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'16F84 availability through digi-key'
1997\08\13@100526 by Bill Pollack

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PICers,
Someone commented there is 12 week backlog on the 16F84-04I/P via
digikey...  This was certainly true 2 weeks ago when I tried ordering
some.

At the time they had the 10Mhz version - 16F84-10I/P in stock.  I chose
to pay the extra $0.50/ea for the faster part.

Presently my parts are trapped in a UPS warehouse somewhere... :(

-Bill

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'PIC START PLUS From Digi-Key'
1998\02\21@151839 by Mike
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I saw Bob Blick's comment about the PIC START--but that $148.88 price tag is
incorrect.  I just ordered it and it is $199.++.  Seems that Microchip
changed the price of it almost before the Digi-Key catalog came out.  I was
torqued!!! to say the least but ordered it anyway.  Its a shame that
Microchip would do something like that but ...  better let it go I guess.

Just wanted to save anyone else the pain that I went through at the time I
ordered mine.  Its not Digi-Key's fault, and the order lady I talked to when
I ordered mine was very polite and full of sorry's about the whole deal.  Be
nice if Microchip would give us a rebate if orderd during the three month
period of the Digi-Key catalog currently published.

Mike
Regards...
Mike Hall - "http://members.aol.com/mhall34450/"
WB8ICN
Dayton, Ohio

1998\02\21@154542 by Calvin

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Hello All,

I have a PicStart Plus programmer and I just can't get it to communicate
with my PC. When I run MPLAB and try to select the comm port for the
programmer, all the options appear dimmed. I tried changing the BWCC.DLL
driver, the MPPLUS.DLL, reinstalling MPLAB, checking the ports on the Device
Manager and configuring them manually, etc.
I have com2 available but so far I haven't been able to 'undimm' it in
MPLAB.

Please, help...

TIA

Gabriel Gonzalez
TGO Electronica

1998\02\21@162036 by Charles Laforge

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Just to add to this... if you are a student or an educational
institution make sure you ask for the educational discout on the
PICSTART PLUS.  I'm not sure whether you do this with Digikey directly
or if you have to go throught Microchip but since I got this information
from my Microchip Rep yours should also be aware of the details.

Just wanted to share this and hopefully save some people a few bucks.

Charles



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>From:         Mike <.....wb8icnKILLspamspam@spam@DNACO.NET>
>Subject:      PIC START PLUS From Digi-Key
>To:           PICLISTspamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
>
>I saw Bob Blick's comment about the PIC START--but that $148.88 price
tag is
>incorrect.  I just ordered it and it is $199.++.  Seems that Microchip
>changed the price of it almost before the Digi-Key catalog came out.  I
was
>torqued!!! to say the least but ordered it anyway.  Its a shame that
>Microchip would do something like that but ...  better let it go I
guess.
>
>Just wanted to save anyone else the pain that I went through at the
time I
>ordered mine.  Its not Digi-Key's fault, and the order lady I talked to
when
>I ordered mine was very polite and full of sorry's about the whole
deal.  Be
>nice if Microchip would give us a rebate if orderd during the three
month
>period of the Digi-Key catalog currently published.
>
>Mike
>Regards...
>Mike Hall - "http://members.aol.com/mhall34450/"
>WB8ICN
>Dayton, Ohio
>


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1998\02\21@162915 by Sean Breheny

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At 01:20 PM 2/21/98 PST, you wrote:
>Just to add to this... if you are a student or an educational
>institution make sure you ask for the educational discout on the
>PICSTART PLUS.  I'm not sure whether you do this with Digikey directly
>or if you have to go throught Microchip but since I got this information
>from my Microchip Rep yours should also be aware of the details.
>
>Just wanted to share this and hopefully save some people a few bucks.
>
>Charles

Charles,

How much is the educational discount?

Thanks,

Sean


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1998\02\21@174318 by Ken Pergola

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Mike wrote:

> Be nice if Microchip would give us a rebate if orderd during the three month
> period of the Digi-Key catalog currently published.

Mike,

Give Microchip a call and explain the scenario. Who knows, *maybe* they'll give
you a break.
A lot of companies are pretty reasonable when it comes to customer service. You
just have to give them a try before you feel frustrated.

Good luck,

Ken Pergola

1998\02\21@194506 by Charles Laforge

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>From:         Sean Breheny <EraseMEshb7spam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTCORNELL.EDU>
>Subject:      Re: PIC START PLUS From Digi-Key
>To:           PICLISTspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU
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>At 01:20 PM 2/21/98 PST, you wrote:
>>Just to add to this... if you are a student or an educational
>>institution make sure you ask for the educational discout on the
>>PICSTART PLUS.  I'm not sure whether you do this with Digikey directly
>>or if you have to go throught Microchip but since I got this
information
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The Canadian rep informed me I could get the package for approx. $150
CND.  (Please don't quote me on this)  I am at work right now and don't
have my Digikey catalog handy but perhaps someone else can tell you what
the regularly go for in CND bucks.

Good Luck!

Charles

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1998\02\21@215702 by Herbert Graf

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pic microcontroller discussion list
> [@spam@PICLISTKILLspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Charles Laforge
> Sent: February 21, 1998 19:45
> To: KILLspamPICLISTKILLspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: PIC START PLUS From Digi-Key

> >>or if you have to go throught Microchip but since I got this
> information
> >>from my Microchip Rep yours should also be aware of the details.
> >>
> >>Just wanted to share this and hopefully save some people a few bucks.
> >
> >How much is the educational discount?
>
> The Canadian rep informed me I could get the package for approx. $150
> CND.  (Please don't quote me on this)  I am at work right now and don't
> have my Digikey catalog handy but perhaps someone else can tell you what
> the regularly go for in CND bucks.

       Well in my Digikey catalog they list it at $199US, that comes to about
$280.59CND. Not a bad deal, more than $100 off, if the quote is correct.
TTYL

1998\02\21@220715 by Richard Nowak

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Open up Mplab.ini in the windows directory and under programmers set the
commport to the one that the picstart is connected to.

[programmers]
current=PRO MATE Device Programmer
0=PRO MATE Device Programmer
1=PICSTART Plus Dev. Programmer
commport=2

Rich

At 02:46 PM 2/21/98 -0600, you wrote:
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1998\02\22@001208 by Alvin Tan

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Charles Laforge wrote:

> The Canadian rep informed me I could get the package for approx. $150
> CND.  (Please don't quote me on this)  I am at work right now and
> don't
> have my Digikey catalog handy but perhaps someone else can tell you
> what
> the regularly go for in CND bucks.
>
> Good Luck!
>
> Charles

       Is that price for the Educational version?  I am currently a
student at BCIT, but didn't know about the educational version.  I got
my Picstart Plus last December, and got it for around CDN $200 + Taxes =
$230.

Alvin

1998\02\22@084006 by Gene Norris

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The $148.88 price was a special offer at the end of last year which
expired on 12/31/97.  I am not sure when it started.  Just before the
end of the year I got a new Jameco catalog and noticed that the price
had jumped to $199 and then someone on this list mentioned the special
offer and I went out that day to purchase one that day.



At 03:13 PM 2/21/98 -0500, you wrote:
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1998\02\22@123009 by Charles Laforge

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I don't have the letter here with me but what I believe my Microchip
reprensentative said was the PicStart Plus was available to students for
$150 versus the $212 (I think thats the current CND Digikey price) it
normally sells.  I don't beleive its for an educational or slimmed down
version but for the full package.  You might have to order it through
your school or something... I'm not sure.  If i think about it I'll
contact my rep tommorow and get more details for you guys.

Actually, any Canadian reps on the list?

Charles



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1998\02\22@134705 by Robert McAtee

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Good Idea about the rebate Mike. After the gal told me it was just a
promotional price good in Dec 97 it took me several days to get over being
mad. Like you I finally ordered it. I wonder if the price difference was
worth the flak their sales persons must have received...... ==Mac==
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At 03:13 PM 2/21/98 -0500, you wrote:
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1998\02\23@135939 by andre

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Calvin wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I have a PicStart Plus programmer and I just can't get it to communicate
> with my PC. When I run MPLAB and try to select the comm port for the
> programmer, all the options appear dimmed. I tried changing the BWCC.DLL
> driver, the MPPLUS.DLL, reinstalling MPLAB, checking the ports on the Device
> Manager and configuring them manually, etc.
> I have com2 available but so far I haven't been able to 'undimm' it in
> MPLAB.
>
> Please, help...
>
> TIA
>
> Gabriel Gonzalez
> TGO Electronica

Hi Gabriel.

a few thing I will recommend it should work.
before you do any thing disconnect your mouse cable and
connect it with com2 to see your port is fine is yes continue

1. do not reinstall with out deleting old mplab .
2. run diskscan first.
3. rum memmaker
4. install new mplab
5. in system folder unchecked FIFO
6. restart your pc

Andre Abelian

let me know if you still have problem.








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1998\02\23@183338 by H.P.d.Vries

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Andre Abelian wrote:
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I've had a (similar) problem with my picstart-plus. It won't initialise
when my modem is in use and vice versa. Maybe this is because com2 and
com4 share IRQ? I still dont know exactly what it is, but I can't be
online and program pic's at the same time now ;)

Hans

1998\02\23@230940 by Richard Nowak

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Comm ports 1 and 3 typically share the same IRQ as does comm ports 2 and 4.
You can't have two devices operating at the same time both using the same IRQ.

I received a message from Gabriel stating that his problem got fixed when he
made the edit in the Mplab.ini file as I suggested.  He claims that it did
not fix the "dim" selections problem however.

Rich

At 09:38 PM 2/23/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Andre Abelian wrote:
>>
>> Calvin wrote:
>>
>> > Hello All,
>> >
>> > I have a PicStart Plus programmer and I just can't get it to communicate
>> > with my PC. When I run MPLAB and try to select the comm port for the
>> > programmer, all the options appear dimmed. I tried changing the BWCC.DLL
>> > driver, the MPPLUS.DLL, reinstalling MPLAB, checking the ports on the
Device
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'Rotary Shaft Encoders from Digi-Key'
1998\07\25@115229 by Thomas McGahee
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Some data for your files.

Digi-Key sells the following 3 pin rotary encoders that use
continuous rotation quadrature output:

Bournes 9mm Square/Sealed Encoder. 6 pulses/rev. 3 pin, 2 bit.
Contact bounce at 15 rpm = 5 ms max
Max operating rpm = 120
Right angle mount Digi-Key 3315C-1-006-ND cost $2.59
Vertical mount Digi-Key 3315Y-1-006-ND cost $2.59

CTS 16mm 10K rev life. 16 pulses/rev. 3 pin, 2 bit.
non-dentented Digi-Key CT3001-ND $2.47
detented Digi-Key CT3002-ND $2.47

Panasonic. 15 pulses/rev. 30 detents/rev. 3 pin, 2 bit.
At 1 rev/sec the bounce is less than 5 ms. 15K rev life.
Includes a separate SPST push-on switch.
11 mm Rotary Sq vert with Switch Digi-Key P80675-ND $6.79

Panasonic. 24 pulses.rev. 24 detents/rev. (3 pins used) 2 bit.
(4 physical pins, 1 not used)
At 1 rev/sec the bounce is less than 5 ms. 50K rev life.
14 mm rotary sq vert
Digi-Key P80685-ND $2.97
Digi-Key P80695-ND $2.97
Digi-Key P80705-ND $2.97
(The difference is in the size of the shaft)



*****
The following is not a quadrature type switch, but
rather an absolte position GRAY scale encoded rotary
that is useful for determining absolute position.
CTS 16mm 10K rev life. 16 codes/rev. 6 pin, 4 bit
non-dentented Digi-Key CT3003-ND $3.35

Digi-Key also sells several more expensive rotary encoders
of the quadrature type ranging from $20 - $50 that will
handle millions of revs.

Quadrature encoders are very easy to use. They make good
menu selector input devices. The phase of the quadrature
tells you the direction of rotation.

Hope this helps.
Fr. Tom McGahee

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'12C671 /JW at Digi-Key'
1998\10\11@210455 by miked
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Yes they have them(I got one). While checking with thier parts
search, I see they now list the 12CE518 but have 0 in stock.
Hopefully it won't take them a year and a half to get these in.


'PIC16F87X at Digi-Key'
1999\06\09@181430 by Dan Larson
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Digi-Key now has the entire 16F87X part number line
in their database.  If you do a web search on 16F87
you will see the whole family.  Alas, they only have
the PIC16F877-20/P in stock.  All others show zero
available.  My thought is that they must be close to
filling the distribution pipeline.

Now, I have to get to work on the firmware and
software for my custom-hacked YAPP programmer....

Dan

BTW, they still have 880 16F877's left!

'Digi-Key and the PIC16F877-20/P'
1999\06\15@170703 by Don McKenzie

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I just contacted Digi-Key for sales of PIC16F877-20/P Micros.
This is the only 87x part they are showing as in stock.

This is what I was told when I attempted to make a bulk purchase:

>Microchip has been having problems with these chips
>and it is them that will only let us sell 10 to a customer

Pushing further, I couldn't find out any more.
"Having Problems" Does anyone know what that really means?

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1999\06\15@175845 by Andy Kunz

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>"Having Problems" Does anyone know what that really means?

... delivering.

I just bought 40 today from FAI, and placed a PO for 500 '876s w/o a problem.

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1999\06\15@190521 by Tony Nixon

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Don McKenzie wrote:

>Microchip has been having problems with these chips
>and it is them that will only let us sell 10 to a customer

>"Having Problems" Does anyone know what that really means?


Probably no-one. Don't forget these chips are a new item and are bound
to have bugs of some form or another.

As I heard at the seminar...

We, the users are the guinea pigs that help sort the problems out with
new devices. That's why there's so many periferals on them. It makes it
easier to debug 1 chip than a whole lot of new ones. No doubt in the
future there will be a few smaller spin offs from this design.


A real bummer, the (ES) chip I got from the seminar refuses to do
anything. Maybe it's just a plastic look-a-like.

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1999\06\15@221138 by Don McKenzie

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Tony Nixon wrote:
>
> Don McKenzie wrote:
>
> >Microchip has been having problems with these chips
> >and it is them that will only let us sell 10 to a customer

snip---

> A real bummer, the (ES) chip I got from the seminar refuses to do
> anything. Maybe it's just a plastic look-a-like.

The one we programmed came from the same (ES) batch I'm sure.
See pic at:
http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~donmck/vicuni/16f877.html

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'Digi-Key and PIC16F877-20/P'
1999\06\16@045740 by Alexey Vladimirov

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16 Jun 99, Don McKenzie writes to All:

P> I just contacted Digi-Key for sales of PIC16F877-20/P Micros.

P> This is what I was told when I attempted to make a bulk purchase:

>> Microchip has been having problems with these chips
>> and it is them that will only let us sell 10 to a customer

P> Pushing further, I couldn't find out any more.
P> "Having Problems" Does anyone know what that really means?

Looks like Digi-Key try to restrict international orders for Microchip
products. When I try to order 4 pcs PIC16F877-20/P and some PIC16C73A, I get
the following response from Digi-Key international sales:

=== Cut ===

>>Due to current regulations we are unable to ship the PIC16C73A-20I/SO-ND
>>and PIC16F877-20/P-ND to your country at this time.  Please let me know
>>if you have substitutes for these or if you would like me to cancel
>>them.

=== Cut ===

I have been ordered Microchip parts from Digi-Key many times for some urgent
needs - no problem till this time. Anybody have some ideas, what this
"regulations" really means ?

Alexey

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'16F877-20/P in stock at Digi-Key!'
1999\11\17@113719 by Dan Larson
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Just checked yesterday and noticed that Digi-Key
has over 700 16F877-20/P in stock at $12.80US
each qty 1.

Of course, mine are already ordered 8-)

Dan

1999\11\18@204140 by miked

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> Just checked yesterday and noticed that Digi-Key
> has over 700 16F877-20/P in stock at $12.80US
> each qty 1.
>
> Of course, mine are already ordered 8-)
>
> Dan
>
They seem to be out off all the 28SDIP 16F87x parts.
But they now have 16HV540s in stock.


'[OT]: Digi-Key Q003'
2000\06\27@194350 by miked
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Just got the new catalog. They now carry AMTEL uPs, the Rabbit
2000 and more TI analog.

2000\06\28@091409 by Bennett, Matt

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I checked the website for availability on the Atmel 8515 (PLCC and TQFP
packages)- estimated time they will get 'em in - October 31st, 2000 (Isn't
that 4th quarter? ;).  Not Digi-Key's fault, though, Atmel has serious
supply problems.  Digi-Key has continued the tradition of high prices.  On
the AVRs, they are higher than the distributors we use, even down to single
quantities.

Word from our distributor is that Atmel is devoting most of its capacity to
Flash memories and allocating the rest of their MCU builds.  If you want
large quantities of Atmel MCUs, get in line and be prepared to wait 26-30+
weeks.

Matt Bennett

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Just got the new catalog. They now carry AMTEL uPs, the Rabbit
2000 and more TI analog.


'[OT]: Digi-Key'
2001\01\05@184047 by miked
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I see their newest catalog is about half as thick as the last 2000 one. Have
they dropped a lot of lines?

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'[PIC]: Digi-Key Ceramic Resonators'
2002\06\27@142236 by Alan Shinn
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Pardon me if this is a re-send.

Digi-Key sells a ZTT series 4 mHz ceramic resonator (through hole) with
built in caps for $0.68 ($.45 in 100s).
Does anyone have experience with these? Do they seem to work as well
with (say) PIC16F84A or 16F628 as the much acclaimed (and characterized
for PIC) Murata devices.
The reason I ask is that I don't know where to get the Murata parts nor
what to order, Digi-Key is easy.

They also have a surface mount  ECS-SRA-B series. Same question??
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2002\06\27@143925 by Eisermann, Phil [Ridg/CO]

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Mouser carries murata, so does Pioneer (i think).

I've had one experience with ECS. It was a SMD crystal (ECS-SR1-4.00-B) on a
PIC711 and PIC715. It failed to work at temperatures higher than 30C (thats
around 86F). They confirmed that it would not work, unless i purchased one
without caps, and added caps myself. Sort of defeats the purpose of built-in
caps. I replaced it with a murata part. That one worked up to at least 120C.
My wire insulation was starting to soften at that point, so we did not go
any higher

Both resonators workd down to at least -60C. it might have been the
resonator or the PIC that stopped working at that point.


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2002\06\27@161425 by John Hansen

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They work great.  I use them all the time.   Mouser also has them for a
slightly lower price, but not enough to warrant placing an order with two
different companies.

John Hansen

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2002\06\27@221459 by Peter Anderson

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I have been using and selling these for some five
years.  Thousands, with no problems.

I have however had problems with the 20 MHz units and
encourage a crystal at frequencies above 4.0 MHz.

Peter H Anderson, http://www.phanderson.com

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>
> Digi-Key sells a ZTT series 4 mHz ceramic resonator
> (through hole) with
> built in caps for $0.68 ($.45 in 100s).
> Does anyone have experience with these? Do they seem
> to work as well


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2002\06\28@011435 by Daniel Rubin

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I have had absolutely no problem using the 20MHz ZTT ceramic resonator
(with built in caps) and a PIC16F877.  I use the chip's hardware serial
module so there is timing involved and everything works like a charm.

- Dan


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2002\06\28@122350 by Harold M Hallikainen

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       In my experience, pretty much any of the commonly available 3 pin
ceramic resonators work at 4 and 10 MHz. I'm now using the ZTT series
from Digikey on 18C452 and 18F452 with the clock multiplier. Works fine.
At 16 MHz, however, I found anything but murata to be unreliable.
       In one product where we went surface mount, the surface mount 4 MHz
resonator with caps from Digikey was unreliable with a 16f628. We surface
mounted leaded devices until we got the board characterized by murata.

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2002\06\28@122402 by Harold M Hallikainen

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       Back when I was having trouble with ECS through hole resonators with
built in caps, I called them to see what could be done. They said that as
long as the part worked in their sample circuit (a cmos inverter
oscillator circuit), the part was fine and the problem was on my end (ie,
the PIC and my two very short traces). We then designed in the murata.
This, again, was at 16 MHz on a 16c74. ECS seems fine at 4 and 10 MHz,
just not 16 on a PIC.

Harold


On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:39:07 -0400 "Eisermann, Phil [Ridg/CO]"
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2002\06\28@143844 by Eisermann, Phil [Ridg/CO]

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Originally I wrote:

> I've had one experience with ECS. It was a SMD crystal
> (ECS-SR1-4.00-B) on a PIC711 and PIC715. It failed
> to work at temperatures higher than 30C (thats
> around 86F).


Harold followed up with:
>         In one product where we went surface mount, the
> surface mount 4 MHz resonator with caps from Digikey
> was unreliable with a 16f628. We surface mounted
> leaded devices until we got the board characterized by
> murata.

Where these SMD crystals from ECS? That would be
useful information. Two people experiencing problems
with 4 MHz SMD crystals from ECS.


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2002\06\28@161648 by Harold M Hallikainen

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On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:38:01 -0400 "Eisermann, Phil [Ridg/CO]"
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> Where these SMD crystals from ECS? That would be
> useful information. Two people experiencing problems
> with 4 MHz SMD crystals from ECS.
>

       They were ceramic resonators (SMT) from Panasonic, I think.

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'[PIC]: 18F with CAN at Digi-Key'
2002\09\12@113843 by Hazelwood Lyle
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Just an FYI, Digi-Key shows a limited
quantity of 18F458 in stock.

These appear to be the first of the
CAN equipped 18F chips to appear
so far through regular distribution channels.

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2002\09\12@120817 by Claudio Tagliola

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Hi all,


http://asp.microchip.com/distisearch/distijump.asp?partnumber=PIC18F448-I/L

Shows stock at DigiKey, Future Electronics and Arrow

http://asp.microchip.com/distisearch/distijump.asp?partnumber=PIC18F458-I/L

Shows stock at Future Electronics and DigiKey.

The rate at which this is going, I guess next week they all have them.

DigiKey is screaming expensive over here in Europe. Better go for Future.


Regards,

Claudio

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Just an FYI, Digi-Key shows a limited
quantity of 18F458 in stock.

These appear to be the first of the
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2002\09\12@191806 by M. Adam Davis

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I recall when 16f877 chips cost 10-12 dollars each [US].

These 18f458 with can are not cheap, but they certianly aren't
expensive...  I've always wondered why the DIP packages are cheaper at
digikey than the other smaller packages...

-Adam

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2002\09\12@193440 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 07:16 PM 9/12/02 -0400, you wrote:
>I recall when 16f877 chips cost 10-12 dollars each [US].
>
>These 18f458 with can are not cheap, but they certianly aren't
>expensive...  I've always wondered why the DIP packages are cheaper at
>digikey than the other smaller packages...

It's nice to see some stock in the PQFP right off. I suspect the
cost has to do with handling. I've gotten several small lots of
QFP chips that are about 98% packaging. It's not just Digikey is
it? Pioneer's pricing is similar. I think it's Microchip policy for
low-quantity. Many other makers are going SMT-only (eg. MSP430F)

The ancient bulky DIP package is mostly useful for prototyping,
hobbyists and very small quantity production, not for products to be
made in serious volume.

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2002\09\12@205906 by M. Adam Davis

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Spehro Pefhany wrote:

> At 07:16 PM 9/12/02 -0400, you wrote:
>
>> I recall when 16f877 chips cost 10-12 dollars each [US].
>>
>> These 18f458 with can are not cheap, but they certianly aren't
>> expensive...  I've always wondered why the DIP packages are cheaper at
>> digikey than the other smaller packages...
>
>
> It's nice to see some stock in the PQFP right off. I suspect the
> cost has to do with handling. I've gotten several small lots of
> QFP chips that are about 98% packaging. It's not just Digikey is
> it? Pioneer's pricing is similar. I think it's Microchip policy for
> low-quantity. Many other makers are going SMT-only (eg. MSP430F)
>
> The ancient bulky DIP package is mostly useful for prototyping,
> hobbyists and very small quantity production, not for products to be
> made in serious volume.


Exactly.  I would have though that smaller packages, due to the
economies of scale, would be cheaper - less material to make, less
storage space, specifically designed for machine handling, etc.

But then again dip packaging equipment could be cheap since they are
going out of style.  One of the reasons Microchip is so inexpensive is
they use older fab equipment.

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'[OT:] Brits buying from Digi-Key?'
2003\09\17@084856 by Howard Winter
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I bought John Peatman's 18F452 book, with its PCB for the QwikFlash device.  As far as I can find, Digi-Key
are the only people doing a kit of parts, and as there are a couple of odd ones (the little LCD and the rotary
encoder, for example) I decided to buy the kit.

The Digi-Key price is $56.94 which didn't seem to bad - they add $6 handling fee for foreign orders, but for
shipping they only offered Global Express (I usually ask for Global Priority, which would have been about $6
to $9) and it doesn't tell you on the web site what it's going to cost - it was $28.75, which I only
discovered after the order was placed.

Then when it arrived in Britain it attracted VAT/Duty on the item cost plus shipping of £9.42 (say $14) and
the real pain:  Parcelforce charged £13.50 ($21) for collecting the £9.42!  Global Priority usually arrives
via Royal Mail, who charge a flat £4 for collecting the customs charges.

So after all I've ended up paying about $127 for something that started out just under $57...

Do any other Brits buy from Digi-Key, and do you end up being fleeced like this?

I've bought things from the US dozens of times, from eBay and web sites like Glitchbuster, Peter Anderson and
so on, and it's never come even close to this sort of cost - this is a premium of 123%, compared to 30% for
the last thing I bought from a web site where I had to pay VAT.

Incidentally, Global Express doesn't seem to be any faster than Global Priority (and the names don't imply any
advantage either way, to my mind), and neither has insurance or tracking, so why would the shipping cost be
more than three times as much?  The transit time in this case was about 6 days, which is at the upper limit
that Global Priority manages.

Finally, does anyone know how you can tell whether Parcelforce or Royal Mail will be used for the delivery,
based on which US shipping service is chosen?

Seeing the number of US messages saying that they like Digi-key I assume that locally they are good, but one
thing's for sure: I shan't be buying from them again!

- Howard Winter
  St.Albans, England

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2003\09\17@095638 by Mike Harrison

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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:47:56 +0100, you wrote:

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Parcel force ( >7 quid handling fee) is used for stuff sent USPS Parcel post, Normal post (3.75 fee)
for stuff sent airmail letter or Global Priority. I believe tracking/insurance is only available for
Parcel post.

>Seeing the number of US messages saying that they like Digi-key I assume that locally they are good, but one
>thing's for sure: I shan't be buying from them again!
>
>- Howard Winter
>   St.Albans, England

Digi-Key have recently launched a campaign to attract UK orders,  but seem to be making a big mess
of it: http://uk.digikey.com
They have a UK catalogue (Which I eventually got 2 copies of, after a farce of requesting one on
their 'free catalogue' form and then had them asking for payment for it....) which has prices in
pounds, inclusive of duty and brokerage fees (but presumably not VAT - they don't say) The flat-rate
delivery charge is £12, but there is a £10 handling charge for orders below £75.

From what you say above it looks like the left & right hands don;t know what they are doing as you
seemed to have been charged differently....

I think they just don't understand that we are used to the sort of service offered by RS and
Farnell, and they can't hope to compete with the above charges.
Now if they would take small orders, and drop them in a $5 or $9 Global Priority flat-rate envelope,
then that would be something worth having, but at the moment the only thing I use Digikey for is to
check approximate prices and availability on parts when designing in.
I'd suggest you contact them to explain how  poor their service appears from the UK buyer's point of
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2003\09\17@101300 by Steve Russell

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While living in the US for a number of years, I found Digikey to be very
reliable and useful. Unfortunately, shipping internationally is fraught with
the problems you describe. Now I'm back in the UK, I only buy
internationally if there is no reasonable alterntive.

Digikey is not unusual and many companies charge even more than they did - I
make it a rule to check shipping costs up front. HM Customs and Excise have
to have their cut, though this is often waived for low value items. As you
found, the real choker is the fee charged by the carrier for collecting the
duty... that just puts salt in the wounds.

I think ParcelForce and Royal Mail are different arms of the same
operation.....

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2003\09\17@125035 by Peter Anderson

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Thanks for the plug!

Recognize that not all of this is Digikey.  Digi can't
afford to take chances and only Air Parcel Post and
Express mail can be insured and they are about the
same price.

My understanding is that all Express Mail bound for
most EU countries is sent to Frankfurt (I believe
managed by the British Post Office) and then farmed
out to local delivery companies.  The whole process
leads to outrageous brokerage fees.

The moral is, when ordering from the US, try to find a
dealer who will ship via Global Priority or Air
Letter.  Otherwise, the package will be routed to a
quasi public or private firm and lead to this kind of
problem.

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2003\09\17@131817 by Mike Harrison

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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:48:56 -0700, you wrote:

>Thanks for the plug!
>
>Recognize that not all of this is Digikey.  Digi can't
>afford to take chances and only Air Parcel Post and
>Express mail can be insured and they are about the
>same price.

But how necessary is insurance/tracking for small orders..? I've found USPS Global Priority to be 100% reliable.
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2003\09\17@201502 by David P Harris

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I have to agree, I ask for USPS (US Postal Service) as it is least
likely to attract extra fees.
David

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2003\09\17@210320 by Peter Anderson

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How necessaary is insurance?

In my dealings as a seller, I feel a responsibility to
assure the buyer receives the items they have
purchased.  Thus, when I ship small orders to Europe,
without insurance, I am providing a service at less
expense to the buyer, but I am taking the risk.  Not a
big risk to the UK and to a good deal of Europe.  But
I have lost a good many orders and these are total
losses.  Not a big deal as I sell as a service and
don't depend on profits.

But, many sellers do not want to absorb this
responsibility and thus I turn your question around.
If a seller doesn't insure and you don't receive the
items you had paid for and you take the total loss,
does this bother you.  That is, is insurance really
necessary.

My point is, the neccesity of insurance depends on
which foot the shoe is on.

I have found that buyers want their stuff, and as I
say, I absorb this responsibility.  But many sellers
do not, and they insist on insurance.

Best wishes.

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2003\09\17@211714 by Howard Winter

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Peter,

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:48:56 -0700, Peter Anderson wrote:

> Thanks for the plug!

That's OK, but as it's English, you probably won't be able to find a socket to fit it!  :-)

> Recognize that not all of this is Digikey.  Digi can't
> afford to take chances and only Air Parcel Post and
> Express mail can be insured and they are about the
> same price.

Well I wasn't aware of the huge difference in cost between "Express" and "Priority", and I really can't see
what you're paying for, because it was no quicker than the Global Priority stuff that I've had from you and
others.  And the parcel from Digi-Key *wasn't* insured!

> My understanding is that all Express Mail bound for
> most EU countries is sent to Frankfurt (I believe
> managed by the British Post Office) and then farmed
> out to local delivery companies.  The whole process
> leads to outrageous brokerage fees.

I don't think ours goes via Frankfurt - I'm pretty sure it comes straight into Heathrow.  That's what
trackable parcels in the past have done, anyway.

> The moral is, when ordering from the US, try to find a
> dealer who will ship via Global Priority or Air
> Letter.  Otherwise, the package will be routed to a
> quasi public or private firm and lead to this kind of
> problem.

Yes, I normally do, but what do you do when you need something, as in this case, that has only one source, and
they don't offer Global Priority?  I'm complaining to Digi-Key about this, because I certainly won't be
dealing with them again on this basis, and I can't see many other Brits giving them any business either, if
they know about the costs involved.

Cheers,

Howard Winter
 St.Albans, England

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'[OT:] Brits buying from Digi-Key?'
2003\10\30@101218 by Howard Winter
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Final follow-up to this (and a rather happier ending!)...

After swapping emails a few times, the International Customer Service Supervisor at Digi-Key told me that I
could have asked for Global Priority shipping, by selecting "Other" from the drop-down and typing it in!  So
now we know, for the future.

She also told me that they have a British section of their web site, with prices in Sterling, including VAT
and brokerage fee.  However these inclusive prices are *way* above the currency-converted price plus VAT (an
item that Farnell sells for £144 + VAT = £169 is £191 on Digi-Key UK, both excluding shipping), so it looks
like it's better to go the route I did originally, but ask for Global Priority shipping.

Now the good bit:

They refunded the $28.75 shipping that they'd charged, as a goodwill gesture.  Well done, folks!  :-)

Cheers,

Howard Winter

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2003\10\30@110622 by Denny Esterline

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Glad to here it.

-Denny

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Final follow-up to this (and a rather happier ending!)...

After swapping emails a few times, the International Customer Service
Supervisor at Digi-Key told me that I
could have asked for Global Priority shipping, by selecting "Other"
from the drop-down and typing it in!  So
now we know, for the future.

She also told me that they have a British section of their web site,
with prices in Sterling, including VAT
and brokerage fee.  However these inclusive prices are *way* above the
currency-converted price plus VAT (an
item that Farnell sells for £144 + VAT = £169 is £191 on Digi-Key UK,
both excluding shipping), so it looks
like it's better to go the route I did originally, but ask for Global
Priority shipping.

Now the good bit:

They refunded the $28.75 shipping that they'd charged, as a goodwill
gesture.  Well done, folks!  :-)

Cheers,

Howard Winter

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'[EE:] Digi-key'
2004\04\16@053633 by Luis Moreira
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Hi Guys
After hearing so many good things about Digi-Key in this list from our
colleagues in the USA, I was very surprised about the day time robbery
prices that Digi-key is charging here in the UK. The two things I wanted
from them were double the price of the same part in the USA, mainly because
of there "handling charge and shipping charge".
How do they want to compete with RS and Farnell if their prices are the same
or higher?
regards
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2004\04\16@084941 by Mike Harrison

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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:43:32 +0100, you wrote:

>Hi Guys
>After hearing so many good things about Digi-Key in this list from our
>colleagues in the USA, I was very surprised about the day time robbery
>prices that Digi-key is charging here in the UK. The two things I wanted
>from them were double the price of the same part in the USA, mainly because
>of there "handling charge and shipping charge".
>How do they want to compete with RS and Farnell if their prices are the same
>or higher?
>regards
>                Luis

Yes, they have totally messed up with their attempt to sell to the UK. USPS Global Priority falt-rate mailers can get a lot of stuff here for $5 or $9, but using courier
services just makes the pricing ridiculous.

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2004\04\16@090851 by John J. McDonough

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Although DigiKey's prices in the U.S. are not bad, they are rarely the
cheapest on the block.  DigiKey is all about service.  That being the case,
I suspect they can't imagine someone waiting postal service sorts of times
to get their parts.

Even here in the U.S. one needs to be a little careful.  DigiKey's default
shipping method is quite pricey, and for my location, only saves a day over
the cheapest way, and sometimes not even that.

When they say it ships the same day, they mean it.  Once I called them at
around 6 P.M. to order a few things, including a part that needed to be
custom programmed.  It turns out that the person who did that programming
had already left for the day.  They called me back all in a panic when they
found this out.  I had a hard time assuring them that an extra day was no
big deal to me.  This over a $3 part.  And I'm not an especially big
customer - I probably spend around $100 a year there.

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2004\04\16@134746 by Colin Constant

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>When they say it ships the same day, they mean it.

That's for sure.  If I put the order in in the early evening, I get it the
next morning.  It's almost: order, nap, open the box.

I've had a couple of errors with them, which I guess is bound to happen if
you're a big operation moving at that kind of break-neck speed.  Once,
instead of key switches I got key caps; recently instead of a mini DIN jack
I got a 7x8 inch project box.  In both cases I emailed them and I got the
correct part the next morning.

I'm in Canada so shipping can be a problem with some suppliers.  I've come
to think of ordering from Jameco, for example, as a nightmare wrapped in a
bad dream.

Colin

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2004\04\16@162338 by Larry Bradley

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I too am in Canada.

Digikey is set up to handle Canadian orders - I've ordered a couple of
things from them with no problem.

Mouser, on the other hand, caused me problems. They ship UPS or FEDEX. I
chose UPS ground, as it was inexpensive.

When the UPS guy arrived at the door yesterday, he said "COD". I said that
I had paid by credit card. He said the COD was for custom's brokerage fees.
He showed me the invoice, for $40. The whole order, including the shipping,
was only $40. I told him to take it back, and sent an email to Mouser
asking for my money back. Nowhere on their site, including the
International orders info, do they mention that shipping by UPS will incur
extra charges.


At 11:46 AM 4/16/2004 -0600, you wrote:
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2004\04\16@163205 by Andrew Kilpatrick

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I've had similar experiences. Stocking parts for my company's
first product has cost me hundreds of dollars in stupid fees.
First of all, being in Canada means that I get that $40 fee
for each package. Also, the shippers charge, on behalf of the
government, the GST. Which is stupid because businesses get
it back anyway. It just means that I have to lay out a lot
more cash, which is hard when you have to build the products
before you can charge money for them. :)

I guess that's the only thing that has made me wish I lived
in the USA. This whole "free trade" thing is really just a
big joke.

Andrew

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2004\04\16@163622 by Jason S

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I got burned by that UPS fee on shipments to Canada with Mouser too.  I
ordered about $20 worth of CR2032 batteries, the total order was under $30
including shipping and it was all in a fairly small bubble envelope.  It
came with a bill from UPS for an additional $25.  It also took me about 2
years to get off Mouser's mailing list for catalogs.  I didn't mind getting
them so much, but I felt kind of bad because I knew I'd never order from
them again because of UPS.

I think UPS ads the fee just as a blatent cash grab.  It's always roughly
100% of the total order amount.  I've never had any problems with things
shipped by USPS, even larger and more expensive packages, and the base
shipping fee for USPS is cheaper.

Jason


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'[EE:] Digi-key vs everyone else'
2004\04\16@175458 by Robert Rolf

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Larry Bradley wrote:
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> I too am in Canada.
>
> Digikey is set up to handle Canadian orders - I've ordered a couple of
> things from them with no problem.

And their site gives you Canadian dollar pricing if you
start at http://www.digikey.ca
or choose the appropriate currency option on the home page.

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Which is why the University purchasing department puts
"DO NOT SHIP UPS!" at the bottom of every US purchase order.
They have been burned too many times by UPS's
outrageous customs charges (and generally poor service).


> At 11:46 AM 4/16/2004 -0600, you wrote:
> >>When they say it ships the same day, they mean it.
> >
> >That's for sure.  If I put the order in in the early evening, I get it the
> >next morning.  It's almost: order, nap, open the box.

I have even ordered parts more than an hour after their official cutoff time
(8PM CST), and still had them arrive the next day. THAT's service.

> >I've had a couple of errors with them, which I guess is bound to happen if
> >you're a big operation moving at that kind of break-neck speed.  Once,
> >instead of key switches I got key caps; recently instead of a mini DIN jack
> >I got a 7x8 inch project box.  In both cases I emailed them and I got the
> >correct part the next morning.
> >
> >I'm in Canada so shipping can be a problem with some suppliers.  I've come
> >to think of ordering from Jameco, for example, as a nightmare wrapped in a
> >bad dream.

As is Newark in One (nightmare).

They were the only supplier with stock on a bunch of Maxim power
converters I needed 'yesterday'. I paid the overnight shipping premium,
and put 'Urgent' in the comments field.
When the parts didn't arrive in a day or two I tried to trace the
order. Couldn't get a human on the telephone. Resorted to email.
5 DAYS later, (after I'd ordered from another supplier who
didn't have a web storefront), they replied to my email
saying that their policy is to wait 7 days before shipping
credit card orders to 'new' customers. Which part of "URGENT"
did they not understand? My complaint to the CSR manager went
unanswered, so with another colleague having a similar BAD
experience with NEWARK, I now make a point to warn any potential
Newark customer to STAY AWAY. And of course I will NEVER order
from them again. Burn me once shame on you. Burn me twice...
You have been warned.

Robert
Who now shops exclusively at Digikey rather than the local electronic
distributors because Digikey usually has stock and delivers overnight,
and the local shops are always '3-5 days out of Vancouver
or Toronto' or whereever. No wonder Digikey's printed catalog is now
the size of a telephone book.

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2004\04\16@185418 by Herbert Graf

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> Digikey is set up to handle Canadian orders - I've ordered a couple of
> things from them with no problem.
>
> Mouser, on the other hand, caused me problems. They ship UPS or FEDEX. I
> chose UPS ground, as it was inexpensive.
>
> When the UPS guy arrived at the door yesterday, he said "COD". I said that
> I had paid by credit card. He said the COD was for custom's
> brokerage fees.
> He showed me the invoice, for $40. The whole order, including the
> shipping,
> was only $40. I told him to take it back, and sent an email to Mouser
> asking for my money back. Nowhere on their site, including the
> International orders info, do they mention that shipping by UPS will incur
> extra charges.

       That's not their fault, that's UPS. UPS is notorious for absolutely
outrageous brokerage fees. I was once charge more brokerage then the item
was worth. UPS is the worst of scammers and I do something simple: if a
company wants to ship me something UPS I go elsewhere, and I tell them that.
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2004\04\16@200007 by Robert L Cochran

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Herbert Graf wrote:

That's not their fault, that's UPS. UPS is notorious for absolutely
> outrageous brokerage fees. I was once charge more brokerage then the item
> was worth. UPS is the worst of scammers and I do something simple: if a
> company wants to ship me something UPS I go elsewhere, and I tell them that.
> TTYL


I'm very surprised to read his and other postings about United Parcel
Service (UPS) in Canada. I live in Maryland, USA, and I can't really
live without UPS. They deliver fairly fast (even with the ground
service, although packages from Digi-Key seem to take forever when I
want them a lot and elected to ship ground!), the UPS delivery guy knows
me on sight, has a friendly smile and often a quick friendly greeting,
and is careful with my packages.

My United States Post Office carrier is a young woman who, simply put,
is an unsmiling oaf. She once dumped a package of expensive technical
books from Amazon.com on my deck...right after a rain. The door to my
house airlock was right there in front of her and she could have put the
package there, where it was dry. I cannot trust her to take care with
expensive packages. And USPS takes a long time to deliver packages.

Until recently I tried to avoid Airborne Express as well, because they
somehow always had problems with my packages. Then I ordered a soldering
station from outpost.com at 11:00 p.m. and boom! Airborne delivered it
by 5:00 p.m. the next day to my utter amazement!

So in general I can't live without United Parcel Service. Maybe some day
the USPS carrier will be replaced by someone much smarter and USPS
itself will experience improved delivery times. And maybe just maybe the
next time I'm in a rush I'll give Airborne another try to see if my
recent experience was just lucky chance.

Bob Cochran




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2004\04\16@200422 by Shawn Wilton

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Insane.  I hate UPS with a passion.  I ordered a monitor and it was
shipped UPS three times, and each time it came, the box was completely
trashed.  Delivery is never the same time on any given day, or even
remotely the same.  And the prices are horrific.  Not to mention ground
takes forever.

I love USPS, never had a single package arrive damaged, and they always
arrive quickly.

I also like Fedex quite a bit, but they're still a tad up there in terms
of cost for shipping.

Viva USPS in Oregon.  Boo to UPS.  Boo.


Shawn Wilton
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2004\04\16@201501 by Herbert Graf

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> So in general I can't live without United Parcel Service. Maybe some day
> the USPS carrier will be replaced by someone much smarter and USPS
> itself will experience improved delivery times. And maybe just maybe the
> next time I'm in a rush I'll give Airborne another try to see if my
> recent experience was just lucky chance.

       Hehe, well in Canada I get a completely different impression. For example,
UPS is the only courier that doesn't know how to use my building's intercom
system, I guess reading a name off a list and typing in a 4 digit number is
too much for them... TTYL

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2004\04\16@202328 by Charles Craft

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FedEx ain't what it used to be and the FedEx Green (former Roadway) is just the pits.
http://www.fedex.com/us/about/today/history/#3

Shipped a PC to my sister a few years ago and they chose to rework my label and send it to another town.
Assumed that I didn't know where I wanted it shipped to or where my sister lives. #%$%$^#$#@#$%

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2004\04\16@202955 by Shawn Wilton

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Your basing your oppinion off an incident that happened several years
ago?  Jeez.  Grudge?  ;-)  It was probably an accidental computer
glitch.  Were they courteous and respectful when you when in to have the
 issue resolved???


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Charles Craft wrote:
> FedEx ain't what it used to be and the FedEx Green (former Roadway) is just the pits.
> http://www.fedex.com/us/about/today/history/#3
>
> Shipped a PC to my sister a few years ago and they chose to rework my label and send it to another town.
> Assumed that I didn't know where I wanted it shipped to or where my sister lives. #%$%$^#$#@#$%
>
> {Original Message removed}

2004\04\16@210152 by Gordon Williams

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Yes, I had the same problem with Mouser.  I thought that I was saving a few
$ for the components, but when I got the bill for the brokerage fees, I was
very unhappy.  Receiving stuff from them by UPS was also painfully slow as I
watched it move from hub to hub across the US.  Every morning I would look
at their tracking site to see if the package had moved from one hub to the
next and how many states (if any) it had moved.  It was like a sick game.

I won't be going back to Mouser any time soon.

Gordon Williams
(also in Ottawa, Canada)

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2004\04\16@215033 by Richard Mulvey

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On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 13:46, Colin Constant wrote:
> >When they say it ships the same day, they mean it.
>
> That's for sure.  If I put the order in in the early evening, I get it the
> next morning.  It's almost: order, nap, open the box.


  Tell me about it.  I placed my last order ( for about $200 in parts -
15 unique  items - at 12:03pm.  At 12:17pm.  I got a confirmation email
complete with tracking number, saying it was in shipping.

- Rich

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2004\04\17@001245 by Bruce Partridge

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I now refuse to deal with any vendor who insists on shipping UPS.  I
relented once recently because I didn't know an alternative vendor, and got
burned again.

They sometimes take 5 working days to deliver a package, and a package that
the vendor ships prepaid typically arrives with a $40 COD bill.

FedEx is the only way to go for fast, and USPS if there's no particular
hurry.

Digi-Key is amazing.  Its easier for me to order from them than to go to the
local store.  I get it all at one stop, and can pull up the data sheet at
the same time.  And I almost always have it by 1:00 the next day.

Bruce Partridge
http://www.rebreather.ca

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2004\04\17@085302 by Larry Bradley

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It isn't their fault, but they should tell the customer in their ordering
pages that this may happen, so that the customer can make an informed decision

At 06:54 PM 4/16/2004 -0400, you wrote:
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2004\04\17@095437 by Tal

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It's a worldwide scam by ups. they charge without a reason.
once I order a medical instrument and they charge me about 40 US$ . they
told me it's for "custom's
brokerage fees..." it's not true in my country! I checked it with the
customs.
they are thieves and don't use them!

Tal


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2004\04\17@104003 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 04:55 PM 4/17/2004 +0200, you wrote:
>It's a worldwide scam by ups. they charge without a reason.
>once I order a medical instrument and they charge me about 40 US$ . they
>told me it's for "custom's
>brokerage fees..." it's not true in my country! I checked it with the
>customs.
>they are thieves and don't use them!
>
>Tal

Yes, their invoices are deliberately misleading- they say something
like "government fees", when in fact most of the $$ are going directly into
their coffers. Stay away.

Best regards,

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'[OT:] UPS scandal was: Digi-key'
2004\04\17@182654 by Tal

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Spehro & Larry

Just to say the last? word

Most of the people all around the world don't really care about the extra
fee that UPS charge them. most of them will pay the money and never say a
word. if I take it much further and compare UPS to a dictatorship (with no
democracy=competitors) and compare it to the holocaust I can understand why
the human race acts the way it does.
most of them are just afraid to stand on their rights! some are cowards,
some just don't mind, and some are too rich to argue about 40$.
or maybe UPS is doing that just overseas and not in the states where the
competition is high.

I can tell you that I'm not using UPS anymore, except when a supplier send
my goods on his account.

Tal

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2004\04\18@003045 by William Chops Westfield

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On Saturday, Apr 17, 2004, at 16:26 US/Pacific, Tal wrote:

> or maybe UPS is doing that just overseas and not in the states where
> the competition is high.
>
Well, yeah.  No $40 "customs fees" in the US.  The closest thing we
have are ever-increasing "hazmat" fees for dangerous goods like rocket
fuel, or perhaps spray paint...

BillW

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'[EE:] Digi-key'
2004\04\18@030710 by Russell McMahon

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> >When they say it ships the same day, they mean it.
>
> That's for sure.  If I put the order in in the early evening, I get it the
> next morning.  It's almost: order, nap, open the box.

Farnell are superb here (New Zealand). They dispatch orders from Australia
which is 2 or 3 hours behind us. I can order up to about 6 pm one day NZ
time and the courier (usually) deposits the order on my front porch at about
6:20 am NZ time next day. (12.5 hours later). The two countries have over
1000 miles of ocean between them plus the notional need for customs
clearance. Good service.



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2004\04\18@062249 by dr. Imre Bartfai

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Hello,

another horror story about UPS. We ordered some precious measurement
devices from Germany (to Hungary). They told to deliver with UPS. After a
month or so we queried what is going on. They told us they has delivered
in time and told us a waybill number. After querying the local UPS they
informed us to pay a horrible amount of stockage fee as we did not declare
us being ready to accept the parcel. Further investigation showed they
sent us a telegram which was reported lost by the post office. All our
data (address, fax no, tel no, email etc.) was o.k.! They themselves did
not make a try to reach us! So I avoid UPS like a plague since there...

Regards,
Imre

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2004\04\18@070644 by David Duffy

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Russell McMahon wrote:

>Farnell are superb here (New Zealand). They dispatch orders from Australia
>which is 2 or 3 hours behind us. I can order up to about 6 pm one day NZ
>time and the courier (usually) deposits the order on my front porch at about
>6:20 am NZ time next day. (12.5 hours later). The two countries have over
>1000 miles of ocean between them plus the notional need for customs
>clearance. Good service.
>
>

That is good. I always assumed NZ had a local Farnell warehouse.

Farnell and RS are expensive for most items but when you factor
in the fast delivery and the fact you can get a whole bunch of stuff
with only order (and shipping charge) it's quite reasonable. We do
buy all the bulk items elsewhere though. (Altronics for a lot of it)

I just ordered some wierd MOSFETs from Mouser the other day
so it will be interesting to see how my first order with them goes.
David...

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'[PIC] Need Minneapolis/St. Paul Store - Digi-Key'
2005\12\27@214334 by Mike Hagen
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I have been a Digi-Key customer from their inception.  I have a really LOW
customer number.  They are GREAT!  Year after Year!

My other favoite is Mouser!

Just a really happy customer of BOTH!

No problems with minimums or anything else, just Great Service!

Mike
Crestline, Ca.

2005\12\28@200132 by Peter Todd

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On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 06:43:48PM -0800, Mike Hagen wrote:
> I have been a Digi-Key customer from their inception.  I have a really LOW
> customer number.  They are GREAT!  Year after Year!
>
> My other favoite is Mouser!
>
> Just a really happy customer of BOTH!
>
> No problems with minimums or anything else, just Great Service!

I'll give another recomendation for Digikey, for people in Canada like
me. Their shipping via Purolator Canada is consistantly fast, so long as
I put my order in before 8pm it *always* arrives the next day, and for
only $6! I've never had a problem with them except for the odd time when
I've mistyped credit card numbers, and then they call me and get it
cleared up within hours.

That said, I haven't used any other distributors much, so maybe they are
somehow even better. :)

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2005\12\28@225332 by William Chops Westfield

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On Dec 28, 2005, at 5:14 PM, Peter Todd wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 06:43:48PM -0800, Mike Hagen wrote:
>> I have been a Digi-Key customer from their inception.

Did you get the free 555 timer chip?

>> No problems with minimums or anything else, just Great Service!
>
> I'll give another recomendation for Digikey

Third the recommendation, at least if you can consistently meet their
minimum order requirement, and especially if you get into their second
quantity tier (digikey prices for one of something aren't so good, but
their first "quantity discount" tends to kick in at a MUCH lower
quantity
(10 to 25) than most other vendors, and THOSE prices are pretty good.)

Their evolution as a company has been interesting to watch.  I was
pretty
surprised the first time their ad showed up in professional trade
journals;
I hadn't been paying attention!

BillW

2005\12\29@092027 by Roy J. Gromlich - PA

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DigiKey and Mouser keep me in business.  I am in Harrisburg, PA - - -
there used to be a few electronics stores around here, there is only
one of them left.  They carry some small components, but not what
you would need for even a small project.  I used to check them on
a regular basis, but haven't been in the store in over a year now.

On-line B-to-B ordering is the way it is done these days, in most
places by most people I am in touch with.  

RJG
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'[OT]: looking for Mozilla Firefox Digi-key search '
2006\06\07@111413 by Dave Schmidt
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I updated my version of Firefox to the latest and in doing so it deleted
the Digikey search plugin that a fellow pic-lister wrote.
It was very useful.

Anyone still have the Digikey plugin they can send my way?

TIA
Dave

2006\06\09@092638 by Steve Jenkins

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On 6/7/06, Dave Schmidt <RemoveMEtechsavyspamBeGonespamRemoveMEdschmidt.com> wrote:
> I updated my version of Firefox to the latest and in doing so it deleted
> the Digikey search plugin that a fellow pic-lister wrote.
> It was very useful.
>
> Anyone still have the Digikey plugin they can send my way?
>
> TIA
> Dave
> -

2006\06\09@132647 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Steve Jenkins wrote:

> On 6/7/06, Dave Schmidt <KILLspamtechsavyspamBeGonespamdschmidt.com> wrote:
>> I updated my version of Firefox to the latest and in doing so it deleted
>> the Digikey search plugin that a fellow pic-lister wrote.
>> It was very useful.
>>
>> Anyone still have the Digikey plugin they can send my way?
>
> http://mycroft.mozdev.org/download.html?name=digikey&sherlock=yes&opensearch=&submitform=Search

Alternatively you can use a bookmark.

Create a bookmark with the following properties (all without quotes):
- Name: Anything you want, e.g. "Digikey". (I have all these search
bookmarks in a separate bookmark folder, for one because they are not
really meant for direct use, and also because then they are all together
and I don't have to mark each one individually as a search bookmark.)
- Location:
"www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?KeywordSearch&site=US&keywords=%s"
(the '%s' gets replaced with the search string that follows the keyword
when you use it).
- Keyword: Anything you want, preferably short and easy to remember, e.g.
"dig". Whatever follows the keyword in the location bar gets expanded into
the %s in the location of the bookmark.
- Description: Only required if you think you can't remember what it is
meant to do :)

Then type something like "dig pic16lf88" in the /location/ field of Firefox
(/not/ the search bar!). The 'dig' part is the letter combination you chose
as keyword, followed by the search terms. The search terms (anything that
follows the keyword) gets expanded into the '%s' part of the location, and
the resulting URL is loaded.


Needless to say that this can be used for any search engine that has a way
to trigger a search by URL. Some examples of suitable location settings:

Google: http://www.google.com/search?q=%s
Google News: news.google.com/news?btnG=Search+News&q=%s
Wikipedia (En) Item: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%s
Wikipedia (En) Content:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?fulltext=fulltext&search=%s
Fedex Tracking: http://www.fedex.com/Tracking?tracknumbers=%s
CVSNT Manual:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fhttp://www.cvsnt.org%2Fmanual%2Fhtml%2F+%s


This can also be used for other purposes, not only search engines. For
example, the location "http://www.%s.com.br" with a keyword of "br"
transforms "br estadao" into "http://www.estadao.com.br".

Have fun!

Gerhard

2006\06\12@003036 by Marc Nicholas

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Do you mean the one I wrote? :-)

-marc

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'[OT]: Digi-Key Search Plugin'
2007\02\20@113726 by James Nick Sears
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I just created an OpenSearch plugin for the Digi-Key parts search.  
Thought some of you might find it useful.

http://www.jamesnsears.com/2007/02/digikey_opensearch_plugin.php

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2007\02\20@122839 by Rich

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Thanks, Nick :-)

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>I just created an OpenSearch plugin for the Digi-Key parts search.  
> Thought some of you might find it useful.
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> www.jamesnsears.com/2007/02/digikey_opensearch_plugin.php
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> -n.
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2007\02\20@220123 by Richard J. Pytelewski

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Just a personal observation..... I usually went directly to Digi-Key as my
primary source for components .... but over the last few projects I have
come to see an increase in Digi-Key's pricing versus other suppliers. Newark
was 25 - 30% less on PICs and competitive (or less) on other discretes and
passives. I do a lot more looking at "other" suppliers now...

Offered FWIW -

Rich

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I just created an OpenSearch plugin for the Digi-Key parts search.
Thought some of you might find it useful.

http://www.jamesnsears.com/2007/02/digikey_opensearch_plugin.php

-n.

2007\02\20@221549 by Richard Prosser

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If you want to send me the problem area of code I'll try & have a look
& see if I can spot anything - but no promises and no payment expected
either. (Maybe donate to the Salvation Army or someone if sucessful?)
Richard Prosser

Email direct to this email address.

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2007\02\20@221648 by Richard Prosser

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Woops - wrong meessage reply - sorry everyone.

RP

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2007\02\21@094410 by Harold Hallikainen

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Another interesting search site is http://www.findchips.com . It searches
Digikey, Mouser, and a bunch of others.

Harold


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'[PIC] AN1101, AN1103 pulled? - found via digi-key'
2013\06\02@105009 by Peter
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www.digikey.com/Techzone/category-table.page?site=us&lang=en&zone=microcontroller&docType=app_notes&technology=&supplier=150&country=global&name=App_Notes_Microchip_Technology

search for AN1101 at digi key found it. But search at microchip.com did
not... and it is called 1101a now. Data warehouse indexing fail? It's okay
it happens to many.

I SO wish the document pdf name would reflect the content. It is not that
hard to call it an1101-doc012345.pdf . I can vouch for it, since I am forced
to save them renamed like that to be able to find them again in my computer(s).

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2013\06\02@111230 by John Ferrell

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I am in agreement. Perhaps relating a .tag file to it or some such. I have collected a lot of data that is very awkward to use.

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> I SO wish the document pdf name would reflect the content. It is not that
> hard to call it an1101-doc012345.pdf . I can vouch for it, since I am forced
> to save them renamed like that to be able to find them again in my computer(s).
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2013\06\02@140635 by Gál Zsolt

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Hello,

I don't think Microchip pulled out this document:

http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/AppNotes/01101a.pdf



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2013\06\02@214838 by Peter Johansson

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On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Peter <.....plpeter2006spamspam.....yahoo.com> wrote:

> search for AN1101 at digi key found it. But search at microchip.com did
> not... and it is called 1101a now. Data warehouse indexing fail? It's okay
> it happens to many.

The search engines on most web sites often pale in comparison to google.

The following google search will pull up your desired document as the first hit:

"site:microchip.com filetype:pdf app note 1101"

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2013\06\02@220604 by Bob Blick

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My candidate for worst search engine is the one at radioshack.com

Bob

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2013\06\03@040756 by RussellMc

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On 3 June 2013 14:06, Bob Blick <EraseMEbobblick@spam@spam@spam@ftml.net> wrote:
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> My candidate for worst search engine is the one at radioshack.com

While we're off the subject :-) - has anyone noticed the recentish
change in Digikey's pricing search behaviour.
Either most lamentable  OR I'm doing something different that I haven't noticed.

I could describe the change but it's harder to do (I found after a
line or few) than just ask.
Anyone else wanting the old version back?
Any clues why the change?


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2013\06\03@090505 by Neil

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Yes.  They've limited the ability to search by price for a specific  quantity... which was a nice feature.

Cheers,
-Neil.



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