02@175641 by Charles Craft

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411techsystems.com/html/lcd_outlet.html

I haven't used them but a friend got displays there to build a home flight simulator to work with Microsoft Flight simulator - I think.  :-)

They've had an ad in the back of Nuts and Volts for a couple years.

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2008\01\02@193452 by Martin K

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Jan-Erik Soderholm wrote:
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"There's a guy on Ebay (of all places) that sells decent 4x20 backlit

displays for $10 each!
Get on Ebay and search "LCD displays". He probably sells the 2x20 as
well. I can verify
that they work fine.

--Bob"


Bob, not Martin.
Jan-Erik: Good idea on contacting the seller directly. I'd rather not deal with buying through eBay for production :)

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Martin

2008\01\02@210813 by dpharris

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Hi Martin-

I think CrystalFontz is a good source -- nice selection, new product and not a
bad price at 10 and above: http://www.crystalfontz.com

Or, for example: www.crystalfontz.com/cgi-bin/pricing.pl?product=1602a
for the 16x2.  

Nice modules, too!

David

Quoting Martin Klingensmith <@spam@martinKILLspamspamnnytech.net>:

> I'm looking for a source for 2x16 or 2x20 alpha numeric "44780" LCDs. A
> couple years ago searching google for "LCD displays" would have been
> easy. Do you have a good, inexpensive, source you'd like to share?
>
> Thanks
> -
> Martin
> --

2008\01\03@173142 by Bill van Dijk

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: KILLspampiclist-bouncesKILLspamspammit.edu [RemoveMEpiclist-bouncesTakeThisOuTspammit.edu] On Behalf
> Of Martin Klingensmith
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:44 PM
> To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public.
> Subject: [AD]: 2x16 LCDs wanted
>
> I'm looking for a source for 2x16 or 2x20 alpha numeric "44780" LCDs. A
> couple years ago searching google for "LCD displays" would have been
> easy. Do you have a good, inexpensive, source you'd like to share?
>
> Thanks
> -
> Martin
> -

2008\01\03@181337 by Bill van Dijk

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Martin,

Oooops, that first one got away on me too quick.

I have bought several displays from Ebay store Sure Electronics. 16X2
regular $1.99, with white with blue backlight #3.98. 24X2 regular or white
with red backlight $6.95, 20X4 white with blue backlight $8.93, graphics
displays also. And of course lots of other neat stuff. I have ordered from
them several times now, no problems.

http://stores.ebay.ca/Sure-Electronics

Bill van Dijk


> {Original Message removed}

2008\01\03@192839 by Bill van Dijk

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Martin,

I have bought several displays from Ebay store Sureelectronics. 16X2 regular
$1.99, with white with blue backlight #3.98. 24X2 regular or white with red
backlight $6.95, 20X4 white with blue backlight $8.93, graphics displays
also. And of course lots of other neat stuff. I have ordered from them
several times now, no problems.

http://stores.ebay.ca/Sure-Electronics

Bill van Dijk

> {Original Message removed}

2008\01\04@082613 by Detrick Merz

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I'd have to second buying electronics from Sure Electronics, in
general.  Their stuff is well packaged/labeled, and he has always been
willing to negotiate on price when combining shipments (provided you
ask).  Not as fast getting to me as the more local (in country) big
box electronics warehouses, but for the price and (so far) quality,
it's right on the mark.

On 1/3/08, Bill van Dijk <spamBeGonebvdijkspamBeGonespamigs.net> wrote:
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2008\01\04@132812 by Howard Winter

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Bill,

On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:12:39 -0500, Bill van Dijk wrote:

> Martin,
>
> Oooops, that first one got away on me too quick.

Didn't it just!  I got an earlier version of this message, then a no-reply one, then this one!  :-)

> I have bought several displays from Ebay store Sure Electronics. 16X2
> regular $1.99, with white with blue backlight #3.98. 24X2 regular or white
> with red backlight $6.95, 20X4 white with blue backlight $8.93, graphics
> displays also. And of course lots of other neat stuff. I have ordered from
> them several times now, no problems.

I've bought quite a lot of stuff from them, and the white/blue LCDs are very good (and neat, without the overhanging PCB that some of them have) but a couple of
cautions:  Sure Electronics often refuse to combine shipping, which means there's no economy of scale when buying from them - the price+shipping applies to each
item you buy.  Secondly, I have had two occasions where they have sent a shipment short, so you have to check what you receive carefully.  They have always
sent on the missing items when I've pointed out the error, but it's annoying to have it happen in the first place.

And coming from the Far East, shipping isn't fast!  I'd guess an average of a week, but can be up to two weeks.

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2008\01\04@143817 by Lamebert

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On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 16:16:32 +0000 (GMT), you wrote:

>Sure Electronics often refuse to combine shipping, which means there's no economy of scale when buying from them - the price+shipping applies to each
>item you buy.

Not unusual.  ebay take a cut of the selling price so artificially inflated
shipping means less money for ebay, more money for the seller and/or better
value for you.

Artificially inflated shipping also effectively increases the starting
price and ebay listing charges increase with starting price.

ebay are now "Clamping Down on Unfair Postage & Packaging Charges"

They say "We are introducing this change as a first step towards curbing
excessive postage and packaging charges on the site. These excessive
charges deter buyers from continuing to make their purchases on eBay, and
harm the success of the vast majority of good sellers on the site."

while they are actually clamping down because it hurts their bottom line.

2008\01\04@150317 by Martin

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Lamebert wrote:
> ebay are now "Clamping Down on Unfair Postage & Packaging Charges"
>
> They say "We are introducing this change as a first step towards curbing
> excessive postage and packaging charges on the site. These excessive
> charges deter buyers from continuing to make their purchases on eBay, and
> harm the success of the vast majority of good sellers on the site."
>
> while they are actually clamping down because it hurts their bottom line.
>
>  


Personally I'd rather pay what the shipping costs and what the item
costs. It was really ridiculous a few years ago on many discount sites
linked from pricewatch.com, for example. Something would cost $20 and
have $35 shipping.
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Martin

2008\01\04@152333 by Howard Winter

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Martin,

On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:59:14 -0500, Martin wrote:

>...
> Personally I'd rather pay what the shipping costs and what the item
> costs.

Me too!

> It was really ridiculous a few years ago on many discount sites
> linked from pricewatch.com, for example. Something would cost $20 and
> have $35 shipping.

I've seen much worse on eBay - $3 for the item, $20 shipping!

I'm not surprised that eBay are starting to "clamp down" on this, I'm rather surprised it's taken them so long!

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2008\01\04@170728 by Herbert Graf

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On Fri, 2008-01-04 at 20:23 +0000, Howard Winter wrote:
> I've seen much worse on eBay - $3 for the item, $20 shipping!
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> I'm not surprised that eBay are starting to "clamp down" on this, I'm rather surprised it's taken them so long!

I'm not. There's no clear way to automate it.

For example, paying $50 shipping for a $20 may be reasonable, it depends
what the $20 item is.

If it's a stick of computer memory then it's not reasonable, if it's a
really old and heavy non working OScope it might be.

It doesn't even have to be restricted to heavy items. Physically large
items can be quite expensive to ship, say something like a plastic body
panel for a car: it only weighs a few pounds, and may only be worth $20,
but it can be very expensive to ship since it's so large.

eBay SAYS they will clamp down on this, and I'm sure they will hit some
people, but I doubt there's any way to stop the practice without ticking
off alot of legitimate people.

TTYL

2008\01\04@172715 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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Herbert Graf wrote:

> I'm not. There's no clear way to automate it.

Right.

I have personaly sold a lot using auctions on
eBay starting at $0.01 with shipping in the $8-10
range. Nothing funny with that, the shipping is actual
and they usualy ends at a way higher price anyway.

They have to check it case by case I guess...

Jan-Erik.


2008\01\04@174032 by M. Adam Davis

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Ebay is a huge database ripe for mining, so they can automate a lot of
it.  Further, they've integrated UPS and Paypal in such a manner that
sellers get a discount on shipping if they use this system, which will
then provide Ebay with shipping weight and size.

But for the most part the best they can do is put a button on each
auction page that allows other ebay users to flag auctions for S&H
review.  Get enough flags on an auction and an ebay person looks at
the listing.

Other sellers, who are hurt by this and have very good profiles, will
flag competitors and the problem will largely self stabilise.  This
does require more overhead on ebay's part (they have to maintain an
internal listing of people who flag well, and those who flag badly so
they can discount bad flaggers).

But over time they can automate it using their customers.

-Adam

On Jan 4, 2008 5:06 PM, Herbert Graf <TakeThisOuTmailinglist4EraseMEspamspam_OUTfarcite.net> wrote:
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2008\01\04@174918 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 05:26 PM 1/4/2008, you wrote:
>Herbert Graf wrote:
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> > I'm not. There's no clear way to automate it.
>
>Right.
>
>I have personaly sold a lot using auctions on
>eBay starting at $0.01 with shipping in the $8-10
>range. Nothing funny with that, the shipping is actual
>and they usualy ends at a way higher price anyway.
>
>They have to check it case by case I guess...
>
>Jan-Erik.

Or by complaints (typically from other vendors, of course).

>Best regards,

Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..."            "The Journey is the reward"
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2008\01\05@191455 by Alan B. Pearce

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>But for the most part the best they can do is put a button on each
>auction page that allows other ebay users to flag auctions for S&H
>review.  Get enough flags on an auction and an ebay person looks at
>the listing.

They already have this in the 'star rating' system when providing feedback.
One of the questions is about S&H charges being reasonable.

2008\01\05@193347 by Bob Blick

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I think the world is ready for an alternative to eBay. It just has to be
innovative enough to separate itself. People, especially sellers, are
really starting to hate eBay. I don't see how eBay justifies the fees
they charge, and the hassles they force upon sellers is ridiculous. Ever
try to get your fees back for an unpaid item? Two separate types of
hoops are put up, and their "free" relisting conditions are unworkable.

And the feedback system? Basically worthless, and they try to block
sites that attempt to make it work, like toolhaus.org

It's like Dilbert's boss runs eBay, with help from that cat from the
H.R. department and the weasel who writes the business plans.

Back on topic, if you want a consistent source of quality LCD displays
at a reasonable price, Crystalfontz is a good choice. You'll get LCDs
that meet spec and look great. If you just want to take potluck on a
small batch, All Electronics is good, but it's surplus so there's no
provenance.

Cheerful regards,

Bob


Alan B. Pearce wrote:
>> But for the most part the best they can do is put a button on each
>> auction page that allows other ebay users to flag auctions for S&H
>> review.  Get enough flags on an auction and an ebay person looks at
>> the listing.
>
> They already have this in the 'star rating' system when providing feedback.
> One of the questions is about S&H charges being reasonable.
>

2008\01\05@195541 by 556RECON

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Alan B. Pearce wrote:

>>But for the most part the best they can do is put a button on each
>>auction page that allows other ebay users to flag auctions for S&H
>>review.  Get enough flags on an auction and an ebay person looks at
>>the listing.
>>    
>>
>
>They already have this in the 'star rating' system when providing feedback.
>One of the questions is about S&H charges being reasonable.
>
>  
>
EBAY only will hear complaints from their POWER SELLERS. They due
several thousand dollars a month of  business a month.  If you are not
one of them you are wasting your time trying to file a  complaint.

RECON

2008\01\05@200526 by Martin K

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I have seen CrystalFontz before, and it is exactly what I was looking for.
Thanks for the recommendations everyone.
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Martin

Bob Blick wrote:
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2008\01\06@120743 by Nate Duehr

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On Jan 5, 2008, at 5:33 PM, Bob Blick wrote:

> I think the world is ready for an alternative to eBay.

There already are alternatives, but they don't have the marketing nor  
the numbers of users looking at your wares as eBay has.  In fact many  
have gone under trying to compete with eBay, so folks voted for eBay  
with their wallets.

Craigslist is great for some stuff.

--
Nate Duehr
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