>         Is there interest in doing a bulk buy of PIC 16C84's, or perhaps
> another PIC?  I know this one is very popular due to eeprom, and I need
> several for upcoming projects.  I thought if there is interest, I would
> try to put together a bulk purchase and save everyone some money.
>         I was thinking of the of the 10 Mhz, 18 pin Dip package.  By
> getting the faster speed everyone will be satisfied, even though it cost
> a little more.  If there is interest in 25 units, we can get a
> decent discount over the 1 piece price.  If there is interest in
> 100 or 1000 it is much cheaper, I like to be optimistic.
>         If your interested, email me directly with aproximate of how many
> you might be interested in.  I will put everyone who is intersted on a
> email macro to keep you up to date.  I wished I could publish prices, but
> I want to see what kind of price break we can get first based on
> the interest poll.  (It should definately be <$10)
>
>         This will be the second bulk buy I have organized, and I will try
> to provide references if anyone wants.  On that note, I will have several
> LMD 18200 Full Bridge Motor Control IC's left over if anyone is
> interested (6 amp surge!).
>
> Thanks,
> Ben
> @spam@blw2KILLspamcec.wustl.edu
>

> Date:    Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:50:09 -0500
> From:    Chris Smolinski <RemoveMEcpsTakeThisOuTACCESS.DIGEX.NET>
> Subject: Re: Bulk Buy of 16C84?
>
> >        Is there interest in doing a bulk buy of PIC 16C84's, or perhaps
> >another PIC?  I know this one is very popular due to eeprom, and I need
> >several for upcoming projects.  I thought if there is interest, I would
> >try to put together a bulk purchase and save everyone some money.
> >        I was thinking of the of the 10 Mhz, 18 pin Dip package.  By
> >getting the faster speed everyone will be satisfied, even though it cost
> >a little more.  If there is interest in 25 units, we can get a
> >decent discount over the 1 piece price.  If there is interest in
> >100 or 1000 it is much cheaper, I like to be optimistic.
> >        If your interested, email me directly with aproximate of how many
> >you might be interested in.  I will put everyone who is intersted on a
> >email macro to keep you up to date.  I wished I could publish prices, but
> >I want to see what kind of price break we can get first based on
> >the interest poll.  (It should definately be <$10)
> >
>
> I'm planning on using the PIC16C84 in a project at work, and checked
> pricing. I need about 500 of 'em (two build two systems, each has 256 PICs,
> each PIC monitors a photodiode to check for a pulse of light at a certain
> time, and then processes the information and presents it on a common bus to
> be read by a 486. I wonder if this would be a record for the most PICs in a
> single product???)
>
> Anyway, I was quoted around $5 or so each. I'll have to check the pricing
> info at work tomorrow to make sure. If you can get the volume up, you
> certainly should get the price break.
>
> Any idea why Microchip doesn't make any other PICs with EE program memory?
> I need the ability to re-program the PICs in-circuit, so that left the
> 16C84 as the only possibility.

> Date:    Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:50:09 -0500
> From:    Chris Smolinski <cpsEraseME.....ACCESS.DIGEX.NET>
> Subject: Re: Bulk Buy of 16C84?
>
> >        Is there interest in doing a bulk buy of PIC 16C84's, or perhaps
> >another PIC?  I know this one is very popular due to eeprom, and I need
> >several for upcoming projects.  I thought if there is interest, I would
> >try to put together a bulk purchase and save everyone some money.
> >        I was thinking of the of the 10 Mhz, 18 pin Dip package.  By
> >getting the faster speed everyone will be satisfied, even though it cost
> >a little more.  If there is interest in 25 units, we can get a
> >decent discount over the 1 piece price.  If there is interest in
> >100 or 1000 it is much cheaper, I like to be optimistic.
> >        If your interested, email me directly with aproximate of how many
> >you might be interested in.  I will put everyone who is intersted on a
> >email macro to keep you up to date.  I wished I could publish prices, but
> >I want to see what kind of price break we can get first based on
> >the interest poll.  (It should definately be <$10)
> >
>
> I'm planning on using the PIC16C84 in a project at work, and checked
> pricing. I need about 500 of 'em (two build two systems, each has 256 PICs,
> each PIC monitors a photodiode to check for a pulse of light at a certain
> time, and then processes the information and presents it on a common bus to
> be read by a 486. I wonder if this would be a record for the most PICs in a
> single product???)
>
> Anyway, I was quoted around $5 or so each. I'll have to check the pricing
> info at work tomorrow to make sure. If you can get the volume up, you
> certainly should get the price break.
>
> Any idea why Microchip doesn't make any other PICs with EE program memory?
> I need the ability to re-program the PICs in-circuit, so that left the
> 16C84 as the only possibility.

> Date:    Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:50:09 -0500
> From:    Chris Smolinski <RemoveMEcpsTakeThisOuTspamACCESS.DIGEX.NET>
> Subject: Re: Bulk Buy of 16C84?
>
> >        Is there interest in doing a bulk buy of PIC 16C84's, or perhaps
> >another PIC?  I know this one is very popular due to eeprom, and I need
> >several for upcoming projects.  I thought if there is interest, I would
> >try to put together a bulk purchase and save everyone some money.
> >        I was thinking of the of the 10 Mhz, 18 pin Dip package.  By
> >getting the faster speed everyone will be satisfied, even though it cost
> >a little more.  If there is interest in 25 units, we can get a
> >decent discount over the 1 piece price.  If there is interest in
> >100 or 1000 it is much cheaper, I like to be optimistic.
> >        If your interested, email me directly with aproximate of how many
> >you might be interested in.  I will put everyone who is intersted on a
> >email macro to keep you up to date.  I wished I could publish prices, but
> >I want to see what kind of price break we can get first based on
> >the interest poll.  (It should definately be <$10)
> >
>
> I'm planning on using the PIC16C84 in a project at work, and checked
> pricing. I need about 500 of 'em (two build two systems, each has 256 PICs,
> each PIC monitors a photodiode to check for a pulse of light at a certain
> time, and then processes the information and presents it on a common bus to
> be read by a 486. I wonder if this would be a record for the most PICs in a
> single product???)
>
> Anyway, I was quoted around $5 or so each. I'll have to check the pricing
> info at work tomorrow to make sure. If you can get the volume up, you
> certainly should get the price break.
>
> Any idea why Microchip doesn't make any other PICs with EE program memory?
> I need the ability to re-program the PICs in-circuit, so that left the
> 16C84 as the only possibility.

> Date:    Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:50:09 -0500
> From:    Chris Smolinski <cpsSTOPspamspam_OUTACCESS.DIGEX.NET>
> Subject: Re: Bulk Buy of 16C84?
>
> >        Is there interest in doing a bulk buy of PIC 16C84's, or perhaps
> >another PIC?  I know this one is very popular due to eeprom, and I need
> >several for upcoming projects.  I thought if there is interest, I would
> >try to put together a bulk purchase and save everyone some money.
> >        I was thinking of the of the 10 Mhz, 18 pin Dip package.  By
> >getting the faster speed everyone will be satisfied, even though it cost
> >a little more.  If there is interest in 25 units, we can get a
> >decent discount over the 1 piece price.  If there is interest in
> >100 or 1000 it is much cheaper, I like to be optimistic.
> >        If your interested, email me directly with aproximate of how many
> >you might be interested in.  I will put everyone who is intersted on a
> >email macro to keep you up to date.  I wished I could publish prices, but
> >I want to see what kind of price break we can get first based on
> >the interest poll.  (It should definately be <$10)
> >
>
> I'm planning on using the PIC16C84 in a project at work, and checked
> pricing. I need about 500 of 'em (two build two systems, each has 256 PICs,
> each PIC monitors a photodiode to check for a pulse of light at a certain
> time, and then processes the information and presents it on a common bus to
> be read by a 486. I wonder if this would be a record for the most PICs in a
> single product???)
>
> Anyway, I was quoted around $5 or so each. I'll have to check the pricing
> info at work tomorrow to make sure. If you can get the volume up, you
> certainly should get the price break.
>
> Any idea why Microchip doesn't make any other PICs with EE program memory?
> I need the ability to re-program the PICs in-circuit, so that left the
> 16C84 as the only possibility.

>>>      Everyone out there really needs to talk to a guy in Taiwan who will
>>>      give his mother and his left nut for a micro that costs 10 cents
>>>      less.
>>>      The real world can be a scary place!

>> What is the E-mail address of this guy in Taiwan, I can't get constant
>> prices or supplies in Australia, and MicroChip offer no alternatives
>> for me.

> I'm not trying to single out anyone in particular but I'm curious to
> know whether the people who complain so much about price, etc. sell
> their own products, services, labor at bargain basement prices just
> because the people who buy from them don't want to pay very much?

> When you see low prices like Mot 6805J1A's for <$2 you have to remember
> that they're on allocation half the time, they're more difficult to buy
> in one's and tens, etc. Considering the overhead involved I doubt if
> any manufacturer of mcu's would be in business on the money they make
> (lose?) selling one or two pieces to an individual.

> I'm not affiliated with Microchip. They're just one of the many
> suppliers I deal with in an effort to earn a living for my family.

> Tim McDonough

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> With the collaboration of Steve Marchant I've modified the software
> for
> controlling his low cost PicC84 programmer in order to support the
> PICF84.
>
> Now all modification for the new 16F84 are working properly except for
>
> the BULK ERASE PROGRAM / DATA memory.
> In fact the BULK ERASE commands seems to be without result.
>
> I know that there was a previous message of Vassili Zibarof and a
> corresponding answer of Nigel Goodwin about the same argument.
> Nigel suggested  to add a "Begin Programming" command before the "Bulk
>
> Erase" one.
>
> I've tried and this solution works.. really!
>         There is only a little problem. IT DESTROY THE DEVICE !!
>
> Then at the end this is the situation :
> a) The Microchip Memory Programming Specification description does'n
> work (see paragraph 2.3.1.8 and 2.3.1.9)
> b) After a request to Microchip, at this moments, there are no
> answers.
> c) Adding the 'corridor voice' of inserting a Begin Programming
> command
> doesn't take useful results.
>
> Conclusion : I've implemented two work-around
>
> a) Bulk Erasing Program Memory
> Execute a Disabling Code protection commands (as described on
> paragraph
> 4.1 of the 'F8X Programming specification).
> with the CP bits set to "1" (unprotect).
> In this condition, you are only able to Bulk Erase the Program Memory
> (and not the Data Memory).
>
> b) Bulk Erasing Program & Data Memory
> Protect the device by setting the CP bits to "0", then execute a
> Disabling Code protection commands.
> In this condition, you Bulk Erase both the Program & Data Memory.
>
> As you can see there is no way to Erase the Data Memory only.
>
> Are there other known and verified procedure?
> Does anyone know an official procedure from Microchip?
>
>
> Massimo
> Veneziano

> Hi guys,
> Thanks to all for your help.
> In the last days I did a deep analysys on the bulk erase commands on
> the Pic16F84.
> I started from the first e-mail posted from Nigel Goodwin and from the
> fact that a brand new F84 is delivered with both the program & data
> memory filled with '0".
>
> At this point I've executed the suggested initialisation procedure as
> is described from Microchip.
> The results is that with this operation you fill all the program
> memory with the same byte that you put in the config memory for
> disable the code protection (0010h or 3FFFh).
> No modification are performed on the EE data memory.
>
> That's really a very strange Bulk Erase procedure !
> Then I supposed that something was modified respect the old 16C84.
>
> Afterthat, following the Nigel's suggestions I've included a Begin
> Prog step (without the delay) before the Erase commands and
> substituting the proposed All Ones data with a All Zero.
> Everything worked properly.
>
> Then, this is the right procedure for erasing the Program memory:
>
>       1       Load Data for Program Memory (02h) +14 ZEROS
>       2       Begin programming (08h)
>       3       Bulk Erase Prog. memory (09h)
>       4       Begin programming (08h)
>       5       Wait 10ms
>
> At the end , the program memory will contain  0000.
>
> For erasing the EE data Memory (all '0') :
>
>       1       Load Data for EE Data Memory (02h) +14 ZEROS
>       3       Begin programming (08h)
>       4       Bulk Erase Data memory (0Bh)
>       6       Begin programming (08h)
>       7       Wait 10ms
>
> Take into account that if you perform the Suggested Initialisation
> procedure before these Bulk erase commands, you will obtain both the
> Program memory and the Configuration word set to the value that you
> decide to put as config. word.
>
> For the Bulk erase (program or data memory) only, I've omitted to
> execute the Suggested Initialisation procedure and everithing worked
> properly.
>
> My conclusion is that probably Microchip changed something respect the
> past declared procedure without any notice.
>
> My operations are not defined in any official paper but anyway they
> are working properly!
>
> Thanks to all the people that helped me in such fast way.
>
>                                                       Regards
>                                                               Massimo
>

> Van: Matt Bennett <mjbspam_OUTSCDH-99.UMD.EDU>
> Aan: RemoveMEPICLISTKILLspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Onderwerp: 16F84 "Bulk" erase problems.
> Datum: zondag 15 maart 1998 23:46
>
> I've built my own programmer (a serial programmer for both the EPROM
> and Flash parts) and it programs great.  I'm having problems with the
> "bulk" erasing of the program and data areas.  My first problem is
> ambiguity in the data sheet.  In the data sheet it reads:
>
> Bulk Erase Program Memory
> To perform a bulk erase of the program memory, the following
> sequence must be performed.
> 1. Do a "Load Data All 1's" command.
> 2. Do a "Bulk Erase User Memory" command.
> 3. Do a "Begin Programming" command.
> 4. Wait 10 ms to complete bulk erase.
>
> But there are two "load data" commands, one for "load data for program
> memory", (000010) and the other, "load data for data memory" (000011).
> Ok, I assumed that if I was erasing  the program area, I'd use "load
> data for program memory", and similarly for the data area.  Sounds
> logical to me, but... it doesn't work.
>
> It *does* seem to erase the memory location that I'm currently at,

>2. Do a "Bulk Erase User Memory" command.
>3. Do a "Begin Programming" command.
>4. Wait 10 ms to complete bulk erase.
>
>But there are two "load data" commands, one for "load data for program
>memory", (000010) and the other, "load data for data memory" (000011).
>Ok, I assumed that if I was erasing  the program area, I'd use "load
>data for program memory", and similarly for the data area.  Sounds
>logical to me, but... it doesn't work.
>
>It *does* seem to erase the memory location that I'm currently at,
>in either the program or the data area, but I was under the impression
>that a "bulk" erase would erase *all* of the respective memory locations
>(data or program).
>
>So, does the "bulk erase" erase one or all memory locations, and
>if it does erase them all, how do you actually do it?  Have you
>made the procedure in the data sheet actually work?

>Hi,
>
>I'm working on a PIC16C84 programmer project. All programming commands
>given in DS30189D documentation from Microchip are working fine except
>for "BULK ERASE PROGRAM MEMORY" and "BULK ERASE DATA MEMORY" witch are
>001001 and 001011 respectively.
>
>For example, in chapter 2.3.1.8 (BULK ERASE PROGRAM MEMORY)
>the doc says:
>1- Do a "Load Data All 1's" command
>2- Do a "Bulk Erase User Memory" command
>3- Do a "Begin programming command"
>4- Wait 10 ms to complete bulk erase
>
>so, my programmer send:
>1- 000010 0111111111111110
>2- 001001
>3- 001000
>4- wait 10 ms
>
>When I read back the chip, no location of the Prog Mem changed,
>am'I missing something or is there some mistakes in DS30190D.
>Any idea ?
>
>Note: I can do the equivalent operation by writing 3FFF in all program
>memory locations but this consumes much more time.

> From: mahfoud rahal <@spam@mahfoud_rahalSTOPspam@spam@HOTMAIL.COM>
> To: PICLISTspamBeGonespamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: PIC 16C84 Bulk Erase
> Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 17:27
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm working on a PIC16C84 programmer project. All programming commands
> given in DS30189D documentation from Microchip are working fine except
> for "BULK ERASE PROGRAM MEMORY" and "BULK ERASE DATA MEMORY" witch are
> 001001 and 001011 respectively.
>
> For example, in chapter 2.3.1.8 (BULK ERASE PROGRAM MEMORY)
> the doc says:
> 1- Do a "Load Data All 1's" command
> 2- Do a "Bulk Erase User Memory" command
> 3- Do a "Begin programming command"
> 4- Wait 10 ms to complete bulk erase
>
> so, my programmer send:
> 1- 000010 0111111111111110
> 2- 001001
> 3- 001000
> 4- wait 10 ms
>
> When I read back the chip, no location of the Prog Mem changed,
> am'I missing something or is there some mistakes in DS30190D.
> Any idea ?
>
> Note: I can do the equivalent operation by writing 3FFF in all program
> memory locations but this consumes much more time.
>
> Thanks for your time and attention.
>
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