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2004\10\01@093321 by Lawrence Lile

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This article reads like "Zen and The art of Assembly Language"  

Russell will appreciate it especially.

http://www.embedded.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=47208538

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2004\10\01@094646 by Lawrence Lile

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Here are some samples:

"Stop and listen to your inner voice!"

"If you do end up with a needle, divide the haystack."

"The "beginner's mind" is a Zen concept of emptying your mind so it can be open to new solutions. The power of the beginner's mind should not be underestimated. A fresh pair of eyes can work wonders. Even a truly empty mind, such as a manager's, can help. "




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2004\10\01@100827 by Ake Hedman

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Lawrence Lile wrote:

> Here are some samples:
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> "Stop and listen to your inner voice!"
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> "If you do end up with a needle, divide the haystack."
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> "The "beginner's mind" is a Zen concept of emptying your mind so it can be open to new solutions. The power of the beginner's mind should not be underestimated. A fresh pair of eyes can work wonders. Even a truly empty mind, such as a manager's, can help. "
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>"Even a truly empty mind, such as a manager's, can help."
naa.. I doubt that... but have an example of the opposite.. (where managers can be of use....)

I designed an infrared keyboard keyboard in the 80-th working great on my desk. The day before the first public demo the manager who should demonstrate the system came by to get some instructions and test the system. He typed on the keyboard and nothing happened. I typed on the keyboard an it worked perfectly. He tried again . Not a key was recorded by the system. Several hours later I found a timing error that resulted in that a pressing of a key in a slowly and sloppy way did not work but hitting it fast and prompt worked. So managers can be of use and the demo went well...

Lawrence, a good and very interesting article to read.

Regards
/Ake





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2004\10\01@111913 by Lawrence Lile

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Managers can be useful in many ways:

They can hold down papers that are blowing away

They take up space that would otherwise have to be air conditioned or heated, thus saving money on utility bills

Sometimes they sign paychecks, which sometimes don't bounce.

They keep chairs and seats from being stolen or lost, by sitting in them

They can make sure the phone does not grow cobwebs by talking on it all day.
Sometimes managers can keep other managers from bugging you while you are coding.  Ok, sometimes not.

If you have a jar of beans, they can count them, keeping them busy and not bugging you while you are coding.


Seriously, I had a manager who had high frequency hearing loss, and I would call him over every time I made a project that had a beeper.  If he could hear it, I know everybody could hear it.  


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2004\10\01@115928 by Ake Hedman

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Lawrence Lile wrote:

> Managers can be useful in many ways:
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> They can hold down papers that are blowing away
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> They take up space that would otherwise have to be air conditioned or heated, thus saving money on utility bills
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> Sometimes they sign paychecks, which sometimes don't bounce.
>
> They keep chairs and seats from being stolen or lost, by sitting in them
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> They can make sure the phone does not grow cobwebs by talking on it all day.
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> Sometimes managers can keep other managers from bugging you while you are coding.  Ok, sometimes not.
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> If you have a jar of beans, they can count them, keeping them busy and not bugging you while you are coding.
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> Seriously, I had a manager who had high frequency hearing loss, and I would call him over every time I made a project that had a beeper.  If he could hear it, I know everybody could hear it.  
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LOL (in bold...) Hopefully will be able to work a bit later when I stop laughing.....

/Ake

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2004\10\01@120743 by Alan B. Pearce

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>They can make sure the phone does not grow
>cobwebs by talking on it all day.

Heh, had one of those. We reckoned he suffered from "Glue Ear" - he always
had the phone glued to his ear. Soon as you suggested something that might
cost him money, it was time to find the phone again.

>Sometimes managers can keep other managers
>from bugging you while you are coding.
>Ok, sometimes not.

Well I guess project meetings have to be useful for something.

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2004\10\01@130619 by William Chops Westfield

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Try a different compiler.

It's amazing how many bugs show with different compilers.  Some show
up just because compilers have different ideas about how strict they
should be about certain types of possible errors.  Others show up
when storage is allocated differently, or similar...

BillW

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2004\10\04@112909 by Mike Hord

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> "The "beginner's mind" is a Zen concept of emptying your mind so it
>can be open to new solutions. The power of the beginner's mind should
>not be underestimated. A fresh pair of eyes can work wonders. Even a
>truly empty mind, such as a manager's, can help. "

"In the beginner's mind, there are many possibilities.  It is in the mind of
the expert that there are few."

Sort of the original exhortation to "think outside of the box".  Of course,
"thinking outside of the box" has now become such a cliche that it
frankly has no use.  "Beginner's mind" is a bit more descriptive and
helpful, whereas "outside the box" is kind of random.

Mike H.
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