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1999\09\17@205633 by Brian Kraut

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   I have been watching the free/cheap computer deals ad have passed
them up not wanting to pay $30 a month for 36 months of Compuserve.  I
have seen one now with a 36 month commitment to MSN at $19.95 a month.
Free $500 PC that is worth about $400.  That works out to me paying
about $10 a month for the internet service and sounds very reasonable.

Only problem is I am envisioning a busy signal all the time for us MSN
customers on the "economy" service, more spam than Piclist mail, getting
bumped off line and slow connections like AOL was a few years ago, ad
other non-niceties that would make me go back on another service and
just keep paying for the MSN that I won't use.

Any experiences out there?  Do you get the same good internet service as
the people that are not locked in?

1999\09\19@173206 by mjurras

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You wrote:
>    I have been watching the free/cheap computer deals ad have passed
>them up not wanting to pay $30 a month for 36 months of Compuserve.

There is no free computers or lunch for that matter. Look closely at that deal.
The ones I've seen
are for a 3 year commitment to some ISP. In three years most of America will be
wired for
broadband internet access, ASDL, DSL, cable modem etc. Will you still want to be
using a dial-up
then? You want free access? Look at NetZero or the like. I have not tried it but
it is free if you
want to put up with a window full of ads flashing at you.

- -Mark

P.S. I am not affiliated in anyway with NetZero nor do I use NetZero.
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1999\09\19@225034 by Mark Willis

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Mark Jurras wrote:
>
> You wrote:
> >    I have been watching the free/cheap computer deals ad have passed
> >them up not wanting to pay $30 a month for 36 months of Compuserve.
>
> There is no free computers or lunch for that matter. Look closely at that deal
.
> The ones I've seen
> are for a 3 year commitment to some ISP. In three years most of America will b
e
> wired for
> broadband internet access, ASDL, DSL, cable modem etc. Will you still want to
be
>  using a dial-up
> then? You want free access? Look at NetZero or the like. I have not tried it b
ut
>  it is free if you
> want to put up with a window full of ads flashing at you.
>
> - -Mark
>
> P.S. I am not affiliated in anyway with NetZero nor do I use NetZero.

 There are at least 3 such services, NetZero.Net, FreeI.Net, and
NoCharge.Net, that I know of.  All are Ad-based services.  There are
also free onramps in many cities (like scn.org here in the Seattle
area), thing to do is really think things through before you sign on the
dotted line - if it sounds too good to be true, Probably IS!  A friend
tried NetZero, changed to FreeI, now is off zzn.com (His brother somehow
gets him free 'Net access off there, using a regular browser.)  Also,
Juno gets you on free e-mail for free, windows based application (I have
used THAT, of all these, while down at Comdex.  Eventually, I want a
nationwide ISP <G>)

 If all you want is e-mail and basic web surfing, an old XT to 386 or
such and Net-Tamer can get you running, even off a floppy drive, with
some place like scn.org, for VERY little money (The monitor's the pricey
item!);  I've given away 14.4 modems to local people needing a modem,
etc.  You can also get access for completely free in many libraries,
etc., too.

 Mark

1999\09\19@230519 by Brian Kraut

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Actually, cheap access wasn't the motivation.  I travel a lot with my laptop and
kind of expected to pay $19.95 a month for the rest of my life to get the nation
wide
access I need.  I just figured why not pay the same amount every month and get a
free computer thrown in.

Mark Willis wrote:

> Mark Jurras wrote:
> >
> > You wrote:
> > >    I have been watching the free/cheap computer deals ad have passed
> > >them up not wanting to pay $30 a month for 36 months of Compuserve.
> >
> > There is no free computers or lunch for that matter. Look closely at that de
al
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1999\09\20@062425 by Bob Drzyzgula

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AltaVista is offering one of these free access things,
too, -- see http://microav.com/ -- I just set it up for
exactly what you say here: It is a nice thing to be able
to put on your notebook so that you can get connected
anywhere. Since my main ISP account is up all the time
(it's shared by my family through a proxy gateway), I
need *something* else for on-the-road access. Actually,
one could probably put three or so of these services on
a notebook and have lots of options in each city.

They *are* unbelievably obnoxious for regular use, however.
If I traveled more often, I'd probably consider what
you're describing here.

--Bob


On Sun, Sep 19, 1999 at 11:17:07PM -0700, Brian Kraut wrote:
> Actually, cheap access wasn't the motivation.  I travel a lot with my laptop a
nd
> kind of expected to pay $19.95 a month for the rest of my life to get the nati
on
> wide
> access I need.  I just figured why not pay the same amount every month and get
a
> free computer thrown in.

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1999\09\20@135642 by Harold M Hallikainen

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       I use AltaVista Free Access on my laptop.  It works pretty well,
and is definitely worth the price!  One thing about it is that it will
not let you look at your POP mail.  However, if you have a shell account
on your ISP, you can telnet there thru AVFA, then use PINE or other
resident email program.

Harold



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1999\09\20@170608 by paulb

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Mark Jurras wrote:

> In three years most of America will be wired for broadband internet
> access, ASDL, DSL, cable modem etc. Will you still want to be using a
> dial-up then?

 Somehow I find this optimistic.  Is there really such a rollout of
services?

 Take Cable modem; does it actually have the bandwidth to handle *many*
users, or is it just an option presently under-utilized that can be sold
at a performance premium until they fill it at which point congestion
sets in and performance disappears?  When that happens are there
actually plans to re-develop it with the extra trunks, nodes and
switches to expand?
--
 Cheers,
       Paul B.

1999\09\20@191040 by paulb

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Mark Willis wrote:

>   If all you want is e-mail and basic web surfing, an old XT to 386 or
> such and Net-Tamer can get you running,

 Enlighten me?  What is Net-tamer?  A basic browser like Lynx IIRC?

 What is *really* needed as a net-tamer is a browser which loads only
text and perhaps graphics under a certain size, then lets you right or
middle-click on the dummy icons over the graphics to bring up only the
ones you want.

 My wife (who is not Internet-friendly to start with) was trying to
read a (local) Yellow Pages listing yesterday, but the server is
massively under-powered for one, and the listings are spam-centred.
She gave up in disgust.  A text browser would have given the real
information and no more.

 I have learnt to disable Javascript and *most* of the parasites go
away, though Netscape 3 still suffers from one or two it seems and
hasn't proper (global) cookie-rejection.
--
 Cheers,
       Paul B.

1999\09\20@191716 by Bob Blick

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>   What is *really* needed as a net-tamer is a browser which loads only
> text and perhaps graphics under a certain size, then lets you right or
> middle-click on the dummy icons over the graphics to bring up only the
> ones you want.

http://www.operasoftware.com

1999\09\20@192134 by Ted Richard Williams

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>   What is *really* needed as a net-tamer is a browser which loads only
> text and perhaps graphics under a certain size, then lets you right or
> middle-click on the dummy icons over the graphics to bring up only the
> ones you want.

Turn auto load images off in Netscape and you'll have what you described
above.

1999\09\20@200625 by Sean H. Breheny

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Hi Paul,

Well, I can't REALLY answer your question, BUT I can say that in my home
town,the cable company(Adelphia,was Verto) claims that it has replaced all
of the lines on the poles with fiber optics,to handle data in addition to
the video. So,apparently,it doesn't all have to fit on one coax.

Sean

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1999\09\21@013234 by Graeme Smith

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Actually there is a text-only browser, but I am not sure the version I
use, is totally up to date....

It is called LYNX, and is part of the package that comes with linux, but
also exists for DOS/WINDOWS boxes, and winsock type connections as far as
I know.

Essentially, it translates the text bits, and ignores the graphics
completely. It registers as a "NON-FRAMES" browser, so it chokes to some
extent on the frames that everyone uses so much, and it also ignores the
inline graphics, causing some problems when you absolutely HAVE to see the
graphics, and they didn't anchor them.

Or when they map the graphics....

but you can often read the usemap directory, and link off of it, and
frames show up as a menu of different links, so you can link off of them.

If what you want is information, with graphics second, then I recommend
it, I actually downgraded my network connection so as to reduce the amount
of time I spent frustrated waiting for graphics to load.

                               Grey

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Email will remain constant... at least for now.


On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote:

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1999\09\21@013834 by Graeme Smith

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Cable Modems, aren't really modems at all....

Essentially what they are is an interface that allows you to share a
common Ethernet Network.

So the capacity of the Cable Modem depends not on its Maximum Speed, like
normal modems, but on how badly saturated the Ethernet Channel you are on,
is.

If you are the First person in your area to have a Cable modem, it is
blindingly fast, because there is no other packets sharing the same LAN
connection. As your neighbors sign up, the individual computer user, gets
less and less of a share of the resources of the ethernet connection,
because more and more computers are sharing the resource, and more packets
must be dealt with.

It depends entirely on the POLICIES of the CABLE company how many people
they push onto a single ETHERNET channel, just because the Optical cable
is capable of multi-channel operation does not mean that the CABLE company
has developed that capacity to its full extent. In short, your CABLE modem
could become as slow as the LAN in the office used to be.

                               GREY

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On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Sean H. Breheny wrote:

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1999\09\21@064551 by paulb

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Sean H. Breheny wrote:

> Well, I can't REALLY answer your question, BUT I can say that in my
> home town,the cable company claims that it has replaced all of the
> lines on the poles with fiber optics,to handle data in addition to
> the video.  So, apparently,it doesn't all have to fit on one coax.

 No, but Graeme Smith elaborates my point.  Do they actually have
separate feeds to each street or even suburb with the hardware to pipe
Internet feeds selectively to each, or just a load of splitters?
--
 Cheers,
       Paul B.

1999\09\21@085923 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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> Mark Willis wrote:
>
> >   If all you want is e-mail and basic web surfing, an old XT to 386 or
> > such and Net-Tamer can get you running,
>
       Paul Webster replied:

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*If* you unfortunate enough to have to use windows, get yourselves to
http://members.tripod.com/Proxomitron/.  It's a fantastic little proxy
server with adjustable filters to get rid of java script, pop ups, on unload
windows and many other frustrating http items (inc. Geocities pop ups).
It's totaly user configurable anf free.  I really don't know how I managed
without this.  I'm guessing that there is something similar for Linux or it
comes built in!

Regards

Mike Rigby-Jones

1999\09\21@095759 by Mark Willis

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www.nettamer.net/ is where Net-Tamer is based.  Text-mode Web,
UseNet, mail, ftp, and telnet, ntp as well.
http://members.tripod.com/~freezack/ has goodies for it.

You can run Net-Tamer off an old 256k XT or a basic PDA, it does
everything, basically.  I've been using NetScape 4.07 US, thinking of
installing Net-Tamer on the PC110 or HP200LX here.

There's a good mailing list for Net-Tamer, too.  It's fairly reasonably
priced, forget how much ($29ish?), and it's a small download, 768k max
for the 386+ version.  I know a LOT of people who use it.

 Mark

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1999\09\21@210707 by Peter van Hoof

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do you still live in the Scranton area Sean?

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> in my home
> town,the cable company(Adelphia,was Verto) claims that it has replaced all
> of the lines on the poles with fiber optics,to handle data in addition to
> the video. So,apparently,it doesn't all have to fit on one coax.
>
> Sean

1999\09\21@222034 by Sean H. Breheny

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Hi Peter,

Yes, I do (although, I am going to Cornell University which is about 100
miles from Scranton. But I still get home on many weekends and I was there
this summer).

I noticed a long time ago that your address was vertonet.com, and wondered
if it was connected to Verto Cable. I assume it is? Where do you live?

Sean

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1999\09\22@003525 by Sean H. Breheny

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Hey Peter,

I just saw that you hail from Moosic(by using the email search on yahoo)!!
Obviously, I've been there many times! We will have to arrange our own
piclist get-together sometime <G>
Unfortunately, due to school commitments,I cannot attend the ESC :-(

Sean

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