> Thanks Everyone !
>
>> I always figure a good commercial manufactured special purpose PC board
>> (double sided) is a bargain at $15.
>> It takes a bit of bad experience to reach that value!
>>
>> Good luck!
> What company offers these ? Though my problem is that most cheap
> places have horrific lead times.
>
>

> On 11/07/2012 17:37, John Ferrell wrote:
>> I don't know of a vendor that works with small quantities, prompt and cheap!
>> Since I have no personal experience with ordering to spec I cannot make
>> a recommendation.
>
> I got bored with all the toner transfer, etching, trying to through
> plate etc.  Fine pitch SMD is just no fun without a solder mask.
>
> Now I just use the service run by Laen:http://oshpark.com/
> <http://oshpark.com/> (disclaimer, I have not used this new site, I just
> email my orders).  I previously used BatchPCB.
>
> Of course you don't get boards in 48 hour mail, but with a few projects
> on the go I always have enough things to play with.
>
> David

> On 7/14/2012 12:24 PM, John Ferrell wrote:
>> This sounds like something I need to try!
>>
>> But somewhere I missed what the laminator is used for with the photo
>> process??
>>
>> On 7/14/2012 8:48 AM, Mark Hanchey wrote:
>>> Final item I needed was a
>>> laminator, about $30.
>
> The laminator is used to apply the film to the board, really that is the
> most difficult part of the process.
> The film comes with a protective cover on both sides, peeling off the
> inner side that goes towards the board takes a few minutes because it is
> hard to get the inner cover started because it is so well applied to the
> inner film, also being in a room with only red light doesn't help a
> whole lot . Once you get a corner started though it peels right off. I
> wet the board slightly and apply the film, without the water it will
> stick instantly to the board and moving it around to center it on the
> board can be difficult without the water.  Once you have it on the
> board, you  feed it into the laminator and out comes the board ready to
> expose. Once you expose you remove the top protective layer, peeling it
> off . Drop in developer and your ready to etch.
>
> After you etch you can remove the film with acetone, i  buy the pure
> acetone finger nail polish remover as I don't use large quantities of
> the stuff. Pour acetone on the board , wait about 5 secs and the film
> will break down and can be rinsed off.  Or if you want you can just
> scrape away the pads for soldering and leave the film attached and it
> makes a nice protective coating for the traces.
>
> MG chemicals , maker of a lot of pcb products has a video tutorial on
> youtube, that is what I started with to learn the process.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkQroiEJBMs
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>

> On 7/15/2012 10:56 AM, Mark Hanchey wrote:
>> MG chemicals , maker of a lot of pcb products has a video tutorial on
>> youtube, that is what I started with to learn the process.
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkQroiEJBMs Mark
>
> oops wrong link
> www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9e0H21ev7g&feature=channel&list=UL
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9e0H21ev7g&feature=channel&list=UL>
>
> Original link shows how to use pre-sensitized boards, those work if you
> want to do without the film and laminator but it cost about 3x as much.
>
> Mark
>

> Hi Mark,
>
> I see that MG sells the transparency film for the original artwork, and
> it claims to be printed with a laser printer.  Would ink jet  not bind
> to the film, or not have the proper opacity?
> Not having a laser printer, I started looking for places to get
> transparencies laser printed.  I could not find the option for
> transparency at Staples, but did at FedEx and the on line price for a
> single 8.5 by 11 was $.75 US.  Do you think this would work?
>
> As a side note, without having a board designed just yet, using kicad, I
> opened up a demo (pic_programmer), chose Plot ->  to Postscript, and
> uploaded the PS file to Fedex.  It seemed to render OK on their preview
> page.  I would physically bring the files to the office to actually do it..
>
> Joe W
>
>
> On 7/15/2012 11:02 AM, Mark Hanchey wrote:
>> On 7/15/2012 10:56 AM, Mark Hanchey wrote:
>>> MG chemicals , maker of a lot of pcb products has a video tutorial on
>>> youtube, that is what I started with to learn the process.
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkQroiEJBMs Mark
>> oops wrong link
>> www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9e0H21ev7g&feature=channel&list=UL
>> <www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9e0H21ev7g&feature=channel&list=UL>
>>
>> Original link shows how to use pre-sensitized boards, those work if you
>> want to do without the film and laminator but it cost about 3x as much.
>>
>> Mark
>>

>
>
>
> Here are links to pictures of my latest board which is based on a
> PIC24FJ256GB106-I/PT (64 pin TQFP with 0.5 mm pitch).
> <www.rjjournal.net/public_pics/bs.jpg>
> <http://www.rjjournal.net/public_pics/ts.jpg>
>
> /Ruben
>