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'[OT) Bitscope Software'
1999\11\06@070251 by David Duffy

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<x-flowed>Hi All,
I was tracking down software bugs the other day with I2C & a 'F877.
Although I managed to borrow a 60MHz TekScope for the day I do
have a BitScope unit that should be able to collect logic data of the
bus if only I had some good LA software to run it with. Have any of
the PicLister's written anything for it ?  Maybe in Delphi ?  The guys
at Bitscope don't seem to have done any newer versions than the Feb
'99 beta version. These little units would be quite useful for seeing
exactly what's going on in micro-based circuits.
Regards...

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1999\11\07@165935 by g_will

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Hello David,

Yes!!  GUI Bitscope software can be found at:
http:\www\cyberus.ca\~g_will

This is my software and is currently being released free in beta form for
those that want to try it out and give me feedback.  I have plans to add a
few more bells and whistles (eg. FFT, Math and basic Help) to it before the
first full release.

It can do single and dual channel analog as well as logic at various
sampling speeds and sample lengths (much more than the current offering
from the bitscope people).  Have a look and tell me what you think.

Regards,

Gordon Williams

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1999\11\08@075752 by g_will

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Hello All,

Got the address wrong :(   Try
http://www.cyberus.ca/~g_will

for the GUI Bitscope software.

Gordon Williams

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'Bitscope [OT] (well, there's a PIC in it anyway ;^'
1999\12\24@153959 by Edson Brusque
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Hello,

   anybody here have built/bought the BitScope (http://www.bitscope.com)?

   I've built one, but it's not working as expected.

   Also, there's a mailing list, newsgroup, something related to it?

   Best regards,

   Brusque

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'[EE]: BitScope'
2000\06\15@101035 by Edson Brusque
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Hello people,

   I want to let all of BitScope owners/users here that there's a list at
eGroups about it called, of course, spamBeGonebitscopespamBeGonespamegroups.com.

   So, I invite every BitScope owner, user or just interested to join us.

   Best regards,

   Brusque

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'[PIC]: Bitscope'
2002\02\10@154007 by Ted Mawson
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I need a scope and the bitscope http://www.bitscope.com looks cool but it seems crazy to order it from Australia.  Does anyone know where I could:

a.    Buy one used
b.    Buy a kit in the USA
c.    Buy something similar

Thanks,

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2002\02\10@154842 by Mahmood Elnasser

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Try http://www.picotech.com
I bought the ADC200 pico scope from them , its great and I love it.


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Subject: [PIC]: Bitscope

I need a scope and the bitscope http://www.bitscope.com looks cool but it seems
crazy to order it from Australia.  Does anyone know where I could:

a.    Buy one used
b.    Buy a kit in the USA
c.    Buy something similar

Thanks,

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2002\02\10@163509 by Paul Holthuizen

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Hi,

Why crazy?

It's a very nice product, people at Bitscope react promptly, know
their stuff, accept credit cards and ship fast: I usually have my
components from them within 1 week after ordering (to the
Netherlands).

That does not strike me as crazy. Australia is a part of the world
nowadays.

Regards,

Paul Holthuizen



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2002\02\10@171258 by Tony Nixon

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Paul Holthuizen wrote:

> That does not strike me as crazy. Australia is a part of the world
> nowadays.

I'm sure glad to hear that ;-)

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2002\02\10@204104 by Edson Brusque

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Hello Paul et all,

>It's a very nice product, people at bitscope react promptly, know
>their stuff, accept credit cards and ship fast: I usually have my
>components from them within 1 week after ordering (to the
>Netherlands).

   I'm a BitScope user too (although I have burned mine). There's a list
dedicated to it at bitscopeSTOPspamspamspam_OUTyahoogroups.com and you're invited.

   Best regards,

   Brusque

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2002\02\11@082607 by Ted Mawson

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All,

A few people have reacted strongly to my comment that it seemed crazy to
order from Austrailia.  Please accept my apology as no offence was intended
and I have no xenophobic tendencies.  Actually, a distant relative of mine,
Sir Douglas Mawson, is depicted on the Australian $50 note!

Maybe 'crazy' was too strong a word but just because I was looking for a
supplier in the USA, doesn't exactly amount to cultural imperialism which
one person accused me of!  If there was something you wanted to buy,
wouldn't you see if you see if you could buy it locally first?  What if you
needed to return it? How much is postage from Australia?  Are there duties
to pay? etc. etc.

FYI, I've e-mailed bitscope to ask details about ordering from them.

Peace?

Ted Mawson
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2002\02\11@103401 by Eoin Ross

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Well ... The countries first settlers was mainly criminals and lepers .... : )


>>> spamBeGonePICmanspamKILLspamPORTFOLIOPM.COM 02/11/02 08:23AM >>>
All,

A few people have reacted strongly to my comment that it seemed crazy to
order from Austrailia.  Please accept my apology as no offence was intended
and I have no xenophobic tendencies.  Actually, a distant relative of mine,
Sir Douglas Mawson, is depicted on the Australian $50 note!

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2002\02\12@203512 by Brian Kraut

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And they have kangaroos.  How can you go wrong?

Tony Nixon wrote:

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2002\02\12@204754 by Sean Alcorn - Avion Sydney

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on 12/2/02 2:31 AM, Eoin Ross at .....erossspamRemoveMECHEMSTATION.COM wrote:

> Well ... The countries first settlers was mainly criminals and lepers .... : )

Yes. But they have since introduced spelling and grammar in schools here.

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2002\02\12@221722 by Ashley Roll

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Hi Brian

Yep, Kangaroo steaks are THE BEST.. Medium/medium rare, nice chilli sauce..
How can you go wrong indeed?

Lunch time here, can you tell? :)

Ash.
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2002\02\12@222359 by David VanHorn

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At 08:39 PM 2/11/02 -0800, Brian Kraut wrote:
>And they have kangaroos.  How can you go wrong?

And funnel web spiders.

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2002\02\12@232151 by David Duffy

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>At 08:39 PM 2/11/02 -0800, Brian Kraut wrote:
>>And they have kangaroos.  How can you go wrong?

Dave Vanhorn wrote:
>And funnel web spiders.

And Steve Irwin  - now that's one crazy guy !
I saw him in action at Australia Zoo (His own park - not far away).
You wouldn't get me in there with the Croc's.
I saw a US web site the other day that explained that Koalas used
to be in other counties too but the Bears & Lions ate them all !
The funny thing was that it was a serious travel advice site.

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2002\02\12@235816 by steve

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> And Steve Irwin
> I saw him in action at Australia Zoo (His own park - not far away).
> You wouldn't get me in there with the Croc's.

You wouldn't get me in there with Steve Irwin.

:-)

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2002\02\13@012011 by Jinx

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> You wouldn't get me in there with the Crocs

I'd take the crocs over Steve Irwin and his missus

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2002\02\13@012405 by Jinx

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> And Steve Irwin  - now that's one crazy guy !
> I saw him in action at Australia Zoo (His own park - not
> far away).

He has his own enthusiasm-on-steroids TV show you
know - "The Fine Art Of Chasing Helpless Critters And
Pouncing On Them Even If They're Great Big Pissed-off
Brown Snakes"

He is entertaining though, if in a"Aww leavem alone" way

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2002\02\13@024730 by Peter L. Peres

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>Well ... The countries first settlers was mainly criminals and lepers
>....  = : )

The way someone's sig put it: "Each and every one of them was chosen by a
judge". But Your remark sounds a little harsh. All the (few) Aussies and
Aussiettes I have met were cool and nice.

Peter

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2002\02\13@032557 by Sean Alcorn - Avion Sydney

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on 13/2/02 8:02 AM, Peter L. Peres at TakeThisOuTplpspamspamACTCOM.CO.IL wrote:

> The way someone's sig put it: "Each and every one of them was chosen by a
> judge".

Yes. We were chosen by the best judges in England!

> But Your remark sounds a little harsh. All the (few) Aussies and
> Aussiettes I have met were cool and nice.

You are correct, Peter. Most of us are nice. :-)

But on the above note, we have a theory in Australia that the reason the
POMEs (British) are always whinging (whining) about us is that they banished
us to this so called penal colony and kept that s*#thole England for
themselves! :-)

Cheers,

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2002\02\13@044328 by Vasile Surducan

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Well, well my dear friends,
It seems you don't like the high age of your mother queen... [ smile
please ! ]
But I must admit ( I'm not an english man as you may read from my ugly
writting style ) that australians have nice SF movies ( Lost in the space
? )

regards, Vasile

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2002\02\13@051702 by Jinx

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> Well, well my dear friends,
> It seems you don't like the high age of your mother queen...
> [ smile please ! ]

She's probably one of the more down-to-earth in The Firm. Did
you know her daughter has bailed her out to the tune of $4m ?
Has a gambling habit for one thing. I think most people see her
as a nice old duck though, very popular in WW2

> But I must admit ( I'm not an english man as you may read from
> my ugly writting style )

I could name Englishmen who write uglier than you do ;-) But they
believe they don't write ugly. At least you 'fess up

"The Weasel Under The Cocktail Cabinet" (Harold Pinter). What
a title !!

> that australians have nice SF movies ( Lost in the space ? )

And The Matrix, Mad Max. I'm tempted to suggest that Priscilla,
Queen Of The Desert is sci-fi too. But it's a little weird even for
sci-fi

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2002\02\13@055332 by Bob Barr

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On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:45:40 +1100, Sean Alcorn - Avion Sydney
<RemoveMEsdalcornEraseMEspamspam_OUTAVION.COM.AU> wrote:

>on 12/2/02 2:31 AM, Eoin Ross at @spam@erossRemoveMEspamEraseMECHEMSTATION.COM wrote:
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>> Well ... The countries first settlers was mainly criminals and lepers .... : )
>
>Yes. But they have since introduced spelling and grammar in schools here.

As I heard it, at one point, a British gentleman was going on vacation
(sorry, holiday) down under. When he arrived at the customs
checkpoint, he was asked: "Sir, are you a convicted felon?"

His immediate response was: "Oh, I'm sorry; no, it didn't realize that
was a requirement anymore."

Sorry (just another of one of those bloody colonials), Bob

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2002\02\13@082924 by Ted Mawson

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Hmmmm,

My original question was basically, is there anywhere I can buy a bitscope
other than 'Down Under'.

So far, I've learnt nothing about this so I caontacted bitscope myself; they
have kits on special, I'll probably place an order with them soon.

However, I have learnt that:
- some Auzzies still harbour a grudge again the POMs
- people eat Kagaroo steaks and they taste good!
- some POMs still harbour a grudge against the Auzzies
- some people (me included) are amused by all this ;-)

I'll let y'all know how the bitscope thing goes.

Ted (A Brit / POM / whinger that now lives in the land of the free :)
PS    $1.14 per gallon - eat your heart out POMs!

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2002\02\13@084157 by Vasile Surducan

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On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Ted Mawson wrote:

> Hmmmm,
>
> My original question was basically, is there anywhere I can buy a bitscope
> other than 'Down Under'.
>
 oh men, what don't you say that ?

 http://www.vitrum.cz/snail/bitscope.htm
 East/Middle Europe

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2002\02\13@085845 by Alan B. Pearce

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>PS    $1.14 per gallon - eat your heart out POMs!

Well at 70.9p/litre for unleaded at about US$1.45/GBP, and around 4.45
l/imperial gallon (don't know what it is to a US gallon), that's about
US1.02/litre, about US$4.57/imp gallon. Its not called "rip off Britain" for
nothing. 4 Star and Diesel are even more.

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2002\02\13@091139 by Bond, Peter

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> >PS    $1.14 per gallon - eat your heart out POMs!
>
> Well at 70.9p/litre for unleaded at about US$1.45/GBP, and around 4.45
> l/imperial gallon (don't know what it is to a US gallon), that's about
> US1.02/litre, about US$4.57/imp gallon. Its not called "rip
> off Britain" for
> nothing. 4 Star and Diesel are even more.

1 US gallon = 8 * 16flOz = 3.785l
1 Imperial gallon = 8 * 20 US flOz = 4.546l

(and, apparently, 1 US fl Oz = 1.0408 Imperial fl Oz, which wasn't one I
knew before)

Hence bemused British tourists getting something they don't quite recognise
as a pint in the US...

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2002\02\13@092704 by J.Feldhaar

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Sorry, couln't resist that one...

The fuel prices in the EU and the US are abt the same, we pay around 1
EURO, the average US citizen around one dollar.
There is nothing unfair in this.

But unfortunately, the US person will get a gallon of the stuff while I
get a litre for the same price.

Conclusion: We will have to take over the gallon here in central Europe.

My 0.02 Euro worth.....  ;-)

Jochen Feldhaar DH6FAZ

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2002\02\13@094012 by Chris Loiacono

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& I was one of those not_so_bemused US tourists in the UK during the great
petrol scandal a year or two ago. If everyone on the list had broadband
connections, i could tell you stories of how a 3 day business trip extended
to a 3 week "lets drive around the UK for a couple of weeks" trip turned
into something quite interesting.

I also went through two similar US episodes, esp the "big one" back in '77 I
think -
Americans used guns and clubs and lots of foul words to keep their places on
gasoline lines (you know- cueing for petrol) overnight. In England, Wales
and Ireland, the only ones who got tough were the Irish tanker drivers who
blockaded the road from the Cork ferry port. I was amazed about the average
persons ability to stay calm and friendly during it all.

Just try increasing fuel priced to 1/2 of those prices in the good ol' US
and watch the riots start straight away! (Learned some proper Queen's
English, also).
The only thing I don't understand is why some pubs welcomed us warmly while
others let us know that we definitely didn't belong there. The later ones
reminded me of my original home, NY. Anyway, people were generally much
friendlier there - just don't go into the wrong pub. OK, one more - why are
some fairly simple electronic parts and supplies so expensive there also??

C

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2002\02\13@094559 by Trevor Page

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       > OK, one more - why are
> some fairly simple electronic parts and supplies so expensive there also??

Why am I suddenly a bit depressed to be a Brit? :o)

Trev


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2002\02\13@100016 by Alan B. Pearce

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>OK, one more - why are some fairly simple electronic
>parts and supplies so expensive there also??

I wish I knew. There is a certain something unknown to do with the tax
system and its inherent inefficiencies, but there is something else goes on
as well.

I source model railway items and accessories from the continent. The UK
retail price for items sourced through the UK agents has been almost exactly
twice the price in German retail shops. It is possible to order a UK
manufactured car, in say Holland, Belgium or Spain (these seem to be the
favourite cheap source countries) and pay anything up to 30% off the UK
retail price, even after importing it back into the UK and paying the taxes
at the border. There are means of purchasing a car without paying tax at
point of purchase that make this possible. It is a fairly common catch
phrase here about "rip off Britain"

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'[OT]: Gas prices again, not Bitscope'
2002\02\13@100235 by Dale Botkin

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Let's tag this [OT]: please...

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'[OT]: Bitscope'
2002\02\13@100640 by Alexandre Domingos F. Souza

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>> OK, one more - why are
>> some fairly simple electronic parts and supplies so expensive there
>also??
>Why am I suddenly a bit depressed to be a Brit? :o)

       Will the subject become BRITscope? :o)


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2002\02\13@103006 by Sean H. Breheny

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At 08:28 AM 2/13/02 -0500, you wrote:
>- some Auzzies still harbour a grudge again the POMs

Perhaps I am showing my ignorance, but I thought it was POME or perhaps
POMMY (Prisoner Of Mother England)? How did it get shortened to POM, or
does that mean something else?

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'[PIC]: Bitscope - sort of!'
2002\02\13@112848 by Ted Mawson

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I believe the derivation of POM was from the nickname that the Austrailians
gave to the british sailors who were given pomegranates to eat so that they
didn't get scurvy - a vitamin deficiency that afflicted many sailors of the
time.

pome·gran·ate
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English poumgrenet, from Middle French pomme grenate,
literally, seedy apple
Date: 14th century
A thick-skinned several-celled reddish berry that is about the size of an
orange and has many seeds with pulpy crimson arils of tart flavor.

Ted
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2002\02\13@135406 by steve

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> Hence bemused British tourists getting something they don't quite
> recognise as a pint in the US...

I thought that was due to the beer.

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2002\02\13@141909 by Sean Alcorn - Avion Sydney

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on 11/2/02 8:32 AM, Paul Holthuizen at @spam@holthpspam_OUTspam.....XS4ALL.NL wrote:


> That does not strike me as crazy. Australia is a part of the world
> nowadays.

Nowadays? We were certainly part of the world when we were fighting in
Europe!

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'[OT]: [PIC]: Bitscope'
2002\02\13@143947 by Eoin Ross

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Unfortunately since moving to the USA I have begun to see why Americans (broad generalization here) SEEM to think that they were the only country outside of Britain involved in WWII ... (and other wars)

The media (including the history channel etc) focus solely on US involvement with never a mention of Aussie, Kiwi, Canadian, Indian, Russian (yes they were an ally at one point) Malaysian etc etc etc troops.

( I did hear that N.Z. lost more men per capita than the other Allies in WW II - but cannot verify that one myself.)
Few people remember that there were other nations with troops in Vietnam, Korea, etc

I guess my point is that America seems to be very inward looking and tends to be distrustful of people from other nations. That's my take on it from Ohio : )

>>> spamBeGonesdalcornEraseMEspamAVION.COM.AU 02/12/02 09:02PM >>>
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> That does not strike me as crazy. Australia is a part of the world
> nowadays.

Nowadays? We were certainly part of the world when we were fighting in
Europe!

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2002\02\13@151754 by David VanHorn

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>The media (including the history channel etc) focus solely on US
>involvement with never a mention of Aussie, Kiwi, Canadian, Indian,
>Russian (yes they were an ally at one point) Malaysian etc etc etc troops.

Simply not true.
I've seen all these on the History Channel (The Ghurkas come to mind) and
additionally, the red-tail squadron, and the Nesei.

Does anyone seriously propose that we are unaware that the Russians were
our allies in WWII??

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'[OT]: Bitscope'
2002\02\13@152652 by Jinx

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> I guess my point is that America seems to be very inward
> looking and tends to be distrustful of people from other
> nations. That's my take on it from Ohio : )

You can run but you can't hide - humour will seek you out

http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/joecolquitt/worldmap.html

http://www.satirewire.com/news/jan02/axis.shtml

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'[OT]: [PIC Bitscope'
2002\02\13@161414 by Eoin Ross

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OK, I hadn't seen any of those - can only go by what I've seen/heard in the last 3 years while here in Ohio : )
The group here is probably better educated than the people I have worked with on the factory floor too.

Might have caught me on a bad day too - caught someone muttering "Damn foreigner" after I ordered food from them - and I wasn't rude etc - just had to ask what options there were for some items they had.

(I do expect to have the odd problem being understood - but not that much being from NZ , I only speak english - never did take that german course)



>>> RemoveMEdvanhorn@spam@spamspamBeGoneCEDAR.NET 02/13/02 02:51PM >>>
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>The media (including the history channel etc) focus solely on US
>involvement with never a mention of Aussie, Kiwi, Canadian, Indian,
>Russian (yes they were an ally at one point) Malaysian etc etc etc troops.

Simply not true.
I've seen all these on the History Channel (The Ghurkas come to mind) and
additionally, the red-tail squadron, and the Nesei.

Does anyone seriously propose that we are unaware that the Russians were
our allies in WWII??

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2002\02\13@163117 by steve

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> (I do expect to have the odd problem being understood - but not that
> much being from NZ , I only speak english - never did take that german
> course)

One major difference is that we hear American all the time on the
TV and are just used to it. The same doesn't apply the other way
round.
A Russian friend of mine told me about meeting a friend when she
arrived at the airport. She was an English teacher from Russia and
spoke excellent English but the only other people she had ever
spoken to also spoke 'perfect' English. She couldn't understand a
word that was said to her and he had to translate the question into
Russian and then she would answer in 'perfect' English.

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'[OT]: [PIC]: Bitscope'
2002\02\13@163925 by John Ferrell

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Hardly.
I cannot explain about our media policies other than to offer that they are
increasingly foreign owned.  The ABC network forbids patriotic emblems,
Murdock (sp?) and Fox, Reuters, etc. All a bunch of self serving bung holes
in most of our minds.

We embrace and idolize John Wayne/Clint Eastwood/Charles Bronson mentality
and feed the children of those who practice genocide on us. We protect the
religious beliefs of some very unsavory types on principle alone.

The real facts of the matter are that we tend to think of our allies as
"us", probably because we have intermarried to a great degree. Has it really
made any difference to anyone that a short while back you made your home in
a foreign country? We don't even require you to speak our language to join
our society!

Our treaties are written in blood and our loyalties are best shown in the
worst of times. In spite of the hostilities shown to our nuclear powered
vessels, we will defend the land down under should the need occur.

Ask Jane Fonda if we forget....

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2002\02\13@170932 by Eoin Ross

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Its suprising about the foreign ownership of the media.

"Has it really made any difference to anyone that a short while back you made your home in a foreign country?"

That statement got my blood boliing - more because of what got me here and what is devolving from that situation. Suffice it to say I was lured into moving here by lies and deception - and came here reluctantly on the understanding it would be temporary.
Hence I am stuck here for a few years and willing to throw away negative observations caused/obtained by a bad living situation.

You bought up a number of things (some agreed some disagreed) ... but I don't wish to reply and cause any hard feelings between people on the List - and its got WAY WAY too far off topic really.


>>> .....johnferrellRemoveMEspamSPRINTMAIL.COM 02/13/02 04:34PM >>>
Hardly.
I cannot explain about our media policies other than to offer that they are
increasingly foreign owned.  The ABC network forbids patriotic emblems,
Murdock (sp?) and Fox, Reuters, etc. All a bunch of self serving bung holes
in most of our minds.

We embrace and idolize John Wayne/Clint Eastwood/Charles Bronson mentality
and feed the children of those who practice genocide on us. We protect the
religious beliefs of some very unsavory types on principle alone.

The real facts of the matter are that we tend to think of our allies as
"us", probably because we have intermarried to a great degree. Has it really
made any difference to anyone that a short while back you made your home in
a foreign country? We don't even require you to speak our language to join
our society!

Our treaties are written in blood and our loyalties are best shown in the
worst of times. In spite of the hostilities shown to our nuclear powered
vessels, we will defend the land down under should the need occur.

Ask Jane Fonda if we forget....

John Ferrell
6241 Phillippi Rd
Julian NC 27283
Phone: (336)685-9606
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'[PIC]: Bitscope'
2002\02\13@172656 by Sean Alcorn - Avion Sydney

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on 14/2/02 12:28 AM, Ted Mawson at .....PICmanSTOPspamspam@spam@PORTFOLIOPM.COM wrote:

Ted,

> - some Auzzies still harbour a grudge again the POMs

No grudge. We got the better end of the deal! :-)

The only thing most Australians have against the POMEs is that they are
still our highest intake of immigrants, yet they constantly whinge about
this country and how good it is back in the old country.

Australians are pretty easy going folks, but they simply can not tolerate
this whinging. The general attitude is "Then if it was so #$%@en great in
your own country, why don't you go home.

It's actually POME and we pronounce it "Pommie" or shorten it (like every
word in the Australian vocabulary) to Pomm. The word or acronym POME was
printed or sewn (not sure which) on the uniforms of the original settlers
and was an acronym for "Prisoner of Mother England"

Your original post was not useless. I was thinking of buying a similar
product from Velleman in Belgium. I have since looked at the Bitscope
product and received a quote from them. I can drive down and pick one up in
30 minutes, so thank you! :-)

Very rare to hear of Aussies eating our national rodent. They are mostly
exported. Such as in the case of the early eighties. We exported kangaroo
disguised as beef to the land of the free, home of the brave. We were not
popular back then, I can tell you!

Cheers,

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2002\02\13@174149 by Martin Peach

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Alcorn - Avion Sydney" <sdalcornEraseMEspam@spam@AVION.COM.AU>
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Subject: Re: [PIC]: Bitscope
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> Very rare to hear of Aussies eating our national rodent. They are mostly
> exported. Such as in the case of the early eighties. We exported kangaroo

...which is a marsupial, not a rodent. The kangaroo rat is a rodent, though.

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'[OT]: [PIC Bitscope'
2002\02\13@175127 by David VanHorn

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At 04:10 PM 2/13/02 -0500, Eoin Ross wrote:
>OK, I hadn't seen any of those - can only go by what I've seen/heard in
>the last 3 years while here in Ohio : )

I'm just a time zone away (sometimes) here in indiana


>Might have caught me on a bad day too - caught someone muttering "Damn
>foreigner" after I ordered food from them - and I wasn't rude etc - just
>had to ask what options there were for some items they had.

If he was wearing beads and feathers, he's probably entitled. :)

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'[OT]: It was bitscope,'
2002\02\13@175143 by Alexandre Domingos F. Souza

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>OK, I hadn't seen any of those - can only go by what I've seen/heard in
>the last 3 years while here in Ohio : )
>The group here is probably better educated than the people I have worked
>with on the factory floor too.
>Might have caught me on a bad day too - caught someone muttering "Damn
>foreigner" after I ordered food from them - and I wasn't rude etc - just
>had to ask what options there were for some items they had.
>(I do expect to have the odd problem being understood - but not that much
>being from NZ , I only speak english - never did take that german course)

       Eoin, I'll throw some light in the subject:

       I'm Brazilian. As every third-worlder, we are considered bad-educated and unpolite. But you don't see it here. Americans, also tend to be too much nationalists - as germans were in the times of the Third Reich. The fact is: Less culture, more prone to unpoliteness!!! I know brazilians who are polited like english lords. Also, I know americans that are so dammed, they don't deserve even be alive (er...Bush? :oD).

       The politeness isn't in the origin of the people, but in how much education had been given to him. There are a great majority of brazilians who are very unpolited. Just because they were born in a poor place, got no education, no attention from his/her family and was literally "thrown in the world alone". - Completely different from the ones who got good grade education and attention from their family.

       People need more education. Internet is a good way to get it. That's why people in the net USE TO BE more polite than you can find around you.


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'[PIC]: Bitscope'
2002\02\13@175149 by Eoin Ross

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The weird thing is ... "all the restaurants I went to in the outback served up kangaroo" ... thats what an American women here involved with the rugby team (can't believe how many teams there are in the USA!!) tells me - she winds up the staff @ Outback Steakhouse over that one LOL

>>> martinrpspam_OUTspam@spam@VAX2.CONCORDIA.CA 02/13/02 05:41PM >>>
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2002\02\13@183126 by David Duffy

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Ted wrote:
>Hmmmm,
>
>My original question was basically, is there anywhere I can buy a bitscope
>other than 'Down Under'.
>
>So far, I've learnt nothing about this so I contacted bitscope myself; they
>have kits on special, I'll probably place an order with them soon.
>
>However, I have learnt that:
>- some Auzzies still harbour a grudge again the POMs

Only the ones who whine...

>- people eat Kagaroo steaks and they taste good!

Getting more popular along with Rabbit,etc.

>- some POMs still harbour a grudge against the Auzzies

That's "Aussies" thanks !

>- some people (me included) are amused by all this ;-)
>
>I'll let y'all know how the bitscope thing goes.

With the right software, the Bitscope can be quite useful. (Hi James !)
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2002\02\13@184358 by jamesnewton

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Thank you Alexandre, for being the ONE PICLister who bothered to change the
[PIC]: to and [OT]: when your post was off topic!

Now, if all you other children could just learn to be like Alexandre...
<GRIN>

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2002\02\13@185624 by David VanHorn

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At 03:41 PM 2/13/02 -0800, James Newton. Admin 3 wrote:
>source= http://www.piclist.com/postbot.asp?id=piclist\2002\02\13\100640a
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>Thank you Alexandre, for being the ONE PICLister who bothered to change the
>[PIC]: to and [OT]: when your post was off topic!
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>Now, if all you other children could just learn to be like Alexandre...
><GRIN>

Fourty-One lists I'm subscribed to. One uses tags..

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2002\02\13@190429 by jamesnewton

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David VanHorn said:
Fourty-One lists I'm subscribed to. One uses tags..

James replies:
And the other 41 allow off topic posts?



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2002\02\13@190653 by Jinx

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> Thank you Alexandre, for being the ONE PICLister who bothered
> to change the [PIC]: to and [OT]: when your post was off topic!
>
> Now, if all you other children could just learn to be like Alexandre...
> <GRIN>

Ahem, I changed it to [OT], and got a friendly flame warning about
message 051720a (clearly tagged [OT] ) for my troubles, :-P

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2002\02\13@190902 by David VanHorn

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At 04:03 PM 2/13/02 -0800, James Newton. Admin 3 wrote:
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>David VanHorn said:
>Fourty-One lists I'm subscribed to. One uses tags..
>
>James replies:
>And the other 41 allow off topic posts?

That <was> a private comment.
Now, it's apparently an appropriate discussion on the piclist?

Make that 40 lists.

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2002\02\13@190908 by Jinx

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> And the other 41 allow off topic posts?

Groups I belong to are "looked after" rather than managed
or administrated in the PIClist sense. And often not very well

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2002\02\13@191337 by steve

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> Thank you Alexandre, for being the ONE PICLister who bothered to
> change the [PIC]: to and [OT]: when your post was off topic!
>
> Now, if all you other children could just learn to be like
> Alexandre... <GRIN>

Or the gentle-flame-bot could recognise that the only valid tag in
this subject is [OT]:

Subject:                Re: [OT]: [PIC Bitscope

Not beautiful but valid.
:-)

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2002\02\13@193637 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 05:41 PM 2/13/02 -0500, you wrote:
>...which is a marsupial, not a rodent. The kangaroo rat is a rodent, though.

Canadians, on the other hand, do have a national rodent (the noble Beaver).

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2002\02\13@211817 by Dale Botkin

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Yeah, my listcop antennae are not adequately tuned to the tags still.  I
did gripe about it once today, but should have followed up with more, I
guess.

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On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, James Newton. Admin 3 wrote:

> source= http://www.piclist.com/postbot.asp?id=piclist\2002\02\13\100640a
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> Thank you Alexandre, for being the ONE PICLister who bothered to change the
> [PIC]: to and [OT]: when your post was off topic!
>
> Now, if all you other children could just learn to be like Alexandre...
> <GRIN>

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2002\02\13@212044 by Dale Botkin

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How many have nearly 2K subscribers, aerage nearly a hundred messages a
day at times, AND permit off-topic ramblings?  I know I don't want to be
the one cracking the whip about list protocol here, I'd much rather code
and solder.

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On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, David VanHorn wrote:

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2002\02\14@032851 by Trevor Page

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Umm, actually, I also changed the tag in my 'Bitscope' post from [PIC] to
[OT].

And yet, I still got sent this:

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Considering myself a reasonably good member of the internet society, I'm
rather offended to have received this, especially since I was one of few who
actually adhered to the list rules.

Still, it's an honest mistake. I'm eternally grateful for this invaluable
resource the admins provide for us.

Trevor (clueless)

Maybe it was too OT for [OT]? :o)


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2002\02\14@094843 by Dale Botkin

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*I* didn't do it...

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> > {Original Message removed}

2002\02\14@101821 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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I don't blame you for being offended, it's an offensive email.  If this
email was written to try and guide people into using the topic tags
correctly, then whoever wrote this needs the "clueless" tag themselves.  The
patronising and inflammatory nature of this is most likely to make people
leave the list rather than to take notice of tag rules.  I'm pretty stunned
to be honest.

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2002\02\14@102440 by Bond, Peter

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> I don't blame you for being offended, it's an offensive
> email.
<snip>

Glad I wasn't the only one who felt the mail to be somewhat OTT.

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2002\02\14@102931 by Trevor Page

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Wouldn't have been so bad, if it were not for the fact that I DID use the
[OT] tag in the first place...

> {Original Message removed}

2002\02\14@104445 by Eoin Ross

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I got the same message - I also got one from Dave earlier than this and did change it to OT. Then on replying to ones that were still [PIC]: I tryed to barstardise it to [OT]: [PIC

Guess that doesn't work : (

Maybe a good thing that thread has died off - it was looking like turning to a flame war (and I am partly to blame) Sorry guys and girls

>>> spamBeGonedalespam@spam@BOTKIN.ORG 02/14/02 09:47AM >>>
*I* didn't do it...

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> Umm, actually, I also changed the tag in my 'Bitscope' post from [PIC] to
> [OT].
>
> And yet, I still got sent this:
>
> >Dear=clueless one
> >You=are being gently flamed because in your
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2002\02\14@105328 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Wouldn't have been so bad, if it were not for the fact that I
>DID use the [OT] tag in the first place...

but did you remove any other tags? I know my sorting order looks for the PIC
tag first, and so if there is more than one, they get sorted in the order
they get found.

Don't worry I got a couple of messages too about this thread, and for both
messages remembered after hitting the send button that I had forgot to
modify the tag.

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2002\02\14@105719 by Trevor Page

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Yep. The subject field was just "Re: [OT]: Bitscope".

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'[OT]: Bitscope / Rip off Britain'
2002\02\14@132856 by Benjamin Bromilow

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The strangest one I heard was when my brother wanted to buy some carbon fibre to lay up some laminate sheets.
The CF he found was made in Cambridge but it was loads cheaper (50%) to buy it via Hawaii than direct from the manafacturers!
Cambridge=>London
Cambridge=>Hawaii=>London

I know which one should be cheaper......

Ben

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2002\02\14@153302 by John Ferrell

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I believe you fell under the US Strategic Air Commands rule that stated:
"No good deed shall go unpunished!"

I prefer to think the ill mannered post was a prank gone astray....

I save the [OT] stuff for R&R time.

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2002\02\14@153943 by Ted Mawson

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Well I ordered it from the Aussies today!

I've been thinking about buying a scope for ages and this puppy is a 2
channel scope plus 8 channel logic analyzer all in one.  I have 4 PCs around
my electronic workbench so I guess that help me a little.

Seems it may take a few hours with a soldering iron but it won't be the most
ambitious thing I've ever constructed.

Then I'll be able to 'see' what's really happening on all those glitchy PIC
projects that I'm building :)

For those of you who don't know what a bitscope is, check out
http://www.bitscope.com

Thanks for all the input dudes (and dudettes) - heck it's hard being PC on
this list!

Ted  ;-)

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2002\02\14@160335 by steve

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> The strangest one I heard was when my brother wanted to buy some
> carbon fibre to lay up some laminate sheets. The CF he found was made
> in Cambridge but it was loads cheaper (50%) to buy it via Hawaii than
> direct from the manafacturers! Cambridge=>London
> Cambridge=>Hawaii=>London
>
> I know which one should be cheaper......

Not at all. The manufacturer has set themselves up to manufacture
in volume. Small volume sales are something they don't really want
so having high prices is a way of discouraging that. Most would
just say "[censored]-off !". Try going to a Microchip production
facility and asking for a tube of 16F84's.

Even if you ask for half a million masked PICs, the price/delivery
isn't that great for similar reasons. Microchips core business is
OTP/flash parts and that is what their system is optimised for.

I don't think you can conclude that the whole country is rip-off.

Steve.

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2002\02\14@170755 by Andrew Warren

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Steve Baldwin <@spam@steveSTOPspamspam@spam@tla.co.nz> wrote:

> > made in Cambridge but it was loads cheaper (50%) to buy it via
> > Hawaii than direct from the manafacturers! Cambridge=>London
> > Cambridge=>Hawaii=>London
> >
> > I know which one should be cheaper......
>
> Not at all. The manufacturer has set themselves up to manufacture
> in volume. Small volume sales are something they don't really want
> so having high prices is a way of discouraging that.

   Additionally, most manufacturers don't want to be in competition
   with their own distributors, so they deliberately set their
   manufacturer-direct price higher than the disty price and hope
   that no one actually tries to buy directly from them.

   When large numbers of customers DO try to buy direct, it
   invariably causes problems for everyone involved, so many
   manufacturers with good disty relationships don't even bother
   with direct sales.

   Remember the online "Microchip Store" from which you could --
   for a week or so -- buy devices direct from Microchip?  Check it
   out now:

       http://buy.microchip.com/

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2002\02\14@220600 by Dwayne Reid

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At 08:28 AM 2/13/02 -0500, Ted Mawson wrote:
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>So far, I've learnt nothing about this so I caontacted bitscope myself; they
>have kits on special, I'll probably place an order with them soon.

I jumped over to their web site but didn't see any mention of special
pricing.  What specials do they have going?

Thanks!

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'[PIC]: Bitscope - I bought one!'
2002\02\15@015610 by Sean Alcorn - Avion Sydney

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Hi guys,

Thanks to Ted's original post and subsequent Aussie bashing - including poor
old Steve Irwin - I called Bitscope today and had a lengthy chat with Norm
Jackson. He was very interested in the stir they had created on an otherwise
fairly sedate engineering type list.

He told me to tell you guys that they are investigating ways to set up some
sort of distribution from the land of the free and home of the brave. He is
still amazed that customers can be shocked to learn that something so
"hi-tech" as the Bitscope was actually developed and manufactured down
under.

We are not as stupid as we make out in our movies, you know! I recently
purchsed a USB to Optical out adapter for my Macintosh and discovered that
the very professional (US looking) company was actually based in Can-berr-a!

In fact, Bitscope are not really set up to sell to Aussies at all! I was
simply given a discount from the US Dollar prices because of our terrible
Australian Peso at the moment and then charged in Aussie Dollars.

Norm was very helpful and is pushing his PIC Prototyping boards which you
might want to check out on their web page.

Well, off to stoke up the soldering iron! Wish we had those new-fangled
electric ones downunder!

Cheers,

Sean

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2002\02\15@021858 by Vasile Surducan

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, Sean Alcorn - Avion Sydney wrote:

> We are not as stupid as we make out in our movies, you know! I recently
> purchsed a USB to Optical out adapter for my Macintosh and discovered that
> the very professional (US looking) company was actually based in Can-berr-a!
>
 Well, if you reffer to "Farscape" I was telling about, definitely you
aren't stupid ! Just irritant... ( thinking at cpt. Crighton, a
representative australian... About "Bugs" I really don't know what to say,
maybe a good movie for less than 4 year old childrens...

best regards for my australian friends, and succes with bitscope !
Vasile

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2002\02\15@032039 by Sean Alcorn - Avion Sydney

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Vasile,

> Well, if you reffer to "Farscape" I was telling about, definitely you
> aren't stupid ! Just irritant... ( thinking at cpt. Crighton, a
> representative australian... About "Bugs" I really don't know what to say,
> maybe a good movie for less than 4 year old childrens...

Never saw it. Don't know what you are talking about. Sorry.

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'[OT]: Bitscope / Rip off Britain'
2002\02\15@044111 by Alan B. Pearce

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>I don't think you can conclude that the whole country is rip-off.

Hmm, not sure when you were last in Britain Steve, but as a Kiwi living in
Britain for nearly 5 years now, I can assure you the "rip off Britain" is
true of all too many things.

I cited the example of cars a few posts back. I suspect I could buy an MGF
cheaper in NZ than I could in Britain. The new Mini price in NZ is
commensurate with the street price in Britain, despite shipping it half way
round the world.

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'[OT]:Apprentice training, was Re: [Bitscope'
2002\02\18@042539 by Bond, Peter

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Square or round bubbles?

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'[OT] BitScope w/ Logic Pod anyone?'
2002\10\08@113104 by Chris Loiacono
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I am setting up a bitscope with the logic pod for the first time. I am a bit
at odds with the labels on the pod's external connections.

Can anyone tell me which pod lead is used for digital ground?

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'[EE]: Bitscope (Was : Getting signal safely from f'
2002\11\04@132917 by Jan-Erik Soderholm
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Now, talking about Bitscope...
Actualy I thought of buildng one myself.
I would like to get some input from you who have
aleady done this.

Did you bought the complete kit ?
Or maybe just the PCB ?
Or even a pre-built, in-a-box Bitscope ?

And what about the ADC and other "special" IC's used, are
the available "down-town", or should I get them from the
Bitscope site ? (No, I havn't checked with e.g. Farnell...)

I'v checked the Bitscope site, and saw that it used the now
rather old F84 (or F84A it seems). Is the cuircit still up-to-date ?



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2002\11\04@162103 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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(I'm not sure my earlier post about Bitscope under the [EE]:
topic made it to the list, I never saw it in my inbox anyway...)

I looked at the Bitscope a couple of months ago, and I just now
thought of building one. Now, I would like to hear from other
Bitscope owners how they built it. From the Bitscope web page,
it seems as there are a number of option all from downloading
all docs and building it from scratch, to bying a ready-built Bitscope.

Did you bought the complete kit ?
Or maybe just the PCB ?
Or even a ready-built Bitscope ?

And what about the ADC and other "special" IC's used, are
they available "down-town", or should I get them from the
Bitscope site ? (No, I havn't checked with e.g. Farnell...)

When checking the design, I saw that it uses the now
rather old (?) 16F84 (or 16F84A it seems). Is the cuircit still
up-to-date ?


>
>The bitscope is a very cool tool, is it not....using it for the first time
>was like turning on the lights after working in a dark room....
>
>Chris
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'[EE] bitscope'
2004\08\31@132856 by Bob J
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Hi All,

I'm looking to get a "new" DSO, and have my heart set on a Tek TDS 210...but my better half doesn't want me to fork out that kind of cash.  I am considering the new pocket Bitscope, the biggest thing attracting me to it is the mixed signal acquisition with the logic analayzer, but the software seems just a bit basic.  Has anyone had any experience recently with the new bitscope?

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2004\08\31@154927 by M. Adam Davis

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I've had trouble with it.  In all fairness, I'm on a deadline and when I
couldn't get it to do what I needed right away I simply set it aside
rather than figure out what was going on.

The main problem I had was it didn't display 4 of the 8 logic lines in
the logic mode, and would only do so intermittently in mixed mode.  It
didn't remember settings on shutdown, so I'd have to set it back up
whenever I restarted it.

I suspect it's mostly software issues, and perhaps if I spent the time
to email back and forth they'd resolve the issues.  I couldn't find the
interface documentation on the site for this version, though (only the
older bitscopes, though it should be similar) so I can't easily create
my own interface right now.

I'm not returning it - it may yet do everything I need it to do, but it
was disappointing to have these problems right off the bat.

-Adam

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2004\08\31@161901 by Bob J

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Hmmmm....the price/featureset is certainly attractive, but if the thing doesn't work....

I was playing around with their DSO software and right off the bat noticed that there are no voltage cursors, and there's no way to save a waveform.

Regards,
Bob

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2004\08\31@234816 by Gaston Gagnon

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Hi Adam,

M. Adam Davis wrote:
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> The main problem I had was it didn't display 4 of the 8 logic lines in
> the logic mode, and would only do so intermittently in mixed mode.  It

What model Bitscope do you have and what version of DSO did you use, DSO
1.1 or DSO 1.2 beta?

> didn't remember settings on shutdown, so I'd have to set it back up
> whenever I restarted it.

They have this on their "to do" list but I wish they do it sooner than
later :(

> I suspect it's mostly software issues, and perhaps if I spent the time
> to email back and forth they'd resolve the issues.

Bruce Tulloch <brucespam_OUTspam@spam@bitscope.com> is very cooperative although he may
take a few days to respond these days :-e.

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'[EE] bitscope'
2004\09\01@074222 by Alan B. Pearce
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>I'm looking to get a "new" DSO, and have my heart
>set on a Tek TDS 210...but my better half doesn't
>want me to fork out that kind of cash.

Perhaps you could come up with a way of using an NKK switch as a display,
push the switch quickly to change range up, long push to change down, double
push for timebase ....

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2004\09\01@085252 by M. Adam Davis

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Gaston Gagnon wrote:

> Hi Adam,
>
> What model Bitscope do you have and what version of DSO did you use,
> DSO 1.1 or DSO 1.2 beta?

Pocket Bitscope, and the latest beta version on the website (notes
included with the pocket indicated that I must use the latest beta 1.2,
IIRC)

>
> They have this on their "to do" list but I wish they do it sooner than
> later :(
> Bruce Tulloch <.....brucespamspam.....bitscope.com> is very cooperative although he may
> take a few days to respond these days :-e.

When I contacted them about a shipping date (they were back ordered at
the time, but nothing on the website or order told me that) they were
very helpful and straighforward.  I don't doubt they'd be able to help
me understand and fix the problem if it's fixable on my end.

I don't want to steer anyone away from it, but it's not a finished or
production quality unit (yet) most likely due to the software.

-Adam

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2004\09\01@105307 by Bob Japundza

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> > Bruce Tulloch <bruceKILLspamspamEraseMEbitscope.com> is very cooperative although he may
> > take a few days to respond these days :-e.
>
> When I contacted them about a shipping date (they were back ordered at
> the time, but nothing on the website or order told me that) they were
> very helpful and straighforward.  I don't doubt they'd be able to help
> me understand and fix the problem if it's fixable on my end.
>
> I don't want to steer anyone away from it, but it's not a finished or
> production quality unit (yet) most likely due to the software.

I exchanged some emails with Bruce yesterday, and they said that the current 1.2 beta is not feature-complete and that a voltage cursor and the ability to save waveforms for comparison will be available in the software by the end of Sept.  I think I'm going to hold off on ordering one until I see how the software progresses.

Its a neat instrument at a good price.

Regards,
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2004\09\01@143623 by Gaston Gagnon

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Bob Japundza wrote:
>>>Bruce Tulloch <EraseMEbruce@spam@spam@spam@bitscope.com> is very cooperative although he may
>>>take a few days to respond these days :-e.
>>
>>When I contacted them about a shipping date (they were back ordered at
>>the time, but nothing on the website or order told me that) they were
>>very helpful and straighforward.  I don't doubt they'd be able to help
>>me understand and fix the problem if it's fixable on my end.
>>
>>I don't want to steer anyone away from it, but it's not a finished or
>>production quality unit (yet) most likely due to the software.
>
>
> I exchanged some emails with Bruce yesterday, and they said that the current 1.2 beta is not feature-complete and that a voltage cursor and the ability to save waveforms for comparison will be available in the software by the end of Sept.  I think I'm going to hold off on ordering one until I see how the software progresses.
>
> Its a neat instrument at a good price.

You are right, it is a fine instrument with a lot of features.
Unfortunately some of them are not usable at the moment.

I own The BS300 model. I am mostly using its logic analyzer feature and
find it very useful.

I know Bitscope people are actively working on DSO. Next Beta 1.2
version is due in a week or two. But for the time being it is very
buggy. Wave Form Generator for one thing is unusable, at least on the
BS300 unit.

My wish is they had published some kind of known bugs list as they are
discovered. That would save beta users a lot of time. By the way if
anyone know of the existence of such list, please give me its address.

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'[EE]Bitscope or not Bitscope.'
2005\11\11@081513 by Remy de Carteret
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Hi All,

I've been looking for reviews of the Bitscope 310 but haven't turned up
much. Does anyone on the list have any experience with these scopes, good or
bad? It seems an impressive bit of kit for the price.

Thanks in advance,


RdeC

2005\11\11@093219 by Paul Hutchinson

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Jack Ganssle did a review of the Bitscope 310 and similar units from other
manufacturers in April and May issues of Embedded Systems Programming
magazine.

Part 1
www.embedded.com//showArticle.jhtml?articleID=160902529
Part2, this part has the Bitscope 310
http://www.embedded.com//showArticle.jhtml?articleID=163105522

Paul

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'[EE] Anyone own Bitscope B310U?'
2008\01\30@180055 by Bob Axtell
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Does anyone own Bitscope B310U? Like to hear a report.
I am looking at O'scopes again.

--Bob

2008\01\30@181913 by Brian Kraut

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Can't comment on the Bitscope, but I own one of the Dynon PC scopes and love
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I am looking at O'scopes again.

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2008\01\30@183452 by Marcel Birthelmer

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Hi Bob,
yes, I do. (It might be a slightly earlier revision from what they
have on their site right now, I got it some 3 years ago or so.)
So it has some pros and some cons (as always). I'll do my best to list
them here, but I haven't used it heavily in quite a while (because I
haven't done much digital and I prefer an analog 'scope for analog
stuff).

Pros:
- 2 scope channels + 8 logic channels + many triggering options
- reasonably fast capture
- features like data logging/playback
- open text-based file formats so that you could take a capture log
and with some amount of work convert it into another format
- features a waveform generator (though I've never really used it)
- Has an API/SDK available so you can program your own applications for it
- reasonably fast sampling - I never had a problem with capturing any
of the signals I was interested in, but then I never did anything
exceeding a handful of MHz.

Cons:
- ADC resolution - The ADC is only 8-bit, so if you can't set your
voltage range very appropriately for your signal, you'll see a lot of
staircases
- UI hassles - this one is probably mainly my own fault since I was
using their UI on 64-bit linux (which, to their credit, worked at
all). All of the severe usability problems (crashes, hangups) were
dealt with in the last update I downloaded (a few months ago). What
remains is just the clunkyness of the UI they have. It's not really
obvious what is a button and what isn't, and the documentation isn't
immediately transparent as to what the various features actually are.
- Only 8 logic channels - might not be enough, depending on the application

Overall, I like having it around, but for quick stuff I prefer my old
HP/Tektronix/whatever 50MHz scope, which is more intuitive and
responsive. The bitscope definitely fills a niche, though.

Regards,
- Marcel




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> I am looking at O'scopes again.
>
> --Bob
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2008\01\31@050816 by David Meiklejohn

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I have a Bitscope 310U as well, and I'm quite happy with it.  Sure takes a
lot less bench space that the CRO I used to have!

But as with anything, it depends on what you need.  I'm a hobbyist, so my
needs are simple and the Bitscope satisfies them well.  I agree with Marcel
that sometimes you'll see a staircase, but generally I can switch to a lower
voltage range and avoid it.  And personally I have no problem with the UI.
Not as intuitive as twiddling knobs on a real 'scope, but I find it quite
usable.

I find that the 2 analog and 8 digital channels fits my needs well, the
sample rate is more than adequate for me, as is the buffer size.  I'm sure a
lot of PC-attached scopes have the same features, but I like having "PC"
features like FFT and dumping captured waveforms and screen grabs -
something you pay a lot more for on a stand-alone scope.

If my Bitscope died, I'd buy another one, no question.


Regards,
David Meiklejohn


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2008\01\31@173922 by Edson Brusque

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Hello Bob,

> Does anyone own Bitscope B310U? Like to hear a report.
> I am looking at O'scopes again.

    I do have an old BitScope bough about 7 years ago. Probably the
newer ones are better but I could never use it. The triggering was
terrible and lots of other problems. The UI wasn't great but maybe it
was just the way I was expecting it to behave.

    As I've said the newer ones are probably much better.

    I do have a good brazilian analog scope (Minipa), an Agilent 54621A
(wich I love but died some months ago) and a Cleverscope CS328A.

    I can comment on the Cleverscope. I've been using it for about one
year and it's simply great. Will probably buy another one next month.
Linking two of them you have a four channel analog and 16 bit analyzer.

    Best regards,

    Brusque
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'[EE] Anyone own Bitscope B310U?'
2008\02\01@041023 by Vasile Surducan
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On 1/31/08, Brian Kraut <spamBeGonebrian.krautKILLspamspamTakeThisOuTengalt.com> wrote:
> Can't comment on the Bitscope, but I own one of the Dynon PC scopes and love
> it.

Which one ?
Elab 0800 is a toy with a nasty software, almost impossible to use if
you really know how a true scope looks. If you have more than one
device connected on the USB port, everything goes in the grass, the
scope communication is hanging or is showing interesting waveforms...
And there are only two or three software revisions released in 5 years
of the product life.
If all scopes from Dynon looks the same, than definitely do not buy from them!

Vasile

2008\02\01@105013 by Brian Kraut

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I have the 080 and have not had any problems with it.  The UI is a little
clunky, but I have gotten used to it.

One thing they did a while back is to make the DLL available and publish
doccumentation on it.  I had hoped that after they did that other people
would develop their own application and user interfaces for the Dynon
hardware, but it never happened.  At least I have never seen them.  They
probably should have put something up on their web page for their users to
share applications.

The overwhelming success of Dynon's aircraft EFIS has apparently brought
development of the scope to a crawl which is a shame, but I still like mine
a lot.

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
http://www.engalt.com

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