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'Unsubscribe?'
1995\07\25@140142 by Bryan Crotaz

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I can't remember how to unsubscribe - which is embarrassing, cos
I lose my account tomorrow.
Could some demi-god of the list unsubscribe me please?
I'll resubscribe when I get a job - Autumn sime time.

Thanks for the help I've been given.

bryan

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London  SW7 2BB
Tel. 0171-594-8104
Fax. 0171-594-8065 Attn. STOIC { NOTE NEW FAX NUMBER }

1995\07\25@150941 by Greg Riddick

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I am considering using one of Maxims 12v flash memory supplies to
generate the programming voltage (12-14v) for the Pic16c84.  Wil
l using 12v reduce the programming life or reliability of the
Pic16C84, considering the normal programming  voltage is 13.5v?


'Unsubscribe?'
1995\09\26@222349 by KG Systems
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I'm sorry to be the 10^6 th person to ask but ...

How do you UNsubscribe this list?

Dan

1995\09\27@000447 by GILBERT, Mark

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>From: owner-piclist
>To: Multiple recipients of list PICLIST
>Subject: Unsubscribe?
>Date: Tuesday, 26 September, 1995 10:26PM
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>I'm sorry to be the 10^6 th person to ask but ...
>
>How do you UNsubscribe this list?
>
>Dan
You may leave  the list at any  time by sending a "SIGNOFF  PICLIST" command
to
.....LISTSERVKILLspamspam@spam@MITVMA.BITNET (or LISTSERVspamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU). You can also tell
LISTSERV
 Cheers Mark.


'unsubscribe'
1995\10\31@031106 by root
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Please unsubscribe one of my users from your Discussion List
this user ID:
.....avladKILLspamspam.....memec.apex.arcus.lv (EraseMEavladspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTMEMEC.APEX.ARCUS.LV)
because this user e-mail account is not longer valid.
Best regards
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'unsubscribe'
1995\11\02@104340 by root
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Please unsubscribe one of my users from your Discussion List
this user ID:
@spam@avladKILLspamspammemec.apex.arcus.lv (KILLspamavladKILLspamspamMEMEC.APEX.ARCUS.LV)
because this user e-mail account is not longer valid.
Best regards
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'HELP UNSUBSCRIBE!'
1995\12\01@084858 by Christopher
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an someone please tell me how to un-subscribe!@

-Crhis

1995\12\02@041111 by Wynn Rostek

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At 01:40 PM 12/1/95 EST, you wrote:
>an someone please tell me how to un-subscribe!@
>
>-Crhis
>

Chris,

Send a message to spamBeGoneLISTSERVspamBeGonespamMITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following body:

SIGNOFF PICLIST

That's supposed to do it.  (The list server is a different address from the
mail burster.)

Wynn Rostek

'Unsubscribe Suggestion'
1995\12\03@012900 by Ben L Wirz

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       There seems to be constant confusion and wasted bandwidth about
unsubscribing from the PIClist.  I suggest the maintainer add a sig line
to all messages explaining how to unscribe from the list.  This works
sucessfully on other list servers.  At least then you can make fun of
anyone who can't figure out how to get unsubscribed:)

Ben,

Ben Wirz                Check out My Home Page for Great Deals on Bulk
                       Buy Electronics (LMD 18200 H Bridge and PIC 16C84)
TakeThisOuTblw2EraseMEspamspam_OUTcec.wustl.edu      http://cec.wustl.edu/~blw2/index.html

1995\12\03@024937 by Eric Smith

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> At least then you can make fun of
> anyone who can't figure out how to get unsubscribed:)

Well, I won't make fun of them since I've been totally unable to
unsubscribe my old email address (RemoveMEericspamTakeThisOuTtelebit.com) based on the
instructions.  The list server may be sending it to an address on a
specific machine inside Telebit, but I can't figure out which one, and
I've tried sending unsubscribe messages from all the likely candidates.
I've even tried forgeing (sp?) unsubscribe messages from machines that I
can't actually send email from.

I currently get two copies of everything since my old email address currently
forwards to the new address.  I have my .procmailrc file set up so that the
copy that gets forwarded from my old address goes directly into the bit
bucket.  At some point the old address will start bouncing everything, so I
guess either

1) the list server will automatically unsubscribe it
2) the list server will complain to Jory, who will unsubscribe it
3) the bounces will get to the list itself, and annoy everyone else so
  much that *they* all unsubscribe themselves

Hopefully it won't be #3.

Cheers,
Eric

1995\12\11@072258 by l Fernando Lopes Loureiro

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unsubscribe piclist

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'unsubscribe'
1996\03\31@115531 by Per Bunch
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How do I unsubscribe the list?


Sincerely

Per Bunch
Per Bunch

'How to unsubscribe?'
1996\03\31@115534 by Per Bunch

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Hi

How do I unsubscribe the PIC list?

Sincerely

Per Bunch
Per Bunch


'unsubscribe piclist'
1996\04\17@103536 by Walter Crauwels
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Date    17/4/96
Subject unsubscribe piclist
From    Walter Crauwels
To      pic picc

                     Subject:                              Time:  15:42
 OFFICE MEMO         unsubscribe piclist                   Date:
17-04-1996
unsubscribe piclist
help

1996\04\17@105952 by Walter Crauwels

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Date    17/4/96
Subject unsubscribe piclist
>From    Walter Crauwels
To      pic picc

                     Subject:                              Time:  15:42
 OFFICE MEMO         unsubscribe piclist                   Date:
17-04-1996
unsubscribe piclist
help


'How to unsubscribe?'
1996\05\01@165240 by derek
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yes how do you do it!!!!

>Hi
>
>How do I unsubscribe the PIC list?
>
>Sincerely
>
>Per Bunch
>Per Bunch


Teleworking - a way of life.
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'UNSUBSCRIBE LUCA BRODINI'
1996\05\03@094909 by Luca Brodini

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'unsubscribe piclist'
1996\05\24@073942 by Walter Crauwels

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Date    24/5/96
Subject unsubscribe piclist
From    Walter Crauwels
To      pic pic

                     Subject:                              Time:  13:34
 OFFICE MEMO         unsubscribe piclist                   Date:
24-05-1996
unsubscribe piclist


'Unsubscribe'
1996\09\23@131214 by Walter Crauwels
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Date    23/9/96
Subject Unsubscribe
From    Walter Crauwels
To      pic microcontroller discussion

       Reply to:   Unsubscribe
unsubscribe
help

1996\09\26@235023 by Michael Go

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unsubsribe piclist

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Jun Lee
EraseMEmikeedgospammnl.sequel.net

1996\09\27@044405 by Walter Crauwels

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Date    27/9/96
Subject unsubscribe
From    Walter Crauwels
To      unsub uns

                     Subject:                              Time:  10:41
 OFFICE MEMO         unsubscribe                           Date:
27-09-1996
unsubscribe piclist

1996\09\30@145315 by bUrP!

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pleaz!
[: RemoveMEGoezziEraseMEspamEraseMECistron.nl :]
[  L*T M* B* W*cK*d   ]


'unsubscribe'
1996\11\05@090953 by peter
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piclist signof

'unsubscribe indotele@melsa.net.id'
1996\11\07@042331 by Cache doang

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unsubsribe RemoveMEindotelespam_OUTspamKILLspammelsa.net.id

'How to unsubscribe from piclist??'
1996\11\25@042949 by Joseph Tan

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nyone know how to get out of pic list. It is over loading my
mails....
Thank you.


'unsubscribe'
1996\12\08@121411 by jrbrwng
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Please remove me from the Piclist


'How to unsubscribe from this list?'
1997\01\01@142243 by Andre Venter
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It was a great experience lurking here for the past 8 months but my work
takes me in a different direction, so have a goo new year guys...

Andre

'HELP I CAN'T UNSUBSCRIBE'
1997\01\02@082325 by n/a

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hello,
               How I can unsubscribe ?????

       agsb@

1997\01\02@082957 by Clewer,Brian

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You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF PICLIST" command
to RemoveMELISTSERVTakeThisOuTspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or EraseMELISTSERVspamspamspamBeGoneMITVMA.BITNET).
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From: owner-piclist
To: Multiple recipients of list PICLIST
Subject: HELP I CAN'T UNSUBSCRIBE
Date: 02 January 1997 10:52

hello,
               How I can unsubscribe ?????

       agsb@

'How to unsubscribe from this list?'
1997\01\02@133306 by Paul Bulmer

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In message <RemoveMEm0vfWDC-000aw1CKILLspamspamaztec.co.za>, Andre Venter
<anventerSTOPspamspamspam_OUTAZTEC.CO.ZA> writes
>It was a great experience lurking here for the past 8 months but my work
>takes me in a different direction, so have a goo new year guys...
>
>Andre
I'm trying to get of this list help !!
--
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'unsubscribe pics'
1997\01\16@232648 by jandi

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        UNSUBSCRIBE PICS 

1997\01\20@222756 by ronchiu

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unsubsribe piclist


'UNSUBSCRIBE'
1997\02\19@145736 by ando Joao Gueths
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Hi all,

       I am really sorry about sending this E_mail to all of you, but I have
failed to unsubscribe this list, no matter how much I tried.
       It seems to me that the system does not recognize my efforts in order
to get off the PICLIST, and I am really pissed off with this situation.
       Pleeeeeease unsubscribe me or I will keep writing this message till
somebody gets really angry and tell the system administrator to find
some way to help me.

               Goetz

'I Cant seem To unsubscribe'
1997\02\21@084915 by Barry Bridgman

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    Hi there

    Trafic is getting a bit much for my poor mailbox so I am going to have
    to unsubscribe trouble is when I send the unsubscribe command I get a
    reply saying that I am subscribed under a different name. I there any
    chance that the list controller could unsubscribe me.

    Its been great listening to you all Bye


    Barry Bridgman

1997\02\21@110601 by all (Stephen Birchall)

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>     Hi there
>
>     Trafic is getting a bit much for my poor mailbox so I am going to have
>     to unsubscribe trouble is when I send the unsubscribe command I get a
>     reply saying that I am subscribed under a different name. I there any
>     chance that the list controller could unsubscribe me.
>
>     Its been great listening to you all Bye
>


To:   spamBeGoneLISTSERVSTOPspamspamEraseMEmitvma.mit.edu


simply put in the main message

unsubscribe piclist

1997\02\21@214513 by Hamilton Feltman

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At 04:02 PM 2/21/97 +0000, you wrote:
>>     Hi there
>>
>>     Trafic is getting a bit much for my poor mailbox so I am going to have
>>     to unsubscribe trouble is when I send the unsubscribe command I get a
>>     reply saying that I am subscribed under a different name. I there any
>>     chance that the list controller could unsubscribe me.
>>
>>     Its been great listening to you all Bye
>>
>
>
>To:   KILLspamLISTSERVspamBeGonespammitvma.mit.edu
>
>
>simply put in the main message
>
>unsubscribe piclist
>
>

It's usually a little deeper than that. After moving my provider 3 times, I
figured out you must have exactly the same email address to unsubscribe.
Why would it be different? Any number of reasons. You MUST send the
unsubscribe command from the same location that you subscribed from. It's a
security thing.



Hamilton Feltman
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'UNSUBSCRIBE'
1997\03\11@224520 by jmillien
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Please unsbuscribe
Thanks

1997\03\20@123903 by wipeout

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'How to Subscribe & unsubscribe?'
1997\04\01@061834 by Dennis Frost
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Hi people.

I have a friend who would like to get onto the list & I will soon need to
get off it for a month or two.
What is the listservers addr and what commands do I use?
I have long since lost my original subscription confirmation & with it
these details.

I have tried looking through the 10 000 archieved piclist emails I have but
it is a hopeless task.

Cheers
       Dennis
____________________________________________________
S.A. email:     @spam@dennis.frost@spam@spamspam_OUTpixie.co.za
U.S. email:     spamBeGonedennisfrostspamKILLspamhotmail.com
Tel:   +27 331 965125       Cel:   +27 83 2275216
Pietermaritzburg, South Africa
____________________________________________________

1997\04\01@082254 by Alan Nickerson

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Dennis Frost wrote:

 Hi people.

 I have a friend who would like to get onto the list & I will soon
 need to
 get off it for a month or two.
 What is the listservers addr and what commands do I use?
 I have long since lost my original subscription confirmation & with
 it
 these details.

 I have tried looking through the 10 000 archieved piclist emails I
 have but
 it is a hopeless task.

 Cheers
         Dennis
 ____________________________________________________
 S.A. email:     .....dennis.frostspam_OUTspampixie.co.za
 U.S. email:     TakeThisOuTdennisfrost.....spamTakeThisOuThotmail.com
 Tel:   +27 331 965125       Cel:   +27 83 2275216
 Pietermaritzburg, South Africa
 ____________________________________________________

Send an E-Mail to: TakeThisOuTlistservKILLspamspamspammitvma.mit.edu
With a message body of: unsubscribe piclist

You send this message from the subscribed E-Mail address.
You will receive a response that will require you to simpley reply to
the
response, This is to authenticate your request.

This information is also available in the PICLIST Archive website:
http://www.428main.com/piclist/about.html

Alan Nickerson

1997\04\01@083332 by gtham

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Dennis Frost wrote:
>
> Hi people.
>
> I have a friend who would like to get onto the list & I will soon need to
> get off it for a month or two.
> What is the listservers addr and what commands do I use?
> I have long since lost my original subscription confirmation & with it
> these details.
>
> I have tried looking through the 10 000 archieved piclist emails I have but
> it is a hopeless task.

Still got a copy of my 'welcome letter'.  Here go:

To send  a message to  all the people  currently subscribed to  the
list,
just send mail to .....PICLISTspamRemoveMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU. This is called "sending mail
to
the list", because  you send mail to a single  address and LISTSERV
makes
copies   for  all   the  people   who  have   subscribed.  This
address
(RemoveMEPICLISTspamspamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU)  is also  called  the "list  address". You
must
never try to send any command to that address, as it would be
distributed
to all the people  who have subscribed. All commands must  be sent to
the
"LISTSERV address",  spamBeGoneLISTSERV@spam@spamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or
TakeThisOuTLISTSERVspamspamMITVMA.BITNET).
It is  very important to understand  the difference between the  two,
but
fortunately it  is not complicated.  The LISTSERV  address is like  a
FAX
number that connects you to a machine, whereas the list address is like
a
normal voice line connecting  you to a person. If you  make a mistake
and
dial the FAX number when you wanted  to talk to someone on the phone,
you
will quickly  realize that you used  the wrong number and  call again.
No
harm will have been done. If on the other hand you accidentally make
your
FAX call  someone's voice  line, the  person receiving  the call  will
be
inconvenienced, especially if your FAX then re-dials every 5 minutes.
The
fact that  most people  will eventually  connect the  FAX machine  to
the
voice line to  allow the FAX to  go through and make the  calls stop
does
not mean  that you  should continue  to send FAXes  to the  voice
number.
People would just get mad at you.  It works pretty much the same way
with
mailing  lists, with  the difference  that  you are  calling hundreds
or
thousands of people  at the same time, and consequently  you can expect
a
lot of people to get upset if  you consistently send commands to the
list
address.

You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF PICLIST"
command
to LISTSERVEraseMEspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or RemoveMELISTSERVEraseMEspamspam_OUTMITVMA.BITNET). You can also
tell
LISTSERV how you want  it to confirm the receipt of  messages you send
to
the list.  If you  do not trust  the system, send  a "SET  PICLIST
REPRO"
command and LISTSERV will  send you a copy of your  own messages, so
that
you can see that  the message was distributed and did  not get damaged
on
the  way. After  a while  you  may find  that this  is getting
annoying,
especially if  your mail program  does not tell  you that the  message
is
from you when it  informs you that new mail has  arrived from PICLIST.
If
you send  a "SET PICLIST ACK  NOREPRO" command, LISTSERV will  mail you
a
short acknowledgement instead, which will  look different in your
mailbox
directory. With most mail programs you will know immediately that this
is
an  acknowledgement  you  can  read  later. Finally,  you  can  turn
off
acknowledgements completely with "SET PICLIST NOACK NOREPRO".

Following  instructions from  the list  owner, your  subscription
options
have been set to "MIME" rather than the usual LISTSERV defaults. For
more
information about subscription options, send a "QUERY PICLIST" command
to
@spam@LISTSERVRemoveMEspamEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or EraseMELISTSERVspam@spam@MITVMA.BITNET).

Contributions sent to this list are automatically archived. You can get
a
list of the available archive files by sending an "INDEX PICLIST"
command
to  @spam@LISTSERVspam_OUTspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU  (or  spamBeGoneLISTSERVEraseMEspamMITVMA.BITNET). You  can
then
order  these  files  with  a  "GET PICLIST  LOGxxxx"  command,  or
using
LISTSERV's database  search facilities.  Send an "INFO  DATABASE"
command
for more information on the latter.

This  list is  available  in digest  form.  If you  wish  to receive
the
digested  version  of the  postings,  just  issue  a SET  PICLIST
DIGEST
command.

Please note that  it is presently possible for other  people to
determine
that  you are  signed up  to the  list through  the use  of the
"REVIEW"
command,  which  returns   the  e-mail  address  and  name   of  all
the
subscribers. If  you do not  want your name to  be visible, just  issue
a
"SET PICLIST CONCEAL" command.

More  information on  LISTSERV  commands  can be  found  in the
LISTSERV
reference  card, which  you can  retrieve  by sending  an "INFO
REFCARD"
command to LISTSERVspamBeGonespamMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or RemoveMELISTSERV@spam@spamspamBeGoneMITVMA.BITNET).

Gustaf

'Thanks all for Subscribe & unsubscribe info'
1997\04\02@032359 by Dennis Frost

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----------------------------------------------

Thanks everyone for the info on how to subscribe & unsubscribe. I promise
not to lose it again! (Hopefully)

Dennis
____________________________________________________
S.A. email:     .....dennis.frost@spam@spamEraseMEpixie.co.za
U.S. email:     .....dennisfrostRemoveMEspamhotmail.com
Tel:   +27 331 965125       Cel:   +27 83 2275216
Pietermaritzburg, South Africa
____________________________________________________

'unsubscribe pics'
1997\04\14@113148 by j.tang

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Dear sir
   I would like to unsubscrible pics, thank you.


'UNSUBSCRIBE'
1997\05\19@143737 by Frank F
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                                      Thanks
                                      Frank FTB

1997\05\20@020045 by elina_e

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Frank F wrote:
>
>                                        Thanks
>                                        Frank FTB

To Frank,
Please unsubscribe me to the Piclist.
I have requested before, but the email keeps pouring in!

Regards
Alon Boyarski

1997\05\20@160911 by Laurent Montagna

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...Amities
..Laurent


'UNSUBSCRIBE'
1997\06\05@094358 by Per Nutzmann
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/PN

1997\06\09@090840 by Neil Johnson

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Neil Johnson...

1997\06\09@145039 by Gene Silvernail

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Thank You

1997\06\10@040546 by j.tang

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j.tang

1997\06\11@024609 by Claude Wright

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Claude Wright

1997\06\11@024824 by Bruno Rodeghiero

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At 09.02 10/06/97 GMT+0, j.tang wrote:
>j.tang
Usually I reply Directly to UNSUBSCRIBE messages..
Anyway I think It could b useful to remind the unsubscibing procedure
also ON THE PICLIST.. I hope (we hope) it will save some other annoying
UNSUBSCRIBE MESSAGE..

To j.tang:

You used THE WRONG ADDRESS to unsubscribe..and WRONG SYNTAX.

Send a message to THIS ADDRESS :

.....LISTSERVSTOPspamspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU

You could simply click on the following , il your mailer is correctly
configured
<LISTSERVEraseMEspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>

Use:
Subject: SIGNOFF PICLIST
Text : SIGNOFF PICLIST

No signature, no any other text.
It works.
Best regards

================================
Bruno Rodeghiero i3RGH
Bassano del Grappa (VI) ITALY
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1997\06\12@052151 by Edward Witte

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1997\06\13@010923 by Claude Wright

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1997\06\13@011927 by tjaart

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Claude Wright wrote:
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> UNSUBSCRIBE etc..
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1997\06\24@224712 by Jiri Orlt

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1997\06\24@235652 by Gerhard Fiedler

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At 11:27 24/06/97 -0700, Talec Engineering Ltd. wrote:
>I find it _appalling_, the rudeness expressed by human beings that hide
>behind the
>Internet. Would you say, what you just did, face to face??? Can you not
>extend a bit of courtesy to people.
>
>I have only been involved with the PICLIST for about a month, and have found
>a fair amount of your type of comments, and other miscellaneous,
>inappropriate, correspondence for this net.

This is my first (I think :-) and last (I hope :-) comment to these
unsubscribe messages.

This mailing list, as many other useful Internet resources, is organized by
SOMEBODY, who does this FOR FREE. Just for the fun of it, or because (s)he
thinks it does good to the world, or for which reason ever. (Here I might
direct a fullhearted "thank you" to whoever is this person here... :-)

Therefore I think the MINIMUM RESPECT one can show for these people who do
so is to -- at least -- READ the INTRODUCTORY MESSAGES which come right
after you subscribe. The piclist was the first mailing list I ever
subscribed to, but I had NO PROBLEM AT ALL to understand the very clear and
concise explanations I received shortly after subscribing on how to
unsubscribe and do other things. (I in fact had once a problem with
unsubscribing which was due to some changes in my email headers, which were
very kindly and immediately resolved by the organizing person.)

The fact that the people who send these unsubscribe messages do this lets
assume that they, like you, are not familiar with mailing list servers (as
they all work more or less similar). In such a case -- not being familiar
with something -- it is good practice anyway (independently of the special
reason I gave above in the case of privately run public mailing lists) to
read the explanatory stuff that comes along with it. In the case of
resources which are not for free this can help you to economize loads of
money -- which is no reason at all not to do so when it's for free.

And I have yet to encounter rudeness here. The only rudeness I found was
directed to people who repeatedly abused a worthful resource for many. And
it wasn't exactly *rude*, considering the occasion (like pages and pages of
"unsubscribe" to thousands of readers -- is *this* rude or is it?).


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Gerhard Fiedler <gerhardspam_OUTspam@spam@pobox.com>
S‹o Paulo - Brazil

1997\06\25@004728 by tjaart

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Talec Engineering Ltd. wrote:
>
> At 07:08 PM 24/06/97 +0200, you wrote:
> >----------
> >| From: Richard Martin <spamBeGoneRLMARTIN@spam@spamEIDNET.BITNET>
> >| To: RemoveMEPICLISTEraseMEspamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> >| Subject: Unsubscribe
> >| Date: dinsdag 10 juni 1997 4:46
> >|
> >| Please and thankyou.
> >
> >what's the matter with you can't you read ?
> >
<snip>
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Only a month then? Wait until you also get sick of people who don't read
their
mail and expect some form of miraculous machine intervention in a human
discussion. The daily 'Which-is-the-best-programmer-under-$1' question
is
still ok, as it helps someone to get started in the PIC realm, but plain
ignorance has no excuse.

This guy has to RTFM.

--
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Tjaart van der Walt
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1997\06\25@022834 by Quentin

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Hi
I belong to two other mailing lists. Every msg that gets posted ends
with a short description for how to unsuscribe. One of them also has a
web link to the archive/faq for all those repeated questions. Maybe the
list server can look into something like that.

Quentin

1997\06\25@034633 by Matthew Harvey

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Changing servers
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1997\06\25@123946 by Mike Smith

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> From: Quentin <quintenspam@spam@IAFRICA.COM>
> To: EraseMEPICLISTRemoveMEspamSTOPspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Unsubscribe-sugestion
> Date: Wednesday, 25 June 1997 16:00
>
> Hi
> I belong to two other mailing lists. Every msg that gets posted ends
> with a short description for how to unsuscribe. One of them also has a
> web link to the archive/faq for all those repeated questions. Maybe the
> list server can look into something like that.
>
The problem is - the drongos who are doing this are obviously *not* reading
any of the actual content of the message.  Or they would be getting the
message by now.  All it would do, then is add a few hundred bytes to the
d/l time for messages...

Now, if you could squeeze it into the title...

MikeS
<RemoveMEmikesmith_ozKILLspamspamTakeThisOuTrelaymail.net>

1997\06\25@124008 by Mike Smith

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> From: Talec Engineering Ltd. <spamBeGonetalecengspam@spam@DIRECT.CA>
> To: RemoveMEPICLISTspam_OUTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Unsubscribe
> Date: Wednesday, 25 June 1997 03:57
>
<snip original post of Eric's>

> >I find it _appalling_, the rudeness expressed by human beings that hide
> behind the
> Internet. Would you say, what you just did, face to face??? Can you not
> extend a bit of courtesy to people.

I'd say - 'lighten up!' to *YOU*  Your message is a bit of a rant in
itself.

>
> I have only been involved with the PICLIST for about a month, and have
found
> a fair amount of your type of comments, and other miscellaneous,
> inappropriate, correspondence for this net.
>

Skimming thru such messages takes up such a little time.  Grin and bear it.

> It is unforntunate that this net is being utilized as a general social
net,
> as well as the purpose for which it was intended. This world would be suc
a
> better place to live if we all treated everyone with dignity and respect.
>

Thats life.  Have you considered that some on this list perhaps do not mind
the social aspect?

> The tool that the PICLIST is _supposed_ to be, is only as good as the
> toolmakers that use it!

Is, not is _supposed_ to be.  Stay on here and you'll get -
- advice on s/w tools such as compilers, interpreters, assemblers;
hardware, such as emulators, programmers, new chips
- circuit ideas
- code ideas
- interesting web urls
- fierce flamewars <g>
- etc

MikeS
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1997\06\26@062607 by Ian Raymond Douglas

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On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Talec Engineering Ltd. wrote:

> At 07:08 PM 24/06/97 +0200, you wrote:
>| From: Richard Martin <spam_OUTRLMARTINspam_OUTspamspam_OUTEIDNET.BITNET>
>| Subject: Unsubscribe
>| Please and thankyou
> >what's the matter with you can't you read ?
> >
> >Greetings Eric Martens
snip
> > >It is unforntunate that this net is being utilized as a general social
> > >net,as well as the purpose for which it was intended. This world would be
> > >suc a better place to live if we all treated everyone with dignity
> > >and respect.
snip
> > >Greg M'Lot.
> (Talec Engineering Ltd. in British Columbia, Canada)
With all due respect for my fellow man, I can certainly understand why
some of the Piclisters get annoyed with the blatant laziness of the few
who don't bother to take note of the content of the piclist confirmation
email that explains all about the list and also recommends NOT to delete
the msg so you can unsubscribe later.
 With regard to these few, I think that if one want's to be treated with
respect and dignity, one should also exercise intelligence instead of
ignorance (read laziness).
         This is not intended as a flame.
                 Regards, Ian #(don't know my number on the Ian List)


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1997\07\14@221852 by Jeff Seymour
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1997\07\15@050642 by holecek_mse

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For unsubscribe please send :
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body : unsubscribe PICLIST

More information about Mailing Lists Directories
http://ds1.internic.net/tools/list.html

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Jeff Seymour wrote:

> Unsubscribe

> Thanks,
>
> Greg Heinen

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1997\07\16@104427 by Didier JEANJEAN

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RTFM and please don't send this kind of mail to a mailing list. There are
approximately 1300 peoples who will read your message and they aren"t
interrested by your unsubscribe from this list.

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> From: Jeff Seymour <swbturbnspamBeGonespam.....VBE.COM>
> To: KILLspamPICLISTspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Unsubscribe
> Date: mardi 15 juillet 1997 4:08
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg Heinen

1997\07\18@024752 by Mario Navarro

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1997\07\29@170356 by isanzani

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1997\08\10@120859 by Russ
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1997\08\11@130206 by Mike

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Hi all,

Here is the unsubscribe info added automatically by the listserver
at motorola...

> To unsubscribe, send mail to Majordomo@http://www.mcu.motsps.com.
> In the message body, put    unsubscribe mot-68hc11-apps
> http://www.mcu.motsps.com/lit/faq/major.html#zubscribe

This list is not as active as the piclist but does seem to have less
people having trouble unsubscribing etc...

OK - so how can the piclist have a simple signoff unsubscribe message ?

Rgds

Mike
Perth, Western Australia

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1997\08\11@210407 by Andrew Warren

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Dudes:

It seems that everyone's tired of seeing "how do I unsubscribe?"
messages on the list, and wants PICLIST messages to include a pointer
to "unsubscribe" information.

I don't know whether Jory Bell can configure the PICLIST server to
automatically append such a pointer to each outgoing message, but
those of us with decent mail clients can certainly add one to our
OWN messages.  If you'd like to help keep the list's signal-to-noise
ratio up, please feel free to do as I've done and add a few lines to
your signature file.

-Andy

=== Andrew Warren - spam_OUTfastfwdspamKILLspamix.netcom.com
=== Fast Forward Engineering - Vista, California
=== http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2499

=== For PICLIST help (including "unsubscribe" instructions),
=== send an e-mail containing the single phrase "help piclist"
=== to: RemoveMElistservRemoveMEspamEraseMEmitvma.mit.edu

1997\08\11@232655 by Mike Smith

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-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Warren <KILLspamfastfwdspamspamBeGoneIX.NETCOM.COM>
To: PICLISTspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU <RemoveMEPICLISTspamBeGonespamRemoveMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, 12 August 1997 10:35
Subject: Pointer to "Unsubscribe" Info



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Nice idea - are there clients that can put a certain signature on for a
certain target address?  One wouldn't want this on all ones mail...

Another idea - once this pointer is on a lot of mail, cut and paste will do
the trick.  For instance, when replying, just omit to cut the link off (like
I've done for this)  Only disadvantage will be the build-up of >> symbols.

>
>=== For PICLIST help (including "unsubscribe" instructions),
>=== send an e-mail containing the single phrase "help piclist"
>=== to: KILLspamlistservspamBeGonespammitvma.mit.edu

MikeS
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1997\08\12@013601 by tjaart

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Andrew Warren wrote:
> If you'd like to help keep the list's signal-to-noise
> ratio up, please feel free to do as I've done and add a few lines to
> your signature file.
>
> -Andy
>
> === Andrew Warren - fastfwdspamBeGonespamspamBeGoneix.netcom.com
> === Fast Forward Engineering - Vista, California
> === http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2499
>
> === For PICLIST help (including "unsubscribe" instructions),
> === send an e-mail containing the single phrase "help piclist"
> === to: spamBeGonelistservspammitvma.mit.edu

You mean, like this :

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Friendly Regards

Tjaart van der Walt
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> === Andrew Warren - RemoveMEfastfwdspamspamix.netcom.com
> === Fast Forward Engineering - Vista, California
> === http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2499
>
> === For PICLIST help (including "unsubscribe" instructions),
> === send an e-mail containing the single phrase "help piclist"
> === to: TakeThisOuTlistservspamspamRemoveMEmitvma.mit.edu

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1997\08\12@025018 by Andrew Warren

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Mike Smith <Mike Smith <KILLspamPICLISTspamspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU>> wrote:

> Nice idea - are there clients that can put a certain signature on
> for a certain target address?

   Mike:

   I don't know, but I'm sure one exists.

   However, many mail clients allow you to MANUALLY choose from a
   selection of signature files.  Pegasus Mail, for example, lets
   you select one of nine signature files as your default, then
   manually choose any of the others on a per-message basis.

   I sometimes use a bug-ridden kludge of a Pegasus extension to
   automatically select a signature file based on the message
   content -- watch what happens, for instance, when I use the word
   " dyno " in this message -- but it's just as easy to get in the
   habit of manually selecting the appropriate signature file when
   you send your mail.

   Pegasus Mail, which many people believe to be the best mail
   client for Windows (3.11, 95, and NT), is available for free
   (it's not even shareware!) from:

       http://www.pegasus.usa.com

   -Andy

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'Unsubscribe info'
1997\08\12@025850 by blunn

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Bob Lunn
08/12/97 12:34 PM


> OK - so how can the piclist have a simple signoff
> unsubscribe message ?

    Well, I suppose Jory Bell would have to set it up.

    But...  The piclist averages about 50 messages per
    day.  Add two lines per message.  100 extra message
    lines per day.  That's the equivalent of about 20
    unsubscribe messages per day!

    We wouldn't average more than two unsubscribe messages
    per week at the moment.

    So to solve the problem of two dud messages per week
    we introduce twenty (equivalent) dud messages per day?

___Bob

1997\08\12@050954 by Mike

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At 12:34 PM 8/12/97 +301000, you wrote:

>
>     So to solve the problem of two dud messages per week
>     we introduce twenty (equivalent) dud messages per day?

No Bob.

We do not add messages we add TWO LINES to each posted message.

Your implication of adding 20 messages just for unsubscription info
is highly skewed and very misleading - are you in government ;-) ?

Rgds

Mike
Perth, Western Australia


Some say there is no magic but, all things begin with thought then it becomes
academic, then some poor slob works out a practical way to implement all that
theory, this is called Engineering - for most people another form of magic.
                                                                      Massen

1997\08\12@085726 by Mike Smith

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From: EraseMEblunnSTOPspamspamRemoveMEKEYCORP.COM.AU <spam_OUTblunnRemoveMEspamEraseMEKEYCORP.COM.AU>
To: TakeThisOuTPICLISTRemoveMEspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <EraseMEPICLISTRemoveMEspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, 12 August 1997 16:29
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe info



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To reduce it to actual stats - its about 150 characters / msg.  150 x 50 =
7500.  Assume a 28k modem.  28000 / 10 = 2880.  7500 / 2880 = 2.6 seconds.
This assumes the modem has 10 bits per byte, and doesn't perform any
compression.  Reality says it will, being ascii.  So should we worry that
our d/l takes less than 2.6 seconds more?

MikeS
<spammikesmith_oz.....spamspamrelaymail.net>

'Pointer to "Unsubscribe" Info'
1997\08\12@172039 by Ian Raymond Douglas

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Personally, when I log on every few days and sift through my 200 odd
emails just from this list, I don't want extra storage space taken up by
200 odd copies of the same message on how to unsubscribe for people
who ask "how do I unsubscribe please because I was too
bloody lazy to save or read the initial info message when I subscribed?"
  Would it be easier to just have a message containing a pointer to help
for the piclist that would be sent maybe once a week or thereabouts so it
can be easily deleted by those not interested and any more unsubscribe
request can be rightly and deservedly passed on to Eric when he's back
from hols for appropriate flaming :-)
On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Andrew Warren wrote:

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1997\08\12@185658 by Shane Nelson

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On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, Ian Raymond Douglas wrote:

>    Would it be easier to just have a message containing a pointer to help
> for the piclist that would be sent maybe once a week or thereabouts so it
> can be easily deleted by those not interested and any more unsubscribe
> request can be rightly and deservedly passed on to Eric when he's back
> from hols for appropriate flaming :-)

Anyone with a clue, would never have to see the FAQ/faq pointer.
Just setup some simple filters to delete it.

Anyone who might be tempted to send an unsubscribe message
to the list, would most likely have not figured out how to
setup filters yet, so would  get a weekly reminder of the
correct procedure.

Simple. :)



-Shane.


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1997\08\12@231757 by blunn

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Bob Lunn
08/13/97 01:19 PM


> Anyone with a clue, would never have to see the FAQ/faq
> pointer.  Just setup some simple filters to delete it.

    By the same token, nobody ever needs to see an
    unsubscribe message.  Filter every message with
    "unsubscribe" in the subject line to trash.

    That filter also disposes of this whole thread! :)

___Bob

'Unsubscribe info'
1997\08\12@232616 by blunn

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Bob Lunn
08/13/97 01:27 PM


> We do not add messages we add TWO LINES to each posted message.
>
> Your implication of adding 20 messages just for unsubscription info
> is highly skewed and very misleading - are you in government ;-) ?

    It's all bandwidth.  Any distinction between message size
    and message count is facile.

    I'll overlook your refusal to acknowledge the "equivalent"
    in my message, I'll even rise above 'skewed' and 'misleading'
    (I'm nothing if not civilised), but how dare you imply that I
    might be a leech on the body politic!

    And anyway, who said the provision of bandwith was a "core
    promise".  :)

___Bob

'Unsubscribe,FAQ'
1997\08\13@022633 by David Duffy

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I'd guess that a lot of people get the 'Digest' version of PICLIST, so
how about a single SMALL message at end of each days digest ? That will
use much smaller headroom than on each & every message ! The users that
get individual messages probably don't need/want the FAQ,etc message.
Or is it just me thinking that way ?  :-)  BTW, I get digest version.
And yes, people SHOULD keep the initial message they get on sign-up !
______________________________________
Dave Duffy, Audio Visual Devices
Unit 8, 9-11 Trade Street
Cleveland Qld 4163 Australia
Ph: +61 7 38210362 Fax: +61 7 38210281
E-mail: @spam@AVDspamspamKILLspammailbox.uq.edu.au
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1997\08\17@152307 by Larry Francis

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1997\08\18@105810 by Nacho

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1997\08\19@164801 by Fischer Pierre

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1997\08\20@041741 by Christopher So

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1997\08\20@063044 by HANS BRANDSMA

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1997\08\20@083156 by Jeff Seymour

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'suggestion as to Re: UNSUBSCRIBE'
1997\08\20@085025 by Roger Books

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Is there some way to set up a filter so everyone in the world doesn't
get messages from the list with UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject line?  This
seems to me to be the one biggest source of noise from the list.  Maybe
a filter with UNSUBSCRIBE cut out to those on the list and an automated
response that told the sender how to unsubscribe?

I don't know how much control the users have on MIT's list server, so
if this is impossible just ignore it.

Roger

1997\08\20@143114 by Ian Cameron

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> Is there some way to set up a filter so everyone in the world doesn't
> get messages from the list with UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject line?  This
> seems to me to be the one biggest source of noise from the list.  Maybe
> a filter with UNSUBSCRIBE cut out to those on the list and an automated
> response that told the sender how to unsubscribe?
>
> I don't know how much control the users have on MIT's list server, so
> if this is impossible just ignore it.

It should be possible to do something like this using procmail as a
front end on the list server address, using it to forward all
legitimate mail on to the list, and do something else with subscribe
and unsubscribe requests.

It should be possible to configure procmail in such a way that you
could:

1 Delete subscribe and unsubscribe requests.
2 Reply to the sender with a help text on subscribing/unsubscribing.
3 Silently do what the sender originally intended.

If you are getting really tired of these messages, you could filter
mail locally using procmail, or a reasonable Windoze mailer which
allows mail filtering.

I use procmail to delete junk mail here, and it works reasonably
well.  At the moment I do not delete the subscribe/unsubscribe
requests but maybe I will soon !

What I find incredible is that after a flood of messages on the topic
of how to deal with these requests which get sent to the list, three
messages have subsequently appeared on the list requesting
unsubscription !  No wonder these people are unsubscribing, they
obviously don't read the list, either that or they're brain dead :-)

Cheers, Ian.

1997\08\20@183421 by Martin R. Green

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What's equally as strange, this list is a standard listserver.  Every list
I've ever been on uses the same method to unsubscribe, it's not like
PICLIST uses non-standard commands.  Also, as is the case on every list
I've ever subscribed to, the first thing you get when you subscribe is
instructions for, among other things, unsubscribing!  What do people do
with these things?

Sigh...

Oh well.

Martin R. Green
TakeThisOuTelimarspambigfoot.com

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From:   Ian Cameron[SMTP:spamBeGoneI.A.CameronKILLspamspamTakeThisOuTOPEN.AC.UK]
Sent:   Wednesday, August 20, 1997 3:29 PM
To:     EraseMEPICLIST.....spamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:        Re: suggestion as to Re: UNSUBSCRIBE

> Is there some way to set up a filter so everyone in the world doesn't
> get messages from the list with UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject line?  This
> seems to me to be the one biggest source of noise from the list.  Maybe
> a filter with UNSUBSCRIBE cut out to those on the list and an automated
> response that told the sender how to unsubscribe?
>
> I don't know how much control the users have on MIT's list server, so
> if this is impossible just ignore it.


It should be possible to do something like this using procmail as a
front end on the list server address, using it to forward all
legitimate mail on to the list, and do something else with subscribe
and unsubscribe requests.

It should be possible to configure procmail in such a way that you
could:

1 Delete subscribe and unsubscribe requests.
2 Reply to the sender with a help text on subscribing/unsubscribing.
3 Silently do what the sender originally intended.

If you are getting really tired of these messages, you could filter
mail locally using procmail, or a reasonable Windoze mailer which
allows mail filtering.

I use procmail to delete junk mail here, and it works reasonably
well.  At the moment I do not delete the subscribe/unsubscribe
requests but maybe I will soon !

What I find incredible is that after a flood of messages on the topic
of how to deal with these requests which get sent to the list, three
messages have subsequently appeared on the list requesting
unsubscription !  No wonder these people are unsubscribing, they
obviously don't read the list, either that or they're brain dead :-)

Cheers, Ian.

1997\08\20@185339 by William Chops Westfield

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   What's equally as strange, this list is a standard listserver.  Every list
   I've ever been on uses the same method to unsubscribe.

Newbie!

   it's not like PICLIST uses non-standard commands.

In fact, the last message I tried to send about this topic WAS rejected
by the list server, which said "this looks like a listserver command, which
should be sent to the listserver."  So it looks to ME like the filter you're
all asking for already exists (and yet we still get messages.  Hmm.)

Matter of fact, the lists I've belonged to that HAVE put unsubscribe
instructions at the bottom of every message STILL get "unsubscribe"
messages sent to the list members.  (fools being so inventive.)

So just shut up already!  If it annoys you, feel free to forge an
unsubscribe message for anyone who asks, so that they will be unsubscribed
before they reach the "I know, I'll repeat the text 10000 times and threaten
to sue" stage.

BillW

1997\08\21@125106 by Martin R. Green

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Bill, my comments were not meant to be hostile, I'm surprised you responded
that way.  Anyway, I like your suggestion re forging an unsubscribe for the
uninformed (of course, only if they supply their return address).  It's
easy to do and does stop them from complaining in the future.  The only
problem of course is that they'll never know how to REALLY unsubscribe from
a list.


CIAO - Martin R. Green
spamelimarspambigfoot.com

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From:   William Chops Westfield[SMTP:billwSTOPspamspamCISCO.COM]
Sent:   Wednesday, August 20, 1997 6:52 PM
To:     PICLISTSTOPspamspamKILLspammitvma.mit.edu
Subject:        Re: suggestion as to Re: UNSUBSCRIBE

   What's equally as strange, this list is a standard listserver.  Every
list
   I've ever been on uses the same method to unsubscribe.

Newbie!

   it's not like PICLIST uses non-standard commands.

In fact, the last message I tried to send about this topic WAS rejected
by the list server, which said "this looks like a listserver command, which
should be sent to the listserver."  So it looks to ME like the filter
you're
all asking for already exists (and yet we still get messages.  Hmm.)

Matter of fact, the lists I've belonged to that HAVE put unsubscribe
instructions at the bottom of every message STILL get "unsubscribe"
messages sent to the list members.  (fools being so inventive.)

So just shut up already!  If it annoys you, feel free to forge an
unsubscribe message for anyone who asks, so that they will be unsubscribed
before they reach the "I know, I'll repeat the text 10000 times and
threaten
to sue" stage.

BillW

'Unsubscribe'
1997\08\26@124621 by Frank B. Scalzo

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f-scalzo@icontech.com

1997\08\27@031145 by mikesmith_oz

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On 27 Aug 97 at 12:37, Frank B. Scalzo wrote:

> @spam@f-scalzo.....spamspamicontech.com
>

I think I'll drop my signature 'help' Ppl unsubsribing obviously do
not read the body of the messages.
MikeS
<spammikesmith_oz.....spam.....relaymail.net>

1997\08\27@211135 by steven Fedor

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unscribe piclist

1997\08\28@092854 by Andy Kunz

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At 09:01 PM 8/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
>unscribe piclist
>


Well at least he spelled it correctly in the subject <G>

Andy

==================================================================
Andy Kunz - Montana Design - 409 S 6th St - Phillipsburg, NJ 08865
         Hardware & Software for Industry & R/C Hobbies
       "Go fast, turn right, and keep the wet side down!"
==================================================================

1997\08\28@151858 by Eric van Es

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Andy Kunz wrote:
>
> At 09:01 PM 8/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >unscribe piclist
> >
>
> Well at least he spelled it correctly in the subject <G>
>
> Andy
>
One of these days I'm going to crack my face open all the round my head
from laughing at the guys.

Maybe EVERYBODY on the list should mail him the message he recieved from
the listserver... you know the one you should NOT delete?

That should teach him all he needs to know about listservers....
Please don't do this to me though... it would ruin my day and I still
have mine! <Grin (about halfway around by now...)>
--
Eric van Es               | Cape Town, South Africa
vanes.....spamilink.nis.za | http://www.nis.za/~vanes
LOOKING FOR TEMPORARY / HOLIDAY ACCOMODATION?
http://www.nis.za/~vanes/accom.htm

1997\08\28@153731 by Martin R. Green

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Unfortunately, I tried to politely steer this guy in the right direction,
but his email address is not valid.  Not only did he spell unsubscribe
wrong and send it to the wrong place, he used the wrong email address.  I
think this guy's body must have rejected any active brain cells he once
had.


CIAO - Martin R. Green
KILLspamelimarspam_OUTspambigfoot.com

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From:   Eric van Es[SMTP:spam_OUTvanesspamTakeThisOuTILINK.NIS.ZA]
Sent:   Thursday, August 28, 1997 3:04 PM
To:     .....PICLIST.....spamRemoveMEmitvma.mit.edu
Subject:        Re: unsubscribe

Andy Kunz wrote:
>
> At 09:01 PM 8/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >unscribe piclist
> >
>
> Well at least he spelled it correctly in the subject <G>
>
> Andy
>
One of these days I'm going to crack my face open all the round my head
from laughing at the guys.

Maybe EVERYBODY on the list should mail him the message he recieved from
the listserver... you know the one you should NOT delete?

That should teach him all he needs to know about listservers....
Please don't do this to me though... it would ruin my day and I still
have mine! <Grin (about halfway around by now...)>
--
Eric van Es               | Cape Town, South Africa
spam_OUTvanesTakeThisOuTspamEraseMEilink.nis.za | http://www.nis.za/~vanes
LOOKING FOR TEMPORARY / HOLIDAY ACCOMODATION?
http://www.nis.za/~vanes/accom.htm

1997\08\30@182645 by Duncan Christie

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dchristie@cyberus.ca


'UNSUBSCRIBE'
1997\09\16@130010 by tim eeckhout
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UNSUBSRIBE ME PLEASE FROM THE PICLIST

THANK U


EMAIL cd01375@glo.be


'Fw: UNSUBSCRIBE PICLIST'
1997\10\08@125523 by Stomp Laszls
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Feladó: Stomp László <EraseMEstompspamBeGonespamKILLspamszabinet.hu>
Címzett: RemoveMEPICLISTspamBeGonespamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
Tárgy: UNSUBSRIBE
Dátum: 1997. október 6. 19:00

UNSUBSCRIBE <@spam@PICLISTspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU>  TakeThisOuTstompKILLspamspam@spam@szabinet.hu
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1997\11\06@144337 by g.chui
m ???@??? Wed Oct 08 10:19:29 1997
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1997\11\06@151312 by Eli Friedmann
1997\11\06@155357 by Jack Warren

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Hello.

Try this:

"...You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF PICLIST" command
to RemoveMELISTSERVspamspamSTOPspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or .....LISTSERVEraseMEspamMITVMA.BITNET). ..."


Regards,
Jack Warren

1997\11\08@074135 by paulb

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Jack Warren wrote:

> "...You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF PICLIST"
> command to spamBeGoneLISTSERVspamRemoveMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or .....LISTSERVEraseMEspamMITVMA.BITNET). ..."

 Which is fine to say, but omits to mention one very special and
ENTIRELY conter-intuitive thing ... that the "command" is to go in the
message BODY rather than the title where you would expect.  The title
can be blank (but the mailer jibes you on this).

 Cheers,
       Paul B.

1997\11\13@083920 by paulb

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Hello Jack.

> I'm just repeating what I received in my welcoming message.  Yours
> probably has the same message...

 Oh yes, and THAT message is what I am complaining about.  A good piece
of jargon it is too, because it uses the word "COMMAND" without
explaining how to make the command; that is, in exactly which part of
the mailing to PUT it.

 Some mailer systems (other than the Internet) or servers read commands
from the subject line and parameters from the body.  It is apparent from
some (many?) of these "unsubscribe" messages that the writer has
expected this to be the case for the LISTSERV system and when it does
not respond, they not entirely unreasonably start assuming LISTSERV
doesn't work and mail PICLIST instead.

 Which could have been avoided if the instruction had read:

"...You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF PICLIST"
command in the BODY of a message to spamLISTSERVspam_OUTspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU.  No TITLE
is required "

 Simple, eh?  Of course if you are the one who wrote/ operates the
listserver, it is so obvious that you take it for granted.

 Cheers,
       Paul B.

'UNSUBSCRIBE ME PLEASE!!!!!!!!'
1997\11\13@205910 by murmp93

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Hi all,
       Can someone please give me some correct help to unsubscribe.  I have
tried SIGN OFF and UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the mail with no subject
to spamLISTSERV@spam@spamSTOPspammitva.mit.edu but it doesnt seem to have worked!!

anxious...

1997\11\14@033327 by Alberto Costa

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Hi,
       Can someone please give me some correct help to unsubscribe.

Alberto Costa.
E:Mail : spamBeGonealberto_costaspamBeGonespam@spam@edinfor.pt

1997\11\14@035423 by Anton Schoultz

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signoff piclist


Regards
Anton Schoultz


1997\11\14@040211 by Peter Stewardson

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UNSUBSRIBE ME PLEASE FROM THE PICLIST


   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  /    I was put on this earth to acomplish a certain number of    /
 /       things.  Right now I'm so behind I will never die!!      /
/                                                                /
/   Return address : RemoveMEse94psRemoveMEspamRemoveMEdmu.ac.uk                            /
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1997\11\14@041802 by Anton Schoultz

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Regards
Anton Schoultz


1997\11\14@042251 by Anton Schoultz

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For those of you who keep posting 'UNSUBSCRIBE' messages
and didn't bother to save / print the reference when you
subscribed

Send a message to LISTSERVKILLspamspamspammitvma.mit.edu
with the following line in the body of the text

signoff piclist

Appologies to the the PICsters for the bandwidth usage.
regards
Anton Schoultz

1997\11\14@090118 by Jack Warren

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> UNSUBSRIBE ME PLEASE FROM THE PICLIST
>
>
>     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>    /    I was put on this earth to acomplish a certain number of    /
>   /       things.  Right now I'm so behind I will never die!!      /
>  /                                                                /
> /   Return address : spam_OUTse94ps@spam@spamdmu.ac.uk                            /
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Hello.

Try this.  (From the welcome message I received when I subscribed...)

"...You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF PICLIST" command
to TakeThisOuTLISTSERVspam_OUTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or KILLspamLISTSERV.....spamTakeThisOuTMITVMA.BITNET). ..."


Regards,
Jack Warren

'I have unsubscribed from the list'
1997\11\17@062856 by sajjad.akhtar

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    Hi all
    i have unsubsribed from the dicussion list due to .... to much trafic
    around 100 messages daily.

    If any one have any thing to discuss please send me my message
    directly. Thanks ..


    Sajjad Akhter

    email: TakeThisOuTsajjad.akhterEraseMEspamRemoveMEusa.net

'unsubscribe'
1997\11\17@124704 by steve

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steve collins wrote:
>
> UNSUBSRIBE ME PLEASE FROM THE PICLIST
>
> spam_OUTsteveRemoveMEspam.....petronworld.com


--
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1997\11\18@015042 by Ronnie Mak

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Dear Sir,

Please unsubscribe from the PIC forum
immediately. I have problems with unexpected
numbers of emails.

FYI, my registered email is

"spamrcmakKILLspamspamKILLspamiee.org.uk"

Thanks

R.Mak

1997\11\27@205608 by W.G. de Korte

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1997\12\09@114840 by bcarlin
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How does one get off this list?

1997\12\11@054953 by smooth.E.lover

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DJ SmootheLover
0378 114007

1997\12\14@171905 by Garrick A Kremesec

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Please take me off this list

'Please unsubscribe the user: jaudette@matrox.com'
1997\12\15@200224 by Karl Baker

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The user no longer works at out company and his account will be removed.


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Unix Systems Administrator                      
MIS Department                          

Matrox Electronic Systems Inc.           http://www.matrox.com
1055 St-RŽgis
Dorval, QuŽbec
Canada, H9P 2T4
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'UNSUBSCRIBE'
1997\12\16@103945 by msilver

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PLEASE TAKE ME OFF THIS LIST!!

1997\12\24@100458 by Brian

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Please someone help me get off this list.  It is swamping my mail
folder.  I tried sending a message using the information I recieved when
I signed on.  It sent back an error.  HELP!!!!

1997\12\24@105916 by utap

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Brian,
       Your welcome letter to the Pic List states.
"You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF PICLIST"
command to spamLISTSERVspam_OUTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or STOPspamLISTSERVspam_OUTspamspamBeGoneMITVMA.BITNET)."
 Happy Holiday!!!!!!
               Dennis
Brian wrote:
>
> Please someone help me get off this list.  It is swamping my mail
> folder.  I tried sending a message using the information I recieved when
> I signed on.  It sent back an error.  HELP!!!!

1997\12\26@053836 by paulb

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Dennis O'Hara wrote:

>         Your welcome letter to the Pic List states.
> "You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF PICLIST"
> command to spam_OUTLISTSERVspamspamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or EraseMELISTSERVspamKILLspamMITVMA.BITNET)."
>   Happy Holiday!!!!!!
>                 Dennis

 Yes, but what it does NOT explain is what is meant by a "command".
The BIG secret is that the "command" is something placed int the BODY of
the message rather than as intuition would suggest, the subject line,
which (contrary to the preferences of the mailer) is just as well left
blank.

 This must be the single greatest source of confusion when un-
subscribing.  How do we get someone to FIX the obfuscating text in the
list server?

 Cheers,
       Paul B.


'unsubscribe'
1998\01\23@163417 by Owe Frisk
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How do I unregister from this list.
I«ve tried both "unsubscribe" and "sign off", but mail keep coming in.
Pse help
73 de Owe

'unsubscribe piclist'
1998\01\30@192255 by Walter Crauwels

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1998\02\01@154837 by Walter Crauwels
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!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">
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1998\02\04@143651 by rstadler

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unsubscribe 

1998\02\04@143659 by rstadler

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'help unsubscribe'
1998\02\05@175023 by Walter Crauwels

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Hello
can anyone tell me how to unsubscribe @ which adress
Thanks
 

1998\02\06@042120 by Morgan Olsson

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At 23:24 1998-02-05 +0100, you wrote:
>    Hello can anyone tell me how to unsubscribe @ which  adress Thanks

Send

unsubscribe piclist

As a message (in the body, not subject field)
to EraseMELISTSERVRemoveMEspammitvma.mit.edu

You have to do it with your own return adress set exactly like when you
subscribed. (Will be if you have not changed your adress)

Regards
/Morgan
/  Morgan Olsson, MORGANS REGLERTEKNIK, SE-277 35 KIVIK, Sweden \
\  .....mrtspamspam_OUTiname.com, ph: +46 (0)414 70741; fax +46 (0)414 70331    /

'unsubscribe piclist'
1998\02\11@153318 by rstadler

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unsubscribe piclist

1998\02\14@084425 by Syd Kahn

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1998\02\14@122914 by Morgan Olsson

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You may leave the PIClist at any time by writing "SIGNOFF PICLIST" in the body
of at message to @spam@LISTSERVEraseMEspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or LISTSERVTakeThisOuTspamKILLspamMITVMA.BITNET).
Observe :

1) Do not send to this list, but adress to RemoveMELISTSERVTakeThisOuTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU

2) It don«t care about what you write in the subject field, write "SIGNOFF
>PICLIST" in the body = where You write your normal letter text.

Regards
/Morgan

At 08:36 1998-02-14 -0500, you wrote:
>unsubscribe
>
>Attachment Converted: "C:\EODORALT\Attach\winmail1.dat"
>
/  Morgan Olsson, MORGANS REGLERTEKNIK, SE-277 35 KIVIK, Sweden \
\  @spam@mrtSTOPspamspaminame.com, ph: +46 (0)414 70741; fax +46 (0)414 70331    /

1998\02\17@162601 by Ole Andre Hellebostad

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1998\03\19@084220 by allaghan
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Unsubsribe TakeThisOuTDCallaghanTakeThisOuTspamRemoveMECallaghanSystems.Demon.Co.Uk

1998\03\19@084220 by allaghan

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Unsubsribe spam_OUTDCallaghanspamspam.....CallaghanSystems.Demon.Co.Uk

1998\03\19@105907 by Morgan Olsson

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You may leave the list at any time by writing "SIGNOFF PICLIST" in the body
of at message to LISTSERV.....spam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU (or spamBeGoneLISTSERVspamspam_OUTMITVMA.BITNET).

Observe :

1) Do not send to this list, but adress to EraseMELISTSERV.....spamMITVMA.MIT.EDU

2) It don«t care about what you write in the subject field, write "SIGNOFF
>PICLIST" in the body = where You write your normal letter text.

Regards
/Morgan

At 13:21 1998-03-19 -0000, you wrote:
>Unsubsribe spamDCallaghanKILLspamspam@spam@CallaghanSystems.Demon.Co.Uk

/  Morgan Olsson, MORGANS REGLERTEKNIK, SE-277 35 KIVIK, Sweden \
\  mrtspamspamTakeThisOuTiname.com, ph: +46 (0)414 70741; fax +46 (0)414 70331    /

1998\03\27@134330 by PIERLUIGI

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UNSUBSRIBE ME PLEASE FROM THE PICLIST

THANK U

email :

RemoveMEcricriRemoveMEspamavnet.it   or   TakeThisOuTpierluigi@spam@spam@spam@avnet.it
-------------------------------------------------
\_ \_ \_              Pierluigi Zoppelletto                 \_ \_ \_
\_ \_ \_   via Fogazzaro,2       tel +39 445 511445         \_ \_ \_
\_ \_ \_   36015 Schio           fax +39 445 511449       \_ \_ \_
\_ \_ \_   VI , Italy            E-mail TakeThisOuTpierluigispamspamavnet.it\_ \_ \_

1998\03\27@134330 by PIERLUIGI

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UNSUBSRIBE ME PLEASE FROM THE PICLIST

THANK U

email :

KILLspamcricriKILLspamspamspamBeGoneavnet.it   or   spamBeGonepierluigiKILLspamspamavnet.it
-------------------------------------------------
\_ \_ \_              Pierluigi Zoppelletto                 \_ \_ \_
\_ \_ \_   via Fogazzaro,2       tel +39 445 511445         \_ \_ \_
\_ \_ \_   36015 Schio           fax +39 445 511449       \_ \_ \_
\_ \_ \_   VI , Italy            E-mail pierluigi@spam@spamKILLspamavnet.it\_ \_ \_


'Unsubscribe'
1998\04\02@162622 by Carsten Schaub
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1998\04\02@164129 by Marco DI LEO

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Carsten Schaub wrote:
>
> SIGNOFF PICLIST
>
>

Try to send the same message to EraseMElistservRemoveMEspam@spam@mitvma.mit.edu.
You should have better luck...

 Marco

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1998\04\20@040020 by Stuart Loudon

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1998\04\20@091504 by tsk196

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'How to unsubscribe or signoff this list'
1998\04\20@134612 by Michael Hagberg

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You may leave  the list at any  time by sending a "SIGNOFF  PICLIST" command
to
spamBeGoneLISTSERVRemoveMEspamRemoveMEMITVMA.BITNET (or @spam@LISTSERVspamBeGonespamMITVMA.MIT.EDU).

after seeing four postings today i thought it would be a good day to post
this.

michael

1998\04\20@140109 by Jason Sachs

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>From:         Michael Hagberg <spamBeGonemhagbergKILLspamspamKILLspamSIGNALHILL.NET>
>Subject:      How to unsubscribe or signoff this list
>To:           TakeThisOuTPICLISTspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU

speaking of meta-list postings...

is there a reason this mailing list puts the mailing list's address in
the reply-to field? it makes it easier to unintentionally post a private
reply to the list...

Jason Sachs
Electrical Engineer

Deka Research & Development
340 Commercial Street
Manchester, NH 03101
(603) 669 5139 x327

1998\04\20@161504 by Matt Bonner

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Jason Sachs wrote:

> is there a reason this mailing list puts the mailing list's address in
> the reply-to field? it makes it easier to unintentionally post a private
> reply to the list...
>
As far as I'm concerned, this is a good thing.  With 1200+ subscribers,
it's likely that many of them will be interested in the response.

Ask a public question, expect a public response...

--Matt

1998\04\21@071115 by Caisson

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> Van: Matt Bonner <spamBeGonembonnerspamSUNADA.COM>
> Aan: EraseMEPICLISTEraseMEspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Onderwerp: Re: How to unsubscribe or signoff this list
> Datum: maandag 20 april 1998 22:13
>
> Jason Sachs wrote:
>
> > is there a reason this mailing list puts the mailing list's address in
> > the reply-to field? it makes it easier to unintentionally post a
private
> > reply to the list...
> >
> As far as I'm concerned, this is a good thing.  With 1200+ subscribers,
> it's likely that many of them will be interested in the response.
>
> Ask a public question, expect a public response...
>
> --Matt

I've got 2 options here in 'Internet Mail' :  'Group answer' or 'Author
answer'.
Both go to spamBeGonePICLISTspam_OUTspam.....MITVA.MIT.EDU .  I would expect the latter to be
private mail (and have mistakingly posted private mail in this list :-( )
..

Greetz,
 Rudy Wieser

'List address strangeness (was How to unsubscribe..'
1998\04\21@073444 by n Midgley

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> > is there a reason this mailing list puts the mailing list's address in
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I'm glad I'm not the only one to wonder about this. It seems to upset
Outlook terribly - if I click the reply button, Outlook crashes. For other
reasons (to do with X.400 gateways and other ghastly stuff) it means I
can't see who sent the posting.

The Hang Gliding list, to which I also subscribe, has the senders name
in the 'From:' field and the list server address in the 'To:' field. Not that
I'm
complaining, you understand.

Just thought I'd say.

John M

1998\04\21@100214 by William Cornutt

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Twice when I attemped to post a reply and used 'reply to author'
I ssent email to the person who posted, not the list.
So, sometimes it is the other way.

Bill C.  spamwcornuttspamslip.net

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1998\04\28@071713 by J.C BOTMA

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Dear friends,

Could anybody perhalps help me to sign off from the list ?

Best wishes,
George Smith.

1998\04\28@132321 by Sujay Sirur

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Hi J. C. Botma,

You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF PICLIST" command
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At 13:05 4/28/98 +0200, J.C BOTMA wrote:
>Dear friends,
>
>Could anybody perhalps help me to sign off from the list ?
>
>Best wishes,
>George Smith.
>
>
with best wishes and regards
Sujay Sirur

Email: KILLspamsirurspamgiasbg01.vsnl.net.in
Home: 604, Chitrapur Housing Society, Plot no 68, 15th Cross, 8th Main,
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'procedure to unsubscribe'
1998\05\11@232852 by Sujay Sirur
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to LISTSERVspam_OUTspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or LISTSERVspamspam@spam@MITVMA.BITNET).

At 12:07 5/11/98 -0400, Eric Tailleur wrote:
>What's the procedure to unsubscribe ???
>
with best wishes and regards
Sujay Sirur

Email: spamBeGonesirur.....spamgiasbg01.vsnl.net.in
Home: 604, Chitrapur Housing Society, Plot no 68, 15th Cross, 8th Main,
Malleshwaram
           Bangalore 560 055. INDIA   Tel. no: 91-80-344-3688

'unsubscribe piclist'
1998\05\13@175438 by Walter Crauwels

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1998\05\14@035256 by Thomas Fleckenstein

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1998\05\14@035256 by Thomas Fleckenstein

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1998\05\14@115546 by Richard Nowak

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you sent it to @spam@PICLISTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU

There's a big difference! And it won't work.

Rich

At 01:50 PM 5/13/97 +0000, you wrote:
>"SIGNOFF PICLIST"
>

1998\05\15@214609 by Robert McAtee

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Rich I now understand why you see all these signoff on this list. I've
tried to unsubscribe about a half dozen times now using every method from
the instructions I've received. None has worked so far. I have several
pages of instructions from the list server and none work. My local server
hasn't been any help either. I can understand Thomas's attempt to try to
unsubscribe using "picklistRemoveMEspammitvma.mit.edu". That's the only thing I
haven't tried yet. Hell I'd fax or phone the list keeper if I could just
get off this list..... ==Mac==





At 08:53 AM 5/14/98 -0700, you wrote:
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1998\05\16@132207 by Ryan Stafford

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my address spam_OUTname@spam@spamRemoveMExyzcorp.com and converted it to spamnamespamspammail.xyzcorp.com which
the list server did not recognize.  Turns out, this was caused by a software
upgrade!  Check with your postmaster or try spoofing your address.

Ryan

1998\05\18@221631 by Paul Byers

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Wow, I thought I was the only one having problems getting off this list! I too
have tried several times to get off the list but it hasn't had much effect. I
still get all those email's. But now I get them twice, one to each of my email
addresses.
HELP!!!!!
Paul

Robert McAtee wrote:

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1998\05\19@104016 by Martin Green

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    I keep seeing people recommending SIGNOFF PICLIST as the command to
    leave the list, but most list servers use UNSUBSCRIBE instead.  Try
    this:

    Send an email to RemoveMELISTSERVRemoveMEspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU with UNSUBSCRIBE PICLIST in
    the body of the message.  You can leave the subject line blank.

    Also, make sure your return address is set to the same one you used to
    subscribe, otherwise the list server won't know who to unsubscribe.


    HTH - Martin.


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe
Author:  pic microcontroller discussion list <KILLspamPICLIST.....spamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU> at
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Date:    5/18/98 10:05 PM


Wow, I thought I was the only one having problems getting off this list! I too
have tried several times to get off the list but it hasn't had much effect. I
still get all those email's. But now I get them twice, one to each of my email
addresses.
HELP!!!!!
Paul

Robert McAtee wrote:

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'[unsubscribe]'
1998\06\11@143504 by Martin Cauchon
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You have obviously not read the f***ing manual!
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mistake and dial the FAX number when you wanted  to talk to someone on
the phone, you will quickly  realize that you used  the wrong number
and  call again. No harm will have been done. If on the other hand you
accidentally make your FAX call  someone's voice  line, the  person
receiving  the call  will be inconvenienced, especially if your FAX
then re-dials every 5 minutes. The fact that  most people  will
eventually  connect the  FAX machine  to the voice line to  allow the
FAX to  go through and make the  calls stop does not mean  that you
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command,  or  using LISTSERV's database  search facilities.  Send an
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the  "REVIEW" command,  which  returns   the  e-mail  address  and
name   of  all  the subscribers. If  you do not  want your name to  be
visible, just  issue a "SET PICLIST CONCEAL" command.

More  information on  LISTSERV  commands  can be  found  in the
LISTSERV reference  card, which  you can  retrieve  by sending  an
"INFO  REFCARD" command to RemoveMELISTSERV@spam@spamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or
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1998\06\12@063705 by Morgan Olsson

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Please cool down, Tjaart...

You may leave the list at any time by writing "SIGNOFF PICLIST" in the body
of at message to LISTSERVTakeThisOuTspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU (or LISTSERVTakeThisOuTspamspamBeGoneMITVMA.BITNET).
Observe :

1) Do not send to this list, but adress to spamLISTSERVTakeThisOuTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU

2) It don«t care about what you write in the subject field, write "SIGNOFF
PICLIST" in the body = where You write your normal letter text.

Regards
/Morgan


At 06:47 1998-06-12 +0200, Tjaart van der Walt wrote:
>Martin Cauchon wrote:
>
>>
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e][-snip-
>You have obviously not read the f***ing manual!
>[RTFM][RTFM][RTFM][RTFM][RTFM][RTFM]
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/  Morgan Olsson, MORGANS REGLERTEKNIK, SE-277 35 KIVIK, Sweden \
\  .....mrtspamspamBeGoneiname.com, ph: +46 (0)414 70741; fax +46 (0)414 70331    /

'Why I'm not unsubscribed'
1998\06\20@032531 by Fabrizio Trentin

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I receive the messages from the list but I'm unsubscribed, why? Someone can
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Fabrizio

This is the message that I've received by listsrv:
>> SIGNOFF PICLIST
>You have been removed from the PICLIST list.
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>CPU model:        9121

1998\06\21@094547 by Morgan Olsson

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Maybe you have more than one adress (remailer etc?)
and subscribed to that adress?
/Morgan


At 17:03 1998-06-19 +0200, you wrote:
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'Unsubscribe'
1998\06\23@130145 by Robert Storar

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'[OT]Re: Unsubscribe'
1998\06\23@134239 by Bob Blick

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If you want to unsubscribe, two things you need to do:

1) address your email to RemoveMElistservspamspamKILLspammitvma.mit.edu, not
STOPspampiclistEraseMEspammitvma.mit.edu

2) fix your mail program, so it doesn't send html or rich text, or
whatever. Otherwise you might never get unsubscribed. This is what your
message looks like on my end:

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'HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE TO THIS LIST'
1998\06\25@163800 by Timothy D. Gray

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Note : this is sent to everyone upon subscribing.

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'HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE TO THIS LIST [admin; suggest ch'
1998\06\25@195650 by James Cameron

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Timothy D. Gray wrote:
> Note : this is sent to everyone upon subscribing.

Yes.  And I suggest that the command confirmation message that is sent
out before this message be adjusted so that people have to read and
understand how to unsubscribe before they find the instructions on how
to confirm their subscription.

--
James Cameron                              (james.cameronKILLspamspam.....digital.com)
Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800

1998\06\26@071333 by Caisson

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> Van: James Cameron <james.cameronspamBeGonespamDIGITAL.COM>
> Aan: PICLISTspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Onderwerp: Re: HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE TO THIS LIST [admin; suggest change]
> Datum: vrijdag 26 juni 1998 1:33
>
> Timothy D. Gray wrote:
> > Note : this is sent to everyone upon subscribing.
>
> Yes.  And I suggest that the command confirmation message that is sent
> out before this message be adjusted so that people have to read and
> understand how to unsubscribe before they find the instructions on how
> to confirm their subscription.
>
> --
> James Cameron                              (.....james.cameronRemoveMEspamKILLspamdigital.com)
> Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800

How many times do you ('you' ment as 'the piclist-group')
subscribe/unsubscribe to this list anyway ?  I have done one of those two
once, some months ago.  I can't remember for my life what I send & where,
if my life depended on it.  So I saved my Welcoming message for later use.
But what of those people who want to join this list. Where can they get the
information about how to do that.  Only by word of mouth ....  So please,
don't be rude to people who aren't on the list already or have, mostly
_not_ on purpose, discarded their welcoming message.

Greetz,
 Rudy Wieser

1998\06\26@210840 by James Cameron

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Caisson wrote:
> How many times do you ('you' ment as 'the piclist-group')
> subscribe/unsubscribe to this list anyway ?

Frequency of task is irrelevant.  Frequency of questions asking how is
relevant.

> So please, don't be rude to people who aren't on the list already or have,
> mostly _not_ on purpose, discarded their welcoming message.

Me?  I don't think I was rude.  I'll check.  I guess you mean 'all'.

Alternative suggestion; I'm on several distribution lists, and I see the
best practices and the worst.  Add a one or two line trailer to the
messages either pointing to a page explaining how to unsubscribe, or
just the instructions.  Don't use a header line "X-Unsubscribe:" because
most people don't seem to know how to check message headers.

Where would I find data for 2SK2175 MOSFET?  Is it logic level?

--
James Cameron                              (TakeThisOuTjames.cameronKILLspamspam.....digital.com)
Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800

1998\06\29@070450 by Caisson

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> Van: James Cameron <james.cameronspam_OUTspamspamBeGoneDIGITAL.COM>
> Aan: PICLIST.....spam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Onderwerp: Re: HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE TO THIS LIST [admin; suggest change]
> Datum: zaterdag 27 juni 1998 2:11
>
> Caisson wrote:
> > How many times do you ('you' ment as 'the piclist-group')
> > subscribe/unsubscribe to this list anyway ?
>
> Frequency of task is irrelevant.  Frequency of questions asking how is
> relevant.

Frequency of question can be irritating. Absense of information is
relevant. (it's not the same person asking the same question over and over
..)

> > So please, don't be rude to people who aren't on the list already or
have,
> > mostly _not_ on purpose, discarded their welcoming message.
>
> Me?  I don't think I was rude.  I'll check.  I guess you mean 'all'.

As explicitily said above : ('you' ment as 'the piclist-group').

Think about this : You are a newling somewhere and you ask some of the
other people (who are already the for some time) where you can take a
leak.You don't get any answer.  Would you think that is rude ?   Would you
think it is rude to get an answer like 'the guys before you asked the same
question, I don't like to tell you (again)' ?

> Alternative suggestion; I'm on several distribution lists, and I see the
> best practices and the worst.  Add a one or two line trailer to the
> messages either pointing to a page explaining how to unsubscribe, or
> just the instructions.  Don't use a header line "X-Unsubscribe:" because
> most people don't seem to know how to check message headers.

Maybe a un/subscription should be done by way of the subject-line ?  Or
maybe a un/subscription message could be send to anyone who sends a message
with less than a few (maybe 2) lines ?

> Where would I find data for 2SK2175 MOSFET?  Is it logic level?

Can't answer that one :-)

> --
> James Cameron                              (@spam@james.cameronspamspamdigital.com)
> Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800

Greetz,
 Rudy Wieser


'Unsubscribe'
1998\07\15@192452 by tmreyco
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cellphones?
> How many lives saved (and we can really document those), how much more
> productivity?
>
> Everything's got two sides to it, but I'm sure there are those who make a
> living scare-mongering imaginary problems rather than facing real ones.

'[unsubscribe]'
1998\07\22@011301 by tmreyco

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'Please don't [unsubscribe]'
1998\07\22@023252 by tjaart

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Manuel G. Reyes wrote:

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I have a feeling this guy also thinks an escalator moves quicker if he hits the
button many times.
Sigh.

THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT EMAIL ADDRESSES
1) PICLIST   = this list
2) LISTSERV  = the address to send command to

If you can't grasp this, you should ask someone that has more than two
neurons knocking together in the IQ department to help you.

To recap (again) :

Point 1 :
You may leave the list at any time by writing "SIGNOFF PICLIST" in the body
of at message to .....LISTSERV@spam@spamspamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or STOPspamLISTSERVTakeThisOuTspamMITVMA.BITNET).

Point 2 :
The list server doesn't give a shit if you write 'unsubscribe' ten gazillion times in any
number of messages to the list (TakeThisOuTPICLIST@spam@spamMITVA.MIT.EDU). This is for the Piclist
traffic.

Point 3 :
If you have your email address changed, and try to send commands to the server,
you will have to fool it into thinking that it was sent from you old address. Even
better, unsubscribe BEFORE changing you email address.

Point 4 :
You may think your email looks snazzy with all the HTML turds in it, but to
the rest of the world, it is a pain in the ass. Not only is it only unsupported by
half the damn email readers, it is TOTALLY INCOMPREHENSIBLE to the
list server. You can send unsubscribe command in any fucking font and size
you like, you ain't going nowhere, baby.

Point 5 :
Using automated "I am out of the office for the weekend" may dazzle your
colleges with your impressive command of Microsoft products, but it
irritates and infuriates the other 99.9% when all mail from the PIClist is
returned with this incredibly informative and exciting message.

--
Regards

Tjaart van der Walt
EraseMEtjaartEraseMEspamwasp.co.za

|--------------------------------------------------|
|                WASP International                |
|R&D Engineer : GSM peripheral services development|
|--------------------------------------------------|
|SMS tjaartTakeThisOuTspamKILLspamsms.wasp.co.za  (160 chars max)|
|     http://www.wasp.co.za/~tjaart/index.html     |
|Voice: +27-(0)11-622-8686  Fax: +27-(0)11-622-8973|
|          WGS-84 : 26¡10.52'S 28¡06.19'E          |
|--------------------------------------------------|

1998\07\22@103206 by Timothy D. Gray

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esclators have buttons???? most I have seen constantly move and you step
on.

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1998\07\22@104031 by tjaart

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Timothy D. Gray wrote:

> esclators have buttons???? most I have seen constantly move and you step
> on.

I was being American-friendly. We just call them lifts.

--
Friendly Regards

Tjaart van der Walt
RemoveMEtjaartSTOPspamspamEraseMEwasp.co.za

|--------------------------------------------------|
|                WASP International                |
|R&D Engineer : GSM peripheral services development|
|--------------------------------------------------|
|SMS spam_OUTtjaartspamspamRemoveMEsms.wasp.co.za  (160 chars max)|
|     http://www.wasp.co.za/~tjaart/index.html     |
|Voice: +27-(0)11-622-8686  Fax: +27-(0)11-622-8973|
|          WGS-84 : 26¡10.52'S 28¡06.19'E          |
|--------------------------------------------------|

1998\07\22@105046 by Timothy D. Gray

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Ahhhh you mean elevators! gotcha! :-) well actually some older lifts will
skip a call request at a floor above you if you hit the button at a high
rate of speed, specifically mechanical relay types... you cause power
glitches that make the other call buttons relay to un-latch. (Hacking an
elevator 101)


On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Tjaart van der Walt wrote:

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'UNSUBSCRIBE'
1998\07\27@134553 by Chris Adamson

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Chris Adamson, Programmer
Identec Solutions
cadamsonspamBeGonespamidentec.com
phone: 1-250-860-6567

1998\07\28@123044 by Victor M. Gomez

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Victor Gomez
vgomez@spam@spamtandem.cl

Thanks a lot

1998\07\29@005824 by tjaart

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Victor M. Gomez wrote:

> Victor Gomez
> spamvgomezSTOPspamspamRemoveMEtandem.cl
>
> Thanks a lot

No Problem. I can't wait for your next 'unsubscribe' mail.Maybe you will mail it to the right
address some day, too.

I tell you what - why don't you try the listserver address?
Yes, yes, what a brilliant concept!

THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT EMAIL ADDRESSES
1) PICLIST   =  this list
2) LISTSERV  =  the address to send command to

Get it ? ----- *TWO* addresses! (one, two)

If you can't grasp this, you should ask someone that has more than two
neurons knocking together in the IQ department to help you.

To recap (again, and again, and again ad nauseum) :

Point 1 :
You may leave the list at any time by writing "SIGNOFF PICLIST" in the body
of at message to KILLspamLISTSERVspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or @spam@LISTSERVEraseMEspamTakeThisOuTMITVMA.BITNET).

Point 2 :
The list server doesn't give a shit if you write 'unsubscribe' ten gazillion times in any
number of messages to the list (RemoveMEPICLISTTakeThisOuTspamMITVA.MIT.EDU). This is for the Piclist
traffic.

Point 3 :
If you have your email address changed, and try to send commands to the server,
you will have to fool it into thinking that it was sent from you old address. Even
better, unsubscribe BEFORE changing you email address.

Point 4 :
You may think your email looks snazzy with all the HTML turds in it, but to
the rest of the world, it is a pain in the ass. Not only is it only unsupported by
half the damn email readers, it is TOTALLY INCOMPREHENSIBLE to the
list server. You can send unsubscribe command in any fucking font and size
you like, you ain't going nowhere, baby. Think.

Point 5 :
Using automated "I am out of the office for the weekend" may dazzle your
colleges with your impressive command of Microsoft products, but it
irritates and infuriates the other 99.9% when all mail from the PIClist is
returned with this incredibly informative and exciting message. No-one
cares if you are away for the weekend.


If I sound a bit sarcastic, I apologise - I was trying to sound caustic.


Tjaart van der Walt
RemoveMEtjaartspamspamwasp.co.za

|--------------------------------------------------|
|                WASP International                |
|R&D Engineer : GSM peripheral services development|
|--------------------------------------------------|
|SMS KILLspamtjaartspamspamspam_OUTsms.wasp.co.za  (160 chars max)|
|     http://www.wasp.co.za/~tjaart/index.html     |
|Voice: +27-(0)11-622-8686  Fax: +27-(0)11-622-8973|
|          WGS-84 : 26¡10.52'S 28¡06.19'E          |
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'UNSUBSCRIBE'
1998\08\04@064927 by Ronald Koehof
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"SIGNOFF PICLIST"

1998\08\10@142737 by Chris Adamson

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Hey,
       It's been great seeing all the works about PIC info...

Please stop the chaos of mail!

Thanks
Chris Eh?


Chris Adamson, Programmer
Identec Solutions
spamcadamson.....spamTakeThisOuTidentec.com
phone: 1-250-860-6567

1998\08\10@214242 by Nelson Enrique Soler Paz

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Gracias por toda la informacion


Nelson Soler

1998\08\10@214706 by Bruce Turrentine

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1998\08\11@032020 by Morgan Olsson

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You may leave the list at any time by writing "SIGNOFF PICLIST" in the body
of at message to LISTSERV@spam@spamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or STOPspamLISTSERVspamMITVMA.BITNET).
Observe :

1) Do not send to this list, but adress to EraseMELISTSERVspam_OUTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU

2) It don«t care about what you write in the subject field, write "SIGNOFF
PICLIST" in the body = where You write your normal letter text.

Regards
/Morgan


/  Morgan Olsson, MORGANS REGLERTEKNIK, SE-277 35 KIVIK, Sweden \
\  mrtKILLspamspamspaminame.com, ph: +46 (0)414 70741; fax +46 (0)414 70331    /

1998\08\12@230830 by Tony Goodman

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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Thanks for all the great info!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I just can't handle all the
mail.</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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1998\08\13@025645 by Glendon Turner

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Thanks for all the great info!
I just can't handle all the mail.

1998\08\13@090252 by Morgan Olsson

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You may leave the list at any time by writing "SIGNOFF PICLIST" in the body
of at message to TakeThisOuTLISTSERVKILLspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or spamLISTSERV.....spam@spam@MITVMA.BITNET).
Observe :

1) Do not send to this list, but adress to spam_OUTLISTSERVspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU

2) It don«t care about what you write in the subject field, write "SIGNOFF
PICLIST" in the body = where You write your normal letter text.

Regards
/Morgan

At 22:58 1998-08-12 -0400, you wrote:
>    Thanks for all the great info! I just can't handle all the  mail.
/  Morgan Olsson, MORGANS REGLERTEKNIK, SE-277 35 KIVIK, Sweden \
\  EraseMEmrtspamBeGonespaminame.com, ph: +46 (0)414 70741; fax +46 (0)414 70331    /

'PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE CLAUDIO RACHIELE'
1998\08\14@083353 by cousens

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Claudio Rachiele IW0DZG wrote:
>
>  My company office is closed until August 24th.

Hey, Andy / Jordy looks like it's up to you

--
Peter Cousens
email: EraseMEcousensspam_OUTspamspamher.forthnet.gr  phone: + 3081 380534
snailmail:  Folia, Agia Fotini, Karteros, Heraklion  Crete, Greece.

1998\08\14@093811 by Sean Breheny

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Guys,

Unsubscribing him won't make any difference! Remember, even unsubscribed
people can send mail to the list!

Sean


On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, Peter Cousens wrote:

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1998\08\14@101544 by Nuno Pedrosa

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Well, yes. But I believe the problem is not Claudio sending mails...
The problem is that _stupid_ mail robot that someone configured in his
address. Unsubscribing will still allow him to send mails, but should
stop that _stupid_ robot from receiving mails and auto-answer every
single one.

Did I already mention that I find that mail robot _really_ _stupid_?

Well, if I don't write again, I wish you all a very nice weekend!

Nuno.

Sean Breheny wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> Unsubscribing him won't make any difference! Remember, even unsubscribed
> people can send mail to the list!

--
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/*\\|//*\    SIEMENS S.A. Portugal                  (]|  /'    \ \/\
\(\\V//)/    spam_OUTNuno.PedrosaTakeThisOuTspamKILLspamoen.siemens.de     (]|`%   (") \/\ \
 ` -=- '     Tel.  :00351-1-4242454         (")      /`/        / /\/
__B//|\\P___________________________________________\' / `/______\/____
   `-' "Try and leave this world a little better than you found it..."

1998\08\14@110118 by Don

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In a way, this CLAUDIO stuff is kind of funny ! I do a lot of lurking,
and I've seen some pretty nasty comments made to people who were trying
to unsubscribe. Seems nobody wanted to let them. Ironically, now
everybody wants Claudio to unsubscribe. I havent bothered to check any
archives, and I dont know or care much about email tracing and so forth,
but I cant help but wonder if Claudio is somehow related to some of the
people begging to be unsubscribed ??
Don



Sean Breheny wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> Unsubscribing him won't make any difference! Remember, even unsubscribed
> people can send mail to the list!
>
> Sean
>
>

'UNSUBSCRIBE'
1998\08\14@164624 by Paul Beyerl

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> "SIGNOFF PICLIST"

1998\08\18@210950 by Tony Goodman

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<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Thanks for all the great info!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I just can't handle all the
mail.</FONT></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>

</x-html>

'How to unsubscribe'
1998\08\19@012034 by tjaart

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Tony Goodman wrote:


> Thanks for all the great info!I just can't handle all the mail.

Sigh.

THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT EMAIL ADDRESSES
1) PICLIST   = this list (what you are reading now)
2) LISTSERV  = the address to send commands to

If you can't grasp this, you should ask someone to help you.

To recap (again, and again, and again, and again, and again ad naseum) :

Point 1 :
You may leave the list at any time by writing "SIGNOFF PICLIST" in the body
of at message to TakeThisOuTLISTSERVspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU.

Point 2 :
The list server doesn't give a shit if you write 'unsubscribe' ten gazillion tim
es in any
number of messages to the list (spamPICLISTspam_OUTspamMITVA.MIT.EDU). This is for the Piclist
traffic (what you are reading now).

Point 3 :
If you have your email address changed, and try to send commands to the server,
you will have to fool it into thinking that it was sent from you old address. Ev
en
better, unsubscribe BEFORE changing you email address.

Point 4 :
You may think your email looks snazzy with all the HTML turds in it, but to
the rest of the world, it is a pain in the ass. Not only is it only unsupported
by
half the damn email readers, it is TOTALLY INCOMPREHENSIBLE to the
list server. You can send unsubscribe command in any fucking font and size
with pictures of Pamela Anderson, you ain't going nowhere, baby.

Point 5 :
Using automated "I am out of the office for the weekend" may dazzle your
colleges with your impressive command of Microsoft products, but it
irritates and infuriates the other 99.99% when all mail from the PIClist is
returned with this incredibly informative and exciting message.

--
Regards

Tjaart van der Walt
EraseMEtjaartspamspamwasp.co.za

'(O[h]T[edious]) Unsubscribers!'
1998\08\19@054101 by gley John

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I subscribed to the Linux debian-user mailing list for a while, and
their list server seems to add unsubscribe instructions automatically to
the end of every message. Cuts down on the number of
errm...inappropriate unsubscribe messages. Amazingly, it doesn't get rid
of them all. Can the piclist server do something similar?

By the way, thanks to the various Linux advocates on this list - I'm
infected now. For revenge, I shall be asking detailed questions on the
subject of sendmail configuration files.

John Midgley

1998\08\19@095043 by Bob Blick

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On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Midgley John wrote:
> By the way, thanks to the various Linux advocates on this list - I'm
> infected now. For revenge, I shall be asking detailed questions on the
> subject of sendmail configuration files.

You might give qmail a try. I hear it's less of a pain.
-Bob

1998\08\19@115914 by Peter L. Peres

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On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Bob Blick wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Midgley John wrote:
> > By the way, thanks to the various Linux advocates on this list - I'm
> > infected now. For revenge, I shall be asking detailed questions on the
> > subject of sendmail configuration files.
>
> You might give qmail a try. I hear it's less of a pain.
> -Bob

According to the results of a recent discussion, both qmail and sendmail
run equally well in a stand-alone dial-up host. For a nethost, qmail is
liked more by some, but sendmail/others dominate in numbers for now. I run
sendmail on dialup (look at my header).

Sendmail config files are not to be understood. There is the Installation
& Operation guide that should be printed out only for serious use ( see in
/usr/doc/sendmail/...). Otherwise, install one of the default configs
(DNS-less, expensive smart host == ISP for dialup), tweak as indicated,
and it works all the time.

If you need a working file, I'll email you mine (the one I'm using now).

hope this helps,

Peter

'[OT] Tedious unsubscribers and sendmail'
1998\08\20@042433 by Frank A. Vorstenbosch

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Midgley John wrote:
>
> By the way, thanks to the various Linux advocates on this list - I'm
> infected now. For revenge, I shall be asking detailed questions on the
> subject of sendmail configuration files.

SENDMAIL TRICK #1:
If you do not want your sendmail program to do a DNS lookup on the host
names in the configuration file, then specify the IP address in square
brackets, as in [192.168.10.3].

Frank
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'******* HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM PICLIST******'
1998\08\24@090709 by Russell McMahon

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To unsubscribe from the PICLIST:

Send a message to

                       TakeThisOuTLISTSERVspam_OUTspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU.

In the BODY of the message put

                       SIGNOFF PICLIST

The Subject may contain anything you wish (or nothing at all).

NB:        Be SURE that the address you use for this message is the
one above.
              The address which you use for PICLIST postings can NOT
be used
               for unsubscribe messages.

               If you have your email address changed, unsubscribe
BEFORE
               changing your email address - you can't do it
afterwards..

'unsubscribe!!!!!!'
1998\08\28@175452 by Husni Hammoud

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I would like to unsibscribe of the List since I will bnot use My Email
Account for A While and I do not want to be in trouble with more than
1000 message later. I 'm trying to unsubscribe and I do not know how.
What is the Way to do it?
Please Help
Hassoun

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1998\08\28@182550 by Husni Hammoud

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Thanks I just received a confirmation from the Piclist server for my request . I
hope it will be applicable and stops the Incoming messages.

Hassoun

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'How to unsubscribe'
1998\08\30@070527 by tjaart

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Mscaff wrote:

> How can i get out of this list ?

Sigh.

THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT EMAIL ADDRESSES
1) PICLIST   = this list (what you are reading now)
2) LISTSERV  = the address to send commands to

If you can't grasp this, you should ask someone to help you.

To recap (again, and again, and again, and again, and again ad naseum) :

Point 1 :
You may leave the list at any time by writing "SIGNOFF PICLIST" in the body
of at message to @spam@LISTSERVTakeThisOuTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU.

Point 2 :
The list server doesn't give a sh*t if you write 'unsubscribe' ten gazillion tim
es in any
number of messages to the list (STOPspamPICLISTspamspamMITVA.MIT.EDU). This is for the Piclist
traffic (what you are reading now).

Point 3 :
If you have your email address changed, unsubscribe BEFORE changing.

Point 4 :
You may think your email looks snazzy with all the HTML turds in it, but to
the rest of the world, it is a pain in the ass. Not only is it only unsupported
by
half the damn email readers, it is TOTALLY INCOMPREHENSIBLE to the
list server. You can send unsubscribe command in any f@#$%ing font and size
with nude pictures of Pamela Anderson, you ain't going nowhere, baby.

Point 5 :
Using automated "I am out of the office for the weekend" may dazzle your
colleges with your impressive command of Microsoft products, but it
irritates and infuriates the other 99.99% when all mail from the PIClist is
returned with this incredibly informative and exciting message.

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'Unsubscribe'
1998\09\17@100501 by Daniel Hjorth
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<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>How do I unsubscribe me from this
PIClist????</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

</x-html>

1998\09\17@122018 by Michael Hagberg

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</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>You may leave the list at any time by writing
&quot;SIGNOFF PICLIST&quot; in the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; body of a message to <A
href="LISTSERVRemoveMEspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU">LISTSERVEraseMEspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU</A>.<BR></FONT></DIV>> <BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
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'unsubscribe'
1998\10\19@191554 by Jam Naish
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i want to be unsuscribed of this list




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'How to subscribe/Unsubscribe'
1998\10\23@095412 by tjaart

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I've put up all the information on the PIClist commands
on :

http://www.wasp.co.za/~tjaart/electroniclinks.html

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'List-wide question: Mini-FAQ {How to unsubscribe} '
1998\11\13@161655 by Mark Willis
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I post a mini-FAQ monthly to another mailing list;  It mainly contains
just a little reminder of how to behave on the mailing list
(Ettiquette), and the rest of the thing is about the 5 ways to
unsubscribe from that list...

 Is this a good idea here, as well?  It's subject line sez
"[Service-Dogs] Mini-FAQ, Rev. Oct 20 1998", so when revised it's
obvious what it is & how recent it is (& the experts can easily ignore
it on sight <G>)

 Mainly offering the idea, I could post something like this monthly,
this is a quick slash job on the Service-Dogs list & not necessarily
accurate in any way!  <G>  It seems to sorta partially reduce "Please
Unscribe Me" traffic, of course that mailing list IS different...

 Probably mainly a question for Jory?

---  Begin  ---
   HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE

There one ways that works to get off the list.  DO NOT post to the
list.  This might get you off, but is the worst way to do it; A post to
the list goes to all subscribers, is VERY slow and gets everyone angry
with you.  If %administrator% misses seeing it (and she may not read all
of every post), you don't get off the list.

Do NOT post to Mark requesting an unsubscribe.  Mark CANNOT unsubscribe
you. He will simply delete your request.

 Post to:

TakeThisOuTLISTSERVTakeThisOuTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU (i.e. EraseMELISTSERV@spam@spamMITVMA.MIT.EDU)

from the address at which you are subscribed containing nothing but

unsubscribe PICList

in the first line of the message, from the address at which you are
subscribed.  This is automatically executed and is the fastest method.
The message must contain the exact words "unsubscribe PICList", no
other spelling works.

 If you are trying to unsubscribe from an address different from the
one you subscribed from, you must include that original address like
this:  on the first line of the message:
unsubscribe PICList <oldaddress>

 If you have difficulties, or do not understand what to do, send an
e-mail message to:

%administrator% (I'm not sure if Jory et al want questions coming in!)

and they/he will try to help you.  Do tell her you want help with the
PICList as they may run more than one list!

   PURPOSE and ETIQUETTE

 This list is for the specific purpose of providing a forum about the
use, learning about, safety with, and enjoyment of MicroChip PICs. Other
support "Glue" chips are acceptable off-topic subjects, to some extent.

 Commercial posts, flaming, spamming, virus warnings, etc. do not
belong in this mailing list, and posting same could result in
%administrator% removing you from the list.  Humor happens here, and is
welcome so long as it doesn't result in bodily harm from too many list
readers falling out of their chairs, and so long as it's kept in
reasonable bounds. Humor isn't the purpose of the list, but the good
laugh provided (relevant to PICs especially) is very welcome on
occasion!

 Posting messages to the list is restricted to subscribers, who are
defined as anyone posting with a logon name and address identical to one
in the list of subscribers.  You cannot post to the list either from a
different address or if you are unsubscribed.

 [For more information about this mailing list, post to:

spamBeGoneLISTSERVKILLspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU (i.e. KILLspamLISTSERVspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU)

with the text

info PICLIST

in the first line of your message.]

 This Mini-FAQ, approved by %administrator%, is posted by Mark Willis
monthly (early in the month), to help %administrator% out.  Suggested
updates or changes:

Post to:

%administrator%

with a copy if desired to

mwillisEraseMEspamnwlink.com

 Mark will post this with this EXACT same title [unless revised, then
the revision date will change] to help keep the list uncluttered with
"unsubscribe" requests, and will e-mail it to anyone on request.

---  End  ---

 Mark, KILLspammwillisspamBeGonespamspamnwlink.com

'unsubscribe'
1998\11\20@113758 by Joyce Andersen

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1998\11\21@041223 by Morgan Olsson

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You must send the unsubscription from the registered adress; anybody can
not do it for you.

You may leave the list at any time by writing "SIGNOFF PICLIST" in the body
of at message to KILLspamLISTSERVspam_OUTspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU (or spamLISTSERVEraseMEspamMITVMA.BITNET).
Observe :

1) Do not send to this list, but adress to @spam@LISTSERVspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU

2) It don«t care about what you write in the subject field, write
"SIGNOFF PICLIST" in the body = where You write your normal letter text.

Regards
/Morgan

At 08:26 1998-11-20 -0800, you wrote:
>ricardo_floresspam@spam@mail.dfrc.nasa.gov
>
>
       Morgan Olsson                   ph  +46(0)414 70741
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1998\11\21@150632 by cousens

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I will be leaving the list for about a month.
I hope to be back soon.


PS: don't reply to this message, I have changed the return address
(to avoid the unsubscribe instructions that are bound to be sent to me),
Instead reply to the address below before monday midnight GMT

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snailmail:  Folia, Agia Fotini, Karteros, Heraklion  Crete, Greece.

We cannot blame God for creating a World with so many problems,
He had just upgraded from win3.11 to win95.
No wonder Eve recommended Apple.

1998\11\23@211434 by arco Antonio dos Santos Costa

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mcosta@caixapostal.com.br

unsubscribe

1998\11\23@211637 by mcwork

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unsubscribe

1998\11\25@052044 by Robert Verhagen

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1998\11\30@042542 by Virtual

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Unsunscribe me please, i sent my message to the lsit server, but it
didn't take i guess

unsubscribe EraseMEdeicideTakeThisOuTspamlightspeed.net

1998\11\30@043828 by Tjaart van der Walt

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Virtual wrote:
>
> Unsunscribe me please, i sent my message to the lsit server, but it
> didn't take i guess

You didn't do it right then, I guess.

Perhaps you should try again.
Check your return address.
No-one on the list can unsubscribe you.

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1998\11\30@045912 by Mark Willis

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Tjaart van der Walt wrote:
{Quote hidden}

 Folks:  I've started zapping off a canned "Here's how to unsubscribe"
sheet to these folks, you can ignore 'em if you want to <G>  (On
re-reading it, maybe I should "this might get you off" and "very slow"
to WON'T and WON'T?)  Need a PIC tool to do this <G>  Maybe that'll be
rev. 2 on the Keydler or something.

 Mark, spamBeGonemwillisSTOPspamspamspam_OUTnwlink.com, who speweth (all too) regularly:
---  Begin Paste  ---

   HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE

There is one way that works to get off the list.  DO NOT post to the
list.  This might get you off, but is the worst way to do it; A post to
the list goes to all subscribers, is VERY slow and gets everyone angry
with you.  If the administrator misses seeing it (and he DOES NOT read
the list!), you don't get off the list.

Do NOT post to me requesting an unsubscribe.  I CANNOT unsubscribe
you. I will simply delete your request.  YOU and only you can
unsubscribe yourself.

 Post to:

.....LISTSERV@spam@spamRemoveMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU (i.e. spamBeGoneLISTSERV.....spamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU)

from the address at which you are subscribed containing nothing but

unsubscribe PICList

in the first line of the message, from the address at which you are
subscribed.  This is automatically executed and is the fastest method.
The message must contain the exact words "unsubscribe PICList", no
other spelling works.

 If you are trying to unsubscribe from an address different from the
one you subscribed from, you must include that original address like
this:  on the first line of the message:
unsubscribe PICList <oldaddress>

 Good luck!

 Mark Willis, mwillis@spam@spamspamBeGonenwlink.com
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1998\11\30@055146 by Peter Williamson

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Just a thought. Other lists that I am subscribed to append the
unsubscribe instructions to each and every message, 2 lines at most.

Mark Willis wrote:
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1998\11\30@175312 by John Samuel CLEVELAND

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1998\11\30@181413 by Jason Tuendemann

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You may leave the list at any time by writing "SIGNOFF PICLIST" in the body
of at message to LISTSERV.....spam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU.


>TakeThisOuTjsclevspamspammail.wm.edu
>
>unsubscribe
>
>


'Unsubscribe'
1998\12\02@075853 by paulb
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Mark Willis wrote:

>   Folks:  I've started zapping off a canned "Here's how to
> unsubscribe" sheet to these folks, you can ignore 'em if you want to
> <G>

 I think you may have failed to mention that sending HTML to the
listserver is not going to work either.  Gotta cover all options!
--
 Cheers,
       Paul B.

'Mini-FAQ work-up (was Re: Unsubscribe)'
1998\12\02@141231 by Mark Willis

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Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote:
>
> Mark Willis wrote:
>
> >   Folks:  I've started zapping off a canned "Here's how to
> > unsubscribe" sheet to these folks, you can ignore 'em if you want to
> > <G>
>
>   I think you may have failed to mention that sending HTML to the
> listserver is not going to work either.  Gotta cover all options!
> --
>   Cheers,
>         Paul B.

 cc'ed to Jory - Might as well keep this short but make it more robust,
to solve all likely problems!  <G>

 Ya know, that's REALLY a good point, Paul!  I will add in an etiquette
summary (Talking with Jory, he'd said he'd be happy to have me put a
monthly mini-FAQ out, so if anyone has any suggestions, I'd be happy to
hear 'em.  Jory's the list god, here, of course, but he's busy - so
whatever will make the list flow smoother, I'll go for - and if he's
unhappy, I'll change it <G>)  What I have right now is:

 Subject line, something like "PICList Mini-FAQ {Revised Dec. 02, 1998}
- How to unsubscribe"

---  Begin Paste  ---
   ETIQUETTE

HTML posts are not workable on the PICList;  Many recipients on the
PICList cannot read your post if you have HTML turned on when you post.
Please turn HTML off when you post to the PICList, for fellow list
members' sake!  Many pieces of newer software (Particularly NetScape,
MSIE, and Outlook Express) start off with HTML ON as the default for all
posts.  Also, you might look for the "Address Book Card" option and
disable it (It just wastes bandwidth for most people on the PICList.)

 {MW note:  Anyone want to work on a quick web page on how to set up
different browsers properly to work with the PicList?  I just use
NetScape right now, may try Opera next}

The list is for the purpose of discussing PICs for the most part, some
humor happens here of course, keep it in balance, though, please - if
you MUST post humor to the list, please cut off all the forwards and so
on to keep the post size down, some people pay per byte they get in
e-mail, so think minimalist here.  {MW Note: Trying to say to just keep
it to the setup & punch line <G>}

Binaries should be for the most part kept OFF the list (Post a URL for
people to download it themselves, or e-mail to just those who request
it), for the same reason;  Source code is treated differently, if you
need to show a piece of code to ask for help in debugging it, but if you
can put it on a web page that's perhaps even better & is {MW Note: I
think?  Folks?} preferred.

   HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE

There is ONLY one way that works to get off the list.  DO NOT post to
the list.  A post to the list goes to all subscribers, gets everyone
angry with you;  And, you don't get off the list that way!

Do NOT post to me requesting an unsubscribe.  I CANNOT unsubscribe
you. I will simply delete your request, perhaps after sending you
a copy of this Mini-FAQ.  YOU and only you can unsubscribe yourself.

 Post to:

KILLspamLISTSERV@spam@spamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU (i.e. LISTSERVspam_OUTspamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU)

from the address at which you are subscribed containing nothing but

unsubscribe PICList

in the first line of the message, from the address at which you are
subscribed.  This is automatically executed.  The message must contain
the exact words "unsubscribe PICList", no other spelling works.  AND,
you must have HTML turned OFF, or the list server will NOT understand
what you're saying.

 If you are trying to unsubscribe from an address different from the
one you subscribed from, you must include that original address like
this:  on the first line of the message:
unsubscribe PICList <oldaddress>

 Good luck!

 Mark Willis, EraseMEmwillis@spam@spamTakeThisOuTnwlink.com

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 Mark

1998\12\02@144943 by Matt Bonner

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Mark,

A couple of suggestions/additions:
1. Off topic posts should have [OT] somewhere in the subject line, not
   [ot], not {OT}, etc.  (to keep a manageable number of filters)
2. Descriptive subject lines (eg: "Problem with TMR0 interrupt",
   not "Question")

Thanks for the good work, Matt

'unsubscribe picklist'
1998\12\05@061713 by Rich Rosenbrock

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Please un subscribe me from piclist

Too much email, email provider too slow to manage volume

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'Mini-FAQ work-up (was Re: Unsubscribe)'
1998\12\05@115126 by Adriano De Minicis

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Hi Mark,

I have one more suggestion for the mini-FAQ:

- For everybody that receive piclist as a daily digest:
 Be sure to correct manually the subject line as appropriate when
 replying to a message, otherwise the reply will appear with a
 subject like "Re: PICLIST Digest - 2 Dec 1998 to 3 Dec 1998".

Adriano

'(OT) Re: unsubscribe picklist'
1998\12\06@191310 by Russell McMahon

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Presumably this was accidental humor:

In the same message:

>Please un subscribe me from piclist
>Too much email, email provider too slow to manage volume


           AND

>-----------------------------------------------
>FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com


PS - no dig at Rich intended - just struck me as funny.

'Mini-FAQ work-up (was Re: Unsubscribe)'
1998\12\06@222923 by Mark Willis

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Good suggestions from jcline, mbonner, adriadm & jory incorporated,
how's this:

 I haven't done tons of HTML, Jonathan;  I have an HTML to Text tool,
I'll play with that as we go here.  I'd throw this at my web space at
NWLink, if I do that.  (Might change ISP's eventually, so I may snag web
space elsewhere.)

 Subject line, something like "PICList Mini-FAQ {Revised Dec. 06, 1998}
- How to unsubscribe"

---  Begin Paste  ---
   LIST ETIQUETTE

 HTML posts are not workable on the PICList;  Many recipients on the
PICList cannot read your post if you have HTML turned on when you post.
Please turn HTML off when you post to the PICList, for fellow list
members' sake!  Many pieces of newer software (Particularly NetScape,
MSIE, and Outlook Express) start off with HTML ON as the default for all
posts.  Also, you might look for the "Address Book Card" option and
disable it (It just wastes bandwidth for most people on the PICList.)

 {MW note:  Anyone want to work on a quick web page on how to set up
different browsers properly to work with the PicList?  I just use
NetScape right now, may try Opera next}

 Off topic posts should start with [OT], or at least include it
somewhere in the subject line, not [ot], not {OT}, etc.  (This lets
users who get lots of e-mail keep a manageable number of filters.)

 Try to use descriptive subject lines (eg: "Problem with TMR0
interrupt", or "16F84 Oscillator not starting", not "Question" or "Help
Me!")

 Also, if you set the PICList to send you a daily digest:  Be sure to
correct manually the subject line as appropriate when replying to a
message, otherwise the reply will appear with a subject like
 "Re: PICLIST Digest - 2 Dec 1998 to 3 Dec 1998", not
 "Re: 16F84 Oscillator not starting" which was what you were replying
to, and it will fragment the discussion somewhat.

 The list is for the purpose of discussing PICs for the most part, some
humor happens here of course, keep it in balance, though, please - if
you MUST post humor to the list, please cut off all the forwards and so
on to keep the post size down, some people pay per byte they get in
e-mail, so think minimalist here.  {MW Note: Trying to say to just keep
it to the setup & punch line <G>}

 Binaries should be for the most part kept OFF the list (Post a URL for
people to download it themselves, or e-mail to just those who request
it), for the same reason;  Source code is treated differently, if you
need to show a piece of code to ask for help in debugging it, but if you
can put it on a web page that's perhaps even better & is {MW Note: I
think?  Folks?} preferred.  {Some really like the code in-line, as they
read the PICList off-line; so maybe that should be Binaries NO, Source
Yes?}

 Replies automatically get sent to the PIClist by default.  So, if you
intend a personal reply, make sure you're sending to the right
address (remove the PICList from the addresses in your e-mail program.)

   HANDY LINKS

 {What I want to have here is just a few handy links that'll get
newbies off & running, not necessarily one comprehensive list - A
pointer *to* a comprehensive list would be ideal.  I've used David
Tait's PIC links, so I put that in here, I'll definitely take
suggestions, maybe make a link to a comprehensive list?  Is there a PIC
WebRing?}

 Microchip Corporation, Manufactures PICs:
http://www.microchip.com/
 PICList Archive:
http://www.iversoft.com/piclist/ ?????.  {MW Note: I'm offline & I'm not
sure which of several URLs I have is the right one;  Someone please
remind me & I'll fix this <G>}
 Jonathan's PICmicro Meta-URL List:
www.ee.calpoly.edu/~jcline/pic-links.htm
 David Tait's PIC Links:
http://www.man.ac.uk/~mbhstdj/files/piclinks.html

   FFFAQ - Very-frequently asked questions

 The differences between the 16C84 and the 16F84 are, that the F84 part
has more register space & more program space & EEProm storage, and that
some of the code protection bits are inverted - and there are more code
protection options.  If you don't code protect your 16x84 parts, you
should be able to interchange most everything else - reading the data
sheets, of course, is a GOOD idea, as always, they are on Microchip's
web pages.  {From memory, corrections for better accuracy welcomed, I've
been meaning to re-read these data sheets, mostly 16C622 & 16C66 stuff
until lately. <G>}

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Cary Smith

Bob Blick wrote:

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On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, mahfoud rahal wrote:

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1999\02\01@042404 by Mark Willis

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(List members:  Sorry but it's been too frequent lately, maybe if I go
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angry with you;  And, you don't get off the list that way!

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 Post to:

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>Thanks for the feedback -- unfortunately the 33000 series doesn't have
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was one
>advantage (or so I had supposed) for choosing the 33000 -- I assumed it
>would be less suseptible to "glitches" like this, since you have to
send a
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1999\02\27@061337 by pyro

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1999\02\28@075903 by Charlie Stubbs

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IT'S TIME TO GO.
ENJOYED THE COMMENTS FROM ONE AND ALL.
LEARNED MUCH, CONTRIBUTED LITTLE

bUT HOW THE HECK DO YOU UNSUBSCRIGBE???????

1999\02\28@084705 by Keith Weber

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To unsubscribe I believe you need to post a message with a subject
UNSUBSCRIBE and in the message box put your e-mail address.  If that
doesn't work put UNSUBSCRIBE PICLIST in the message box.

Keith

>IT'S TIME TO GO.
>ENJOYED THE COMMENTS FROM ONE AND ALL.
>LEARNED MUCH, CONTRIBUTED LITTLE
>
>bUT HOW THE HECK DO YOU UNSUBSCRIGBE???????
>

1999\02\28@094150 by Sean Breheny

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At 08:59 AM 2/28/99 PST, you wrote:
>IT'S TIME TO GO.
>ENJOYED THE COMMENTS FROM ONE AND ALL.
>LEARNED MUCH, CONTRIBUTED LITTLE
>
>bUT HOW THE HECK DO YOU UNSUBSCRIGBE???????
>

Hi Charlie,

Send a message to spamLISTSERVspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU (DO NOT SEND TO
KILLspamPICLISTKILLspamspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU)

with the following text in the BODY of the message (not the TITLE):

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That's it,its that easy!

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1999\03\03@003612 by Mark Willis
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Sean Breheny wrote:
> At 08:59 AM 2/28/99 PST, you wrote:
> Send a message to EraseMELISTSERVKILLspamspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU (DO NOT SEND TO
> PICLISTTakeThisOuTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU)
>
> with the following text in the BODY of the message (not the TITLE):
>
> SIGNOFF PICLIST

 Also, if someone has real problems, just ask me, I can help get people
unsubscribed, though I'd rather everyone unsubscribe themselves.  (Today
I'm a little under the weather, feverish etc, but that'll pass.)  I'll
get to posting the Mini-FAQ soon.

 Mark

1999\03\03@050234 by Fabien CAPELLI

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1999\03\03@080014 by paulb

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Fabien CAPELLI wrote:

> SIGNOFF PICLIST

 .. to the list.  Curiously, *just after*, and actually haveing the
absolute hide to quote Sean Breheny who wrote:

>>> Send a message to .....LISTSERVSTOPspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU (DO NOT SEND TO
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 One wonders whether a license should be required to operate a computer
connected to the Internet (Yes, Tjaart, I know you agree already!)?
--
 Cheers,
       Paul B.

1999\03\03@081836 by Sean Breheny

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Dear Fabian and others,

You have the right idea,but you should have sent SIGNOFF PICLIST to

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NOT, I REPEAT,DO NOT SEND IT TO spam_OUTPICLISTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
IT WILL NOT WORK AND WILL SIMPLY GET PEOPLE ANGRY.

Thanks,

Sean

At 10:59 AM 3/3/99 +0100, you wrote:
>SIGNOFF PICLIST
>
>
>> {Original Message removed}

'HELP! UNSUBSCRIBE [OT]'
1999\03\03@122331 by Gerhard Fiedler

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At 23:58 03/03/99 +1000, Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote:
>Fabien CAPELLI unbelievably wrote:
>
>> SIGNOFF PICLIST
>
>  One wonders whether a license should be required to operate a computer
>connected to the Internet (Yes, Tjaart, I know you agree already!)?

judging from what happens on the roads, this wouldn't really change much --
as intriguing as the idea is... :)

ge

1999\03\03@171757 by Mark Willis

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I'm thinking I should change in the Mini-Faq from:

> Send a message to spamLISTSERV.....spamTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU (DO NOT SEND TO
> TakeThisOuTPICLIST@spam@spamTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU)
>
> with the following text in the BODY of the message (not the TITLE):
>
> SIGNOFF PICLIST

to

> Send a message to LISTSERVspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following text
> in the Text BODY of the message (not the TITLE/SUBJECT line):
>
> SIGNOFF PICLIST
>
> (DO NOT SEND TO the PICList messages address,
>  EraseMEPICLISTspam_OUTspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU, as that WILL NOT WORK!)

 Maybe people aren't understanding the difference between the
post-to-whole-list address, and the Order-The-Listbot-about address?

 I've seen a web page that another mailing list I'm on uses to
subscribe and unsubscribe people to/from that list, that's a possibility
here, something we could link into the FAQ perhaps (I'll have to read up
here, won't I?)

 Mark

'About UNSUBSCRIBE, to all'
1999\03\03@172953 by Mark Willis

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One problem with long unsub trailers is that they don't always get
snipped off by some posters (I've seen a few posts where someone snipped
off lots of the other posters' POSTS, but left all the unsub trailers.
Ack.)  I joked with one list admin to charge a deposit of $10 to join
her list, then people get a refund if they unsub themselves on their
own, or lose it if tossed for abuse or they ask "how do I unsubscribe?"
list-wide <EG>  (Mostly teasing Mimi, she's a nice character, neither of
us would do such a thing but it's a fun thought <G>)

 Could someone run a list-wide survey, if appropriate?  Does someone
have a program where people could forward an e-mailed survey & we could
see what was voted for?  (Just thinking about it at this point, but
knowing if the resources are out there would be good.  Talk to me
off-list, probably.  Thinking of asking "What's the worst problem(s) you
have on the PICList", and "What do you like the most", etc., and for any
good ideas.)

 A web-based FAQ and unsubscribe location would make good sense, I'll
talk with Jory later & see what he's thought of (He's had more time than
I and has far more experience running his list here!)

 Mark

Quentin wrote:
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'unsubscribe'
1999\03\03@180719 by Hanafi Tanudjaja

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-----Original Message-----
From: Stephane Favard <favardSTOPspamspamCPPM.IN2P3.FR>
To: EraseMEPICLISTspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <TakeThisOuTPICLIST.....spamTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 5:34 PM
Subject: Bank select problem PIC16F84


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bank
>0.  Ensure that bank bits are correct.
>Message[302] C:\USERS\STF\PROJET1\EMET.ASM 121 : Register in operand not in
bank
>0.  Ensure that bank bits are correct.
>
>Build completed successfully.
>
>
>
>No problem when I use MPLAB Simulation, but when I programing, it use PORTA
and
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'HELP! UNSUBSCRIBE [OT]'
1999\03\03@215705 by Gerhard Fiedler

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At 14:16 03/03/99 -0800, Mark Willis wrote:
{Quote hidden}

maybe better. maybe even better to put the addresses in lower case, and
only the DO NOT SEND TO in upper case -- hard to figure out how those
characters work :)

another idea for the mini faq, if it's a web page, would be to include a
spam_OUTlistserv@spam@spamEraseME... link right there, to make sure they get it right. and
it might be good to include the hint that it's important to send the
unsubscribe message from the same account to where the piclist messages get
originally delivered. sometimes this gets confuse with forwarding.

ge

'HELP! - I'm an idiot UNSUBSCRIBE [OT]'
1999\03\04@001408 by Tjaart van der Walt

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Mark Willis wrote:
>
> I'm thinking I should change in the Mini-Faq from:
>
> > Send a message to KILLspamLISTSERVKILLspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU (DO NOT SEND TO
> > spamBeGonePICLISTspamRemoveMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU)
> >
> > with the following text in the BODY of the message (not the TITLE):
> >
> > SIGNOFF PICLIST
>

>   I've seen a web page that another mailing list I'm on uses to
> subscribe and unsubscribe people to/from that list, that's a possibility
> here, something we could link into the FAQ perhaps (I'll have to read up
> here, won't I?)
>
>   Mark

I would gladly post such a FAQ, and (un)subscribing
form on my web page.

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1999\03\04@061432 by Alan Nickerson

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There are SUBSCRIBE  and UNSUBSCRIBE instructions on the PICList Web Archive
page at http://www.iversoft.com/piclist/about.html

Alan

{Original Message removed}

1999\03\04@094929 by Dave Evans

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I feel that a lot of the improperly addressed
unsubscribe messages are not from people
who entered the wrong address.

They merely clicked on "reply" in a
message that they had received from
the list.

Perhaps a specific warning that this
won't work would be appropriate, along
with the other messages that have
been suggested.



Dave
dave.evansspamTakeThisOuTdlcc.com

> {Original Message removed}

1999\03\04@150634 by Gerhard Fiedler

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At 06:13 03/04/99 -0500, Alan Nickerson wrote:
>There are SUBSCRIBE  and UNSUBSCRIBE instructions on the PICList Web Archive
>page at http://www.iversoft.com/piclist/about.html

this -- or any other faq -- doesn't or wouldn't help much if the link to
the faq is not appended to each message sent to the list, i guess.

ge

'Instead of unsubscribe miniFAQ'
1999\03\04@182522 by Snail Instruments

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I have noticed, that some people, despite of how many times they received
detailed unsubscribe instructions, no matter how the listserv address is
capitalized, they know the only action - press the replay button.

So I have tried one trick - to setup my own return address as
listservspam_OUTspammitvma.mit.edu for a moment and send an e-mail with unsubscribe
instructions to the poor man who asks for help. The mail has listserv
address in the Reply to field, so if the recipients only hits the reply
button, the address is already correct. Just don't forget to set it back for
other mail. Of course you have to send it directly and not thru the list.

Hopefuly this action may help to keep the unnecessary traffic down, or did I
overlooked something ?

Josef

'HELP! UNSUBSCRIBE [OT]'
1999\03\04@210448 by Mark Willis

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Worst case, it only takes me 2 messages (Initial command and a
confirm) to delete an account.  I could probably cope with that, though
it WOULD be a lot faster if people would read the directions (I'm
catching up after a really hard week last week, up to Monday on all mail
(ahead of it on threads that caught my attention.)  Should catch up
fully today (Spend much of the day on it.)

 Mark

'[OT] UNSUBSCRIBE options'
1999\03\04@211739 by Mark Willis

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(continuing the thread about unsubscribes, FAQ pointers, etc. etc.)

 If we go with an appended trailer after each message, "Short and
sweet" is good (as each add-on goes to each of us in the list, for each
of umpteen messages a day.  One line would be good.)

 I'll keep reading the list manual, see how to do that/if it can be
done, and talk to Jory;  Would a monthly or weekly or even daily FAQ
pointer post, be less obnoxious, or many one-liners/day?  I'm leaning
towards the weekly FAQ pointer, 3-5 lines, maybe once a week.  I could
do that through an autoresponder type setup, (say on Netscape.Net),
pretty easily I think.

 I'll pile up options & overwhelm Jory here -

 Let's let this cook for a bit while I read the huge manual <G>

 Mark

'HELP! - I'm an idiot UNSUBSCRIBE [OT]'
1999\03\04@215547 by Bob Drzyzgula

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(I still haven't resubscribed as "spambobspamdrzyzgula.org", sorry)

Dave raises a good point. I must say that I have often
been frustrated by the fact that the PICLIST inserts a
Reply-To: that directs all responses only to the list.
This makes it somewhat more difficult to reply to only
the sender of a message, for example.

Perhaps if the default reply-to was something else, there
would be less nonsense on the list. Here's one suggestion:
Change the logic in the list server such that, for this
message, had I gotten around to changing my subscription
:-) Reply-To: would get set to:

 Reply-To: PICLIST at MITVMA.MIT.EDU comma bob at drzyzgula.org <piclist-faq@mi
tvma.mit.edu>

Where piclist-faq would simply echo back to the sender a
message explaining various things like how to unsubscribe,
how to edit the To: line to do what you probably wanted,
etc. Then, regular posters would know what to do, it would
become more clear when you were posting to the list and
when you were sending a private response, and bozos would
simply get their stuff thrown back at them along with a
small bit of polite clue assistance.

Just an idea.

--Bob
EraseMEbobKILLspamspamRemoveMEdrzyzgula.org

On Thu, Mar 04, 1999 at 06:46:43AM -0800, Dave Evans wrote:
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'Instead of unsubscribe miniFAQ'
1999\03\05@030031 by Tjaart van der Walt

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Snail Instruments wrote:
>
> I have noticed, that some people, despite of how many times they received
> detailed unsubscribe instructions, no matter how the listserv address is
> capitalized, they know the only action - press the replay button.
>
> So I have tried one trick - to setup my own return address as
> spamBeGonelistservspam_OUTspammitvma.mit.edu for a moment and send an e-mail with unsubscribe
> instructions to the poor man who asks for help. The mail has listserv
> address in the Reply to field, so if the recipients only hits the reply
> button, the address is already correct. Just don't forget to set it back for
> other mail. Of course you have to send it directly and not thru the list.
>
> Hopefuly this action may help to keep the unnecessary traffic down, or did I
> overlooked something ?

I reckon it is a great idea! I wonder if one can do this automatically?
Is there anyone who can set up their mailer to reply to such
persons directly with the listserver as return address, a blank subject line,
and the body :

SIGNOFF PICLIST

Hit reply and send back

This should cut back on the traffic.
Josef, you are a genius!

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'[OT] UNSUBSCRIBE options'
1999\03\05@091421 by Roger Shane

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I'm on another list that assigns a seperate unsubscribe address for each
person and, I'm sure, filters of some sort to implement automatically...my
footer is:

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You are currently subscribed to treatment as: rogerTakeThisOuTspamRemoveMEwnet.net.th
To unsubscribe send a blank email to
EraseMEleave-treatment-3447G@spam@spamlistserv.waternet.com


Don't know if this is feasible/useable here or not, just my 2 baht 50
satangs worth.

Regards/Roger, in Bangkok
----------
From:   Mark Willis[SMTP:mwillisspamBeGonespamKILLspamNWLINK.COM]
Sent:   Friday, March 05, 1999 9:16 AM
To:     .....PICLISTKILLspamspamRemoveMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:        [OT] UNSUBSCRIBE options

(continuing the thread about unsubscribes, FAQ pointers, etc. etc.)

 If we go with an appended trailer after each message, "Short and
sweet" is good (as each add-on goes to each of us in the list, for each
of umpteen messages a day.  One line would be good.)

 I'll keep reading the list manual, see how to do that/if it can be
done, and talk to Jory;  Would a monthly or weekly or even daily FAQ
pointer post, be less obnoxious, or many one-liners/day?  I'm leaning
towards the weekly FAQ pointer, 3-5 lines, maybe once a week.  I could
do that through an autoresponder type setup, (say on Netscape.Net),
pretty easily I think.

 I'll pile up options & overwhelm Jory here -

 Let's let this cook for a bit while I read the huge manual <G>

 Mark





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1999\03\05@092521 by Tjaart van der Walt

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Mark Willis wrote:
>
> (continuing the thread about unsubscribes, FAQ pointers, etc. etc.)
>
>   If we go with an appended trailer after each message, "Short and
> sweet" is good (as each add-on goes to each of us in the list, for each
> of umpteen messages a day.  One line would be good.)
>
>   I'll keep reading the list manual, see how to do that/if it can be
> done, and talk to Jory;  Would a monthly or weekly or even daily FAQ
> pointer post, be less obnoxious, or many one-liners/day?  I'm leaning
> towards the weekly FAQ pointer, 3-5 lines, maybe once a week.  I could
> do that through an autoresponder type setup, (say on Netscape.Net),
> pretty easily I think.
>
>   I'll pile up options & overwhelm Jory here -
>
>   Let's let this cook for a bit while I read the huge manual <G>

It is a good idea Mark but - these, uhm, persons who send the
offending unsubscribe messages to the list, can't even read
the 'To:' address on their mailers, so there is no reason to
beleive they would read any of the FAQ messages at all.

Do you know if it is possible to set up a mailer to check for
the keyword 'unsubscribe', and then :
1) Change its own reply-to address to listserv (this is the hard part, I suppose)
2) Have no subject line
3) Have UNSUBSCRIBE PICLIST in the body, and if the list server will ignore it,
  also contain something like "Hit reply - you will get a second confirmation message"
4) Change its own reply-to address back

Ideally, we could also add a few profanities, but we could leave that for now ;)

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1999\03\05@142937 by Gerhard Fiedler

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At 14:17 03/05/99 +0200, Tjaart van der Walt wrote:
>Do you know if it is possible to set up a mailer to check for
>the keyword 'unsubscribe', and then :
>1) Change its own reply-to address to listserv (this is the hard part, I
>suppose)
>2) Have no subject line
>3) Have UNSUBSCRIBE PICLIST in the body, and if the list server will ignore
>it,
>   also contain something like "Hit reply - you will get a second
>confirmation message"
>4) Change its own reply-to address back

i don't know about the list server, but with my email client this would
(almost) be possible, if i understand you correctly. the tough part for an
email client is not to put in the reply-to header (i can do that, and put
in there whatever i want), but to reply only to the "offender". this seems
to be beyond the scope of most normal email client filters.

ge

1999\03\05@161509 by Mark Willis

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Tjaart van der Walt wrote:
>
> Mark Willis wrote:
> >
> > (continuing the thread about unsubscribes, FAQ pointers, etc. etc.)
> > <snipped>
> >   Let's let this cook for a bit while I read the huge manual <G>
>
> It is a good idea Mark but - these, uhm, persons who send the
> offending unsubscribe messages to the list, can't even read
> the 'To:' address on their mailers, so there is no reason to
> beleive they would read any of the FAQ messages at all.
>
> Do you know if it is possible to set up a mailer to check for
> the keyword 'unsubscribe', and then :
> 1) Change its own reply-to address to listserv (this is the hard part, I suppo
se)
> 2) Have no subject line
> 3) Have UNSUBSCRIBE PICLIST in the body, and if the list server will ignore it
,
>    also contain something like "Hit reply - you will get a second confirmation
message"
> 4) Change its own reply-to address back
>
> Ideally, we could also add a few profanities, but we could leave that for now
;)
>
> --
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 I don't think the Subject line being blank is a necessity at all.  I
think it just plain is IGNORED (I've put a copy of the text body in the
subject line, a number of times, on various mailing engines & had zero
problems.  Ignored is ignored is ignored <G>)  I'll read the manual on
that to check.

 It's going to take until Monday for me to get a chance to read the
manual (I'll take ALL DAY today to get my inbox read at this rate!) and
there are a few other things going on (Turns out my ISP is, knowingly or
not, harboring a company that sells SPAMware, if they're going to keep
doing that I'll be moving to another ISP by Monday or so, I'm hoping
they just nuke them.)  And today's Rent day (Probably ought to go handle
that! <G>)

 I've set up a smaller group on an e-mail, we can all discuss this off
the list somewhat I suppose, to not flood those who aren't interested.
I'll catch up today on everything.  I thought of something like that in
the message off-group already, but until I read the manual I'll not know
what the mail list server CAN do, or if it'd be better to do something
else in parallel (I have, Um, "MANY" computers here, it'd be easy enough
to have one set up a proposed e-mail for me, quoting the person who
posted any mail with "Unsub" or "Signoff" or whatever in the subject or
text, running NetTamer or something, and I could just hit Send or
Delete, on one of the tiny Siig 286's I have here.  Or an old 386 or 486
or spare slower Pentium.)

 Mark

1999\03\05@161513 by Mark Willis

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Gerhard Fiedler wrote:
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 No software engineers on the list, are there?  <EG>

 I suspect something is out there under Linux to do just that, need to
go look!

 Mark

1999\03\05@170121 by Alan King

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 Unsubscribe is a pretty useless word in Piclist context.  Why not just
have the list look through the messages coming in, and if unsubscribe is
anywhere in it, remove that email address from the list.
 The list is checking at least part of the message for dupes anyway, so
looking for that shouldn't add too much.  Would also instantly kill all
the unsubscribe discussions! ;)  If I were a betting man, (Ha, $100
anyone?) I'd put money on the people who want to be on the list figuring
out how to get back on (and avoiding the word 'unsubscribe'!) working a
lot better than people who don't have a clue figuring out how to get
off.  No redirecting or any other complicated crap, just SIGNOFF PICLIST
everyone who sends a mail with unsubscribe anywhere in it..
Alan



Mark Willis wrote:
>
> Tjaart van der Walt wrote:
> >
> > Mark Willis wrote:
> > It is a good idea Mark but - these, uhm, persons who send the
> > offending unsubscribe messages to the list, can't even read
> > the 'To:' address on their mailers, so there is no reason to
> > beleive they would read any of the FAQ messages at all.

'HELP! UNSUBSCRIBE [OT]'
1999\03\06@171921 by Mark Willis

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Adriano De Minicis wrote:
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 The other thing (if we do it like the one list done this way) is that
the message could include a rev. level, so each time it changes, even
the experienced people know (they could choose to filter ising a
"contains" versus "is" rule, if they didn't want to read 'em, but if we
put administrativa in there, new subscribers would have a chance etc.,
and the experienced users probably "should" check each new revision out,
to know what's changed?)

 Now, if I can get to reading the manual <G>

 Mark

1999\03\06@175534 by Gerhard Fiedler

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At 14:18 03/06/99 -0800, Mark Willis wrote:
>  The other thing (if we do it like the one list done this way) is that
>the message could include a rev. level, so each time it changes, even
>the experienced people know (they could choose to filter ising a
>"contains" versus "is" rule, if they didn't want to read 'em, but if we
>put administrativa in there, new subscribers would have a chance etc.,
>and the experienced users probably "should" check each new revision out,
>to know what's changed?)

yes, that's good. maybe check also into a combination of previously
proposed procedures: everybody who sends something containing "unsubscribe"
to the piclist, gets automatically a copy of the faq sent to him (rather
than unsubscribed), with the listserv address in the reply-to header (and
containing a mailto link within the message, and ... geez, the "internet
license" idea really looks attractive :).

ge

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