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2000\10\11@004552 by Jilles Oldenbeuving

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Since the time enrolled an MBA-education, Higher Informatics, i've got
to write dozens of C++ programs. That is all fine, but we've got to
deliver also the analysis, implementation and design for each assignment.
With the design part i've got to make a PSD - Program Structure Diagram.
I still do this in Word (bleh!) with tables. Is there some other software
that
would make this part much more easier? Also note that this is not a
C++ thing but applies to all the languages around...

Hope to hear a good answer...


Regards,

Jilles Oldenbeuving
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2000\10\11@091546 by M. Adam Davis

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Visio is a program which will do what you want (vector drawing program), but I'm
sure there are other tools which may more closely fit your needs.  Try asking in
the sci.comp newsgroups, someone there will have more information.

-Adam

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2000\10\11@111200 by Don Hyde

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I'm very fond of ABC FlowCharter from Micrografx.  Lately they've renamed
it, packaged it with a bunch of other junk, and raised the price, but it
still works extremely well for any sort of lines-and-boxes drawings.

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2000\10\11@114913 by Stein Sem-Jacobsen

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I think Visio from M$ might be what you're looking for.

Regards
Stein Sem-Jacobsen
Norway

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Since the time enrolled an MBA-education, Higher Informatics, i've got
to write dozens of C++ programs. That is all fine, but we've got to
deliver also the analysis, implementation and design for each assignment.
With the design part i've got to make a PSD - Program Structure Diagram.
I still do this in Word (bleh!) with tables. Is there some other software
that
would make this part much more easier? Also note that this is not a
C++ thing but applies to all the languages around...

Hope to hear a good answer...


Regards,

Jilles Oldenbeuving
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2000\10\11@131917 by Douglas Wood

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Jilles,

For documenting the structure of a program, try OpenSelect's OpenSelect
YOURDON CASE tools. It uses the Yourdon methodology. I've used this tool
(available for Windows) since 1992. It does data flow diagrams, state
transision diagrams, and a lot more.

Douglas Wood
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2000\10\11@151102 by w. v. ooijen / f. hanneman

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> With the design part i've got to make a PSD - Program Structure Diagram.
Is that the graphic notation where a loop is a small box which is soft of
left and top enclosed by the condition? When I was assisent in Delft  (> 10
y ago) I had to check such drawings. I hoped this technique (which adds
absolutely nothing over simple C, Pascal or pseudo code) would be abandoned
by now... As for tools: pen and paper? My favourite Yourdon tool is still
my tea mug (must be empty though).
Wouter

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2000\10\11@181509 by Jilles Oldenbeuving

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I work with that one too, but ABC Flowcharter doesn't generate
PSD's, it generates Flowcharts (what's in a name? <g>) I like ABC too,
but for my assigments i've got to make PSD's and those are so hard
to draw in Word useing tables and all...

Regards,

Jilles Oldenbeuving
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Onderwerp: Re: [OT]: Documentation Software


>I'm very fond of ABC FlowCharter from Micrografx.  Lately they've renamed
>it, packaged it with a bunch of other junk, and raised the price, but it
>still works extremely well for any sort of lines-and-boxes drawings.
>
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2000\10\11@181517 by Jilles Oldenbeuving

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I think i'll check out that Visio stuff then... (yug! another M$-product on
my machine...)


Regards,

Jilles Oldenbeuving
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>I think Visio from M$ might be what you're looking for.
>
>Regards
>Stein Sem-Jacobsen
>Norway
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2000\10\11@182528 by Jilles Oldenbeuving

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>> With the design part i've got to make a PSD - Program Structure Diagram.
>Is that the graphic notation where a loop is a small box which is soft of
>left and top enclosed by the condition? When I was assisent in Delft  (> 10
>y ago) I had to check such drawings. I hoped this technique (which adds
>absolutely nothing over simple C, Pascal or pseudo code) would be abandoned
>by now... As for tools: pen and paper? My favourite Yourdon tool is still
>my tea mug (must be empty though).
>Wouter


I tried to convince my teacher (at Informatica Windesheim, Zwolle) this
too... But hey,
this is the college-program for this year, and so will it be done!
(Like a law or so). You're absolutely right in respect to what you
think a PSD is.
Even worse, i've got to summit BOTH a PSD and pseudo code... :-)
I've told the teacher i wasn't doing that, becouse they're basicly the
same thing... And he agreed, but the rest of the class still had
to do both psd and pseudo code... :-) But you'd be supprised to
see what one can do with a little fantasy and Word, drawing tables and
stuff...

Wouter, what do you use when developping a huge software project?


Greets, Jilles

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2000\10\12@045144 by w. v. ooijen / f. hanneman

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Maybe I shoud add a second [OT]: ?

> Even worse, i've got to summit BOTH a PSD and pseudo code... :-)
> I've told the teacher i wasn't doing that, becouse they're basicly the
> same thing... And he agreed, but the rest of the class still had
> to do both psd and pseudo code... :-) But you'd be supprised to

So there is still some reward for the one who stands up and protests.

> Wouter, what do you use when developping a huge software project?

My brains and Word (any other set of text/graphics/programming would be
fine too, for instance vi + pen/paper + C). My current company likes Doors
(a requirements managing tool) but I perefer Word (with a some ad-hoc of
word basic code) and Access.

But I must say that I probably never did a huge software project (with
let's say 100+ developers). For single-person development (for me up to 10
- 30k lines) any technique (or no technique at all) will work. For larger
projects (more people) the company will often have a preferred (or
mandatory) technique, so it is best to use that (save your energy for
making small adjustments, not to fight the system).

Wouter

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2000\10\12@130710 by Jilles Oldenbeuving

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I'm glad to say, i've found a program that does the trick. It's an oldie
from the previous century (1989) by some F. Reuling. The nicest thing
too is that once you have created the PSD you can let the program
(PSDCAD) make a C-file (wich with some modification will
compile). Thanx for all your help. I've you're interested (or someone
else for that matter) i'd be pleased to know...


Regards,

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