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'[AD:] Microchip Embedded Control Handbook'
2003\12\31@115638 by NCS_ML

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Thousands of pages,  it's like 2" thick, and the pages are those tissue-thin
pages.

Real-world PIC applications.
Sure, it's a little dated, but algorithms don't change, and neither have
PIC opcodes.

Math routines, PID routines, serial, keyboard, I2C bus, PWM, LCD, etc.
Too many to list!

Fun reading!  No data sheets, just real apps.
A lot easier then printing out 100s of application notes.

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2003\12\31@131435 by M. Adam Davis

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I can see everyone thinking now:
"Hmm, I've got one I never use - let's see how much his sells for, then
list mine..."

:-)

-Adam

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2003\12\31@164408 by Jinx

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> "Hmm, I've got one I never use

Yes, I have and I don't - as often as I should maybe. But it is
a good basic reference IF the code is good. MC has been
cited for publishing dodgy material
.
> > Sure, it's a little dated, but algorithms don't change, and
> > neither have PIC opcodes.

Many peripherals, 10 years of algorithm research and the
introduction of the now-common 18F series later........ ;-)

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2003\12\31@172217 by Hopkins

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ahh  .............. Jinx,

Can I maybe borrow the book if I pay postage for it to Tauranga?

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2003\12\31@173636 by Olin Lathrop

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Hopkins wrote:
> ahh  .............. Jinx,
>
> Can I maybe borrow the book if I pay postage for it to Tauranga?

I don't get all this selling and borrowing of these books.  Doesn't
Microchip give them out for free?  Have you asked your local sales office?

I remember having one a few years ago and deciding it was generally useless.
I thought it was still in the bookcase, but I just looked and it's not
there.  I must have tossed it during the last office move.  I hope this
thing doesn't turn into a collector's item ;-)


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2003\12\31@191641 by Chuck Hellebuyck

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Everything has value but for some it's pennies and others its dollars.
I wouldn't part with mine since most of these application manuals are hard to get now. Every company wants to give you a CD requiring you to print it out.

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Hopkins wrote:
> ahh .............. Jinx,
>
> Can I maybe borrow the book if I pay postage for it to Tauranga?

I don't get all this selling and borrowing of these books. Doesn't
Microchip give them out for free? Have you asked your local sales office?

I remember having one a few years ago and deciding it was generally useless.
I thought it was still in the bookcase, but I just looked and it's not
there. I must have tossed it during the last office move. I hope this
thing doesn't turn into a collector's item ;-)


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2003\12\31@193339 by Jinx

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> I don't get all this selling and borrowing of these books.  Doesn't
> Microchip give them out for free?  Have you asked your local sales
> office?

They probably don't do it here anymore (I got a pile of them a long
time ago when the supplier's cupboards were cleaned out). Even
several years ago enquiring for information at micro suppliers one
of the first questions you'd be asked was whether you had access
to the web or a BBS. If no then you'd be reluctantly given printed
material. Nowadays there's so much on the web or CD the only
books I open regularly are the device manuals. I'm not saying those
old books don't have any value of course, but they are getting on
a bit. It's much better to use more recent code (specific to 16-bit
cores for example). And how have the chip specs changed in 10
years that affects code or interfaces ?

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2003\12\31@203937 by William Chops Westfield

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On Wednesday, Dec 31, 2003, at 16:33 US/Pacific, Jinx wrote:

>> I don't get all this selling and borrowing of these books.  Doesn't
>> Microchip give them out for free?  Have you asked your local sales
>> office?
>>
And isn't the manual in question basically a collection of datasheets
and app notes that are all available online?  Sure, there's some value
to book form so you can curl up without a power cord.  But that would
barely cover postage, IMO.

billw

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'[AD:] Microchip Embedded Control Handbook'
2004\01\01@112920 by Philip Pemberton
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In message <EraseME20040101001622.61906.qmailspamweb41112.mail.yahoo.com>>          Chuck Hellebuyck <RemoveMEchelleb1EraseMEspamEraseMEYAHOO.COM> wrote:

> Every company wants to give you a CD requiring you to print it out.

IME Microchip aren't usually that bad. A quick email or phone call and Mchip
will usually send out the databooks free of charge. I've even got an MPLAB
manual set from Mchip, free for the asking. Oh, and there's the 1in thick
"PICmicro Mid Range MCU Family Reference Manual" - tissue-thin pages - loads
of info ;)

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2004\01\01@113750 by Philip Pemberton

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In message <EraseME09D7F2BF-3BFB-11D8-B7E9-000A95E5DF26spamspamspamBeGonemac.com>>          William Chops Westfield <RemoveMEwestfwKILLspamspamMAC.COM> wrote:

> to book form so you can curl up without a power cord.
Hast thou never heard of batteries? :)
Though I'd still not recommend that you use a modern notebook computer on
your lap - they tend to run a little hot. I had one running on a table for
about an hour (burn in test after I did some minor repair work on it), picked
it up and put it on my lap. Bad idea - a few minutes after I put the machine
on my lap, it powered up all of the cooling fans and displayed a temperature
warning. The bottom of the casing was - to put it mildly - rather hot.
A bit of RTFMing revealed the following phrase:
 This device is intended to be operated on a hard, heat-resistant surface,
 e.g. a table. Use on non-level surfaces or carpet may result in severe
 overheating or hardware damage. It is normal for the bottom of the casing
 and the area around the palm-rest to run hot. Constant use for periods
 longer than three hours is not recommended.
Gee, just fills you with joy, doesn't it - a laptop that you can't use on
your lap. :-/

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2004\01\01@120111 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 04:33 PM 1/1/2004 +0000, you wrote:

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>Gee, just fills you with joy, doesn't it - a laptop that you can't use on
>your lap. :-/

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/11/22/1037697857595.html

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2004\01\01@124307 by Bob Barr

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On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 12:07:06 -0500, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

>At 04:33 PM 1/1/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>
><snip>
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>>Gee, just fills you with joy, doesn't it - a laptop that you can't use on
>>your lap. :-/

>
>http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/11/22/1037697857595.html
>

I'd think that one would notice the burning while it's happening
rather than later.

I suppose that his friends can now call him "numb n**ts" for a very
good  reason. :=)

BTW, what's a "boffin"? I noticed that there was no "g" on the end,
otherwise I wouldn't have to ask.


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2004\01\01@131455 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 09:42 AM 1/1/2004 -0800, you wrote:


>BTW, what's a "boffin"? I noticed that there was no "g" on the end,
>otherwise I wouldn't have to ask.

Brit (and, I guess Aussie) slang for "Professor".

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2004\01\01@150401 by Jinx

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> BTW, what's a "boffin"? I noticed that there was no "g" on
> the end, otherwise I wouldn't have to ask

Think "Beaker" on the Muppet Show

"Boffing" is not a word I'd heard before. Google pretty much
answered my own "BTW" question. LARP and/or nudie-prod
games both sound like excellent ways to spend a weekend

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2004\01\01@152056 by John Ferrell

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> thing doesn't turn into a collector's item ;-)
>
If you are running low on things that might be collectors items one day,
just send me money and I will spend it all on shipping you things I have
saved using that logic.

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2004\01\01@154830 by Gaston Gagnon

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Bob Barr wrote:

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My English-French Hachette-Oxford dictionary says:
boffin n GB expert m; computer boffin expert m en informatique.

Gaston Gagnon

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2004\01\02@150512 by Peter L. Peres

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> I suppose that his friends can now call him "numb n**ts" for a very
> good  reason. :=)

There was an article last year or so about someone who picked up his
working laptop while naked and put it on his lap, and got flash-fried
medium rare on the spot.  So he sued the makers. I could not stop laughing
at the time. I am laughing even now, although it' sad in a way.

Peter

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2004\01\03@002644 by NCS_ML

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At 10:38 AM 1/1/04 +1300, Jinx wrote:
>> "Hmm, I've got one I never use
>
>Yes, I have and I don't - as often as I should maybe. But it is
>a good basic reference IF the code is good. MC has been
>cited for publishing dodgy material
>.
>> > Sure, it's a little dated, but algorithms don't change, and
>> > neither have PIC opcodes.
>
>Many peripherals, 10 years of algorithm research and the
>introduction of the now-common 18F series later........ ;-)


true.  It does not incorporate the past 10 years of
'algorithm research'.

I mean--we've come so far in 32-bit math since then.
and *gosh* the primitive way a 4x4 keypad interface
was handled way back in 1994.  :-)

we've got the fancy hardware multiplier in the
18F series now!  and branch-compares!

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