After much thought, I have decided to release my (DOS) PICSTART 16B upgrade
"PHOENIX" via shareware. "Shareware" because I have not, as yet, been able
to complete the software to the standard I would like. Somehow, I don't
think I ever will unless I learn C or basic as trying to do everything in
assembler is just to..., just to..., well, dumb really....
However, I have something that is working and highly functional and there is
no point in just letting it rot on my hard disk. The important part,
programming the PICs, is just fine, only things like pulldown menus and file
search options etc. are missing.
Anyway, no-one complained about these omittions with my other programmers
(and lived!) but I would have liked my picstart software to give you
everything you already had _plus_ the heaps extra I'm offering.
Anyway, here is the plan...
I have a PICSTART 16B upgrade that allows the old bucket to program all of
these lovely PICS: (With adapters where required.)
16C52,54,54A,54B,55,56,56B,57,58A,58B
16C552,554,556
16C61,62,62A,63,64,64A,65,65A,66,67
16C620,621,622
16C641,642
16C661,662
16C71,710,711,715,72,73,73A,74,74A
16C84*
16F83,84* (*With data _full_ data eeprom support!)
16C922,923
PIC14000 OTP and JW (With full, automatic calibration support)
PIC12C50x (Not tested yet, with calibration word support)
(Note for my existing programmer users. Don't think you have been
abandoned, a WARP-3 driver for all the currently unsupported devices is
being tested now.)
I think that is about all of them. As you can see, it offers substantually
more support than the original product and new devices will be added.
On the minus side, as I said, I cannot currently offer pulldown menus and
file and directory search options and other "nice" stuff like this and I am
very disappointed and more than slightly bashful about it.
However, if you are prepared to for go these frilly bits, you can have a
much more functional programmer.
If anyone is interested, I would love to hear from you just so I cam gauge
the level of support for this project. I propose to put the .HEX code on my
web page and allow people to program there own 17Cxx chip (any size or type
of 17Cxx is suitable but I recommend using a JW part for future upgrades.)
Intially, all the software will be freely supplied and hopefully people will
register the software for a small amount of dollars. ($20-$25US seems
reasonable to me.)
If there is interest, I may also offer a basic 17Cxx programmer design as
shareware. This will be a minimum (read "cheap") design but enough to
program the 17Cxx parts. You will need a (any) 40-pin 16Cxx part and I will
show you how you can program the "17Cxx burner firmware" into it just using
a picstart 16B. That's right, you don't need a special 16C64/74 programmer.
So even if you have only a PS 16B, you will end up with two programmers
capable of programming every PIC device between them.
Anyway, as I said, I would like to hear from interested people as it is only
the interest in this that is providing the "push" for me to put it all
together in releaseable form. Otherwise, I'll play games allday. (love
Descent II, Quake was disappointing.)
Thank-you Piclister's for this indulgence, hope some of you found it of
interest.
I just got upgraded (I kicked and screamed the whole way) to Windows 95.
The method that the computer guys used was: Take computer. Back-Up entire
HD. Delete Windows 3.11 directory. Install Windows '95. Load Microsoft
Office and Groupunwise. Return Computer with most applications not working.
I have reloaded from scratch MPLAB 3.12.0 and it doesn't find my PICMASTER
emulator. I have checked the connections and port settings. I can't even
select it in the OPTIONS-->DEVELOPMENT menu. It is ghosted. How do I set my
emulator back up????
> I just got upgraded (I kicked and screamed the whole way) to Windows 95.
> I have reloaded from scratch MPLAB 3.12.0 and it doesn't find my PICMASTER
Deleting Win3.1 was probably not the best way to do it, but anyway, the
problem is probably that you have to install the Picmaster module as well -
you need pmr31000.exe. This was certainly the case with earlier versions
of MPLAB.
You won't regret moving to Win95. Now if Microchip would only support WinNT...
>I just got upgraded (I kicked and screamed the whole way) to Windows 95.
>The method that the computer guys used was: Take computer. Back-Up entire
>HD. Delete Windows 3.11 directory. Install Windows '95. Load Microsoft
>Office and Groupunwise. Return Computer with most applications not working.
>
>I have reloaded from scratch MPLAB 3.12.0 and it doesn't find my PICMASTER
>emulator. I have checked the connections and port settings. I can't even
>select it in the OPTIONS-->DEVELOPMENT menu. It is ghosted. How do I set my
>emulator back up????
>
>- -Mark
Hi Mark,
I had similiar problems a few weeks back, couldn't get MPLAB to look at
the emulator, tried all the IO addresses etc.. I ended up re-installing
the emulator dll's pmr31000.exe and it started to work again. However
since then I suspect the real problem was a path problem. Before doing
the re-installation try adding a "." to the front of the path in
autoexec.bat. Assuming the emulator dll's are in the application directory.
At 11:11 AM 11/18/96, Mark Jurras wrote:
>I just got upgraded (I kicked and screamed the whole way) to Windows 95.
>The method that the computer guys used was: Take computer. Back-Up entire
>HD. Delete Windows 3.11 directory. Install Windows '95. Load Microsoft
>Office and Groupunwise. Return Computer with most applications not working.
>
>I have reloaded from scratch MPLAB 3.12.0 and it doesn't find my PICMASTER
>emulator. I have checked the connections and port settings. I can't even
>select it in the OPTIONS-->DEVELOPMENT menu. It is ghosted. How do I set my
>emulator back up????
>
>- -Mark
>
> I just got upgraded (I kicked and screamed the whole way) to Windows 95.
> The method that the computer guys used was: Take computer. Back-Up entire
> HD. Delete Windows 3.11 directory. Install Windows '95. Load Microsoft
> Office and Groupunwise. Return Computer with most applications not working.
>
> I have reloaded from scratch MPLAB 3.12.0 and it doesn't find my PICMASTER
> emulator. I have checked the connections and port settings. I can't even
> select it in the OPTIONS-->DEVELOPMENT menu. It is ghosted. How do I set my
> emulator back up????
I have not run that software, but I do know that windows 95 handles the
paralell port in a totally different way to win 3.1[1] which breaks a lot
of bit banging programs.
I'm not aware of a way round it, other than getting a 95 version of the
software.
Sorry.
> I have not run that software, but I do know that windows 95 handles the
> paralell port in a totally different way to win 3.1[1] which breaks a lot
> of bit banging programs.
> I'm not aware of a way round it, other than getting a 95 version of the
> software.
> Sorry.
1) The PICMAster does not interface through the parallel port;
2) Win95 does initially virtualize hardware, but grants direct access
to 16 bit programs unless something else is using the port;
3) The PICMaster and MPLAB work just fine under Win95. WinNT is, sadly,
a different story. Microchip do not thus far seem to have made any
commitment to Win32 versions of their software.
Bertel Schmitt wrote:
>
> "sintax" <sintaxEraseME.....is-1.net.au> , relayed via EraseMEsisuserip.co.za , uploaded a
> Happy virus to this list. This is an ongoing problem and it is really
> getting nauseating. People have complained to ip.co.za several times. If
> they can't get their adolescent users under control, I move to disconnect
> the RemoveMEsisuserEraseMEEraseMEip.co.za relay altogether.
If you re-read the header, you will find that the user is a PICLIST
member also, and the message was sent to the piclist by him. So it's our
problem also. Calling him names won't help, and there is no relay in
place, it is simply a dual addressed message by a person who is a member
of both lists. You will find hundreds of users in this position. I am
sending a copy of this to the sisuser list also.
You will find the ip.co.za domain is run by a prominent South African
Piclister (well I think he is busy these days, we don't hear much) that
runs these lists at his own expense. He also started and runs the atmel
list, bascom list for atmels, and many lists for private individuals.
He started the atmel list to keep the signal to noise ratio down on this
list, as there was no venue for the atmel avr guys in place, so you will
find piclisters on many "ip.co.za" lists, I will guarantee it.
Has anyone gone to the trouble to inform Sintax that he has the virus in
his email program, so as to assist him in removing it?
He has asked a legitimate pic question, and will be unaware of the virus
problem.
How many others have we seen do just his on this list?
Or, rather than being angry, you could just be proactive and get back to our
collective roots - set up your email on a UNIX system (or variant) - tends
to eliminate 99% of the virus crap.
No, I disagree - receiving the occasional copy of Happy is good practice for
everyone.
Seriously.
Happy is ALMOST benign (no trojan is totally so) in that its one task in
life is to propagate itself.
You only catch it by running a forwarded attachment.
This is a VERY stupid thing to do.
There are much much worse things that you can contract by doing this.
If everyone who sends happy is roundly abused (in the most gentle loving way
possible of course) then they MAY get the idea before something really nasty
comes along.
Similarly, EVERYONE who receives Happy should just delete it and in the
process add unconsciously to the mental note that bad things can happen top
people who run unverified attachments.
Think of it as an excellent training and inoculation exercise.
RM
PS - I didn't see it appear in my PICList email.
_____________________________________________
What can one PIC-LISTer do? Help the hungry for free at - http://www.thehungersite.com/
Have a look - it's interesting.
__________________________________________
Hi,
where can I found the ATMEL list?
I ask bcus in the last time the local provider has serious problems to
provide the appropriate amount & quality of PICs. He told me the problem
is a minimal ordering amount (I recall 1000 by individual sorts). So I'm
afraid it starts a down-running spirale; the more disappointed customers,
the less orders, which increases number of disappointed customers etc.
Another provider now sells AT89C2051, for $2.75. Can be compared with
16F84 (but no EEPROM), or with 16C622. However, it has:
- 2k Flash
- a built-in USART
- one built-in comparator
- 128 byte RAM area
- 15 I/O pins
- 2 external IT
I guess it is time for me to think about its usage in SOME starting
project.
----[discussion material follows]----
I think a smallish problem is caused by an otherwise good thing: the great
variety of PICs. It may be a fine but if you think e. g. the
following: there are 16C620, 621, 622, both for 4 and 20 MHz and in a wide
variety of housing, would not be an advantage to keep only one, say
16C622? The economy of scale would decrease the price so that single one
would cost as many as the 620 nowadays? (I forget the temperature variety,
which also doubles the count of sorts...)
On the other hand, as Mchip has announced the new flash types, it lead to
extremely high expectations, especially because of competing producers has
similar products (Hitachi, Atmel, etc). This lead also to a decreased
demand for another PICs. On the other hand, MChip announced also the 18Cxx
line. Such way the firm landed in a bottleneck.
I do not know whether Mchip is strong enough to cope with this bundle of
home-made problems, but I wish him (in the interest all of us) good luck.
I would suggest to clean up the production line and decrease the variety.
Not to forget that Mchip offers his production line alone (in my opinion
SX is not a true alternative due to the limited stack depth), contrary to
the '51 line, where one has a choice to select among different producers
(Intel, Dallas, Philips, Atmel, Siemens and many others).
> Bertel Schmitt wrote:
> >
> > "sintax" <sintaxSTOPspamspam_OUTis-1.net.au> , relayed via spamBeGonesisuserSTOPspamEraseMEip.co.za , uploaded a
> > Happy virus to this list. This is an ongoing problem and it is really
> > getting nauseating. People have complained to ip.co.za several times. If
> > they can't get their adolescent users under control, I move to disconnect
> > the KILLspamsisuserspamBeGoneip.co.za relay altogether.
>
> If you re-read the header, you will find that the user is a PICLIST
> member also, and the message was sent to the piclist by him. So it's our
> problem also. Calling him names won't help, and there is no relay in
> place, it is simply a dual addressed message by a person who is a member
> of both lists. You will find hundreds of users in this position. I am
> sending a copy of this to the sisuser list also.
>
> You will find the ip.co.za domain is run by a prominent South African
> Piclister (well I think he is busy these days, we don't hear much) that
> runs these lists at his own expense. He also started and runs the atmel
> list, bascom list for atmels, and many lists for private individuals.
>
> He started the atmel list to keep the signal to noise ratio down on this
> list, as there was no venue for the atmel avr guys in place, so you will
> find piclisters on many "ip.co.za" lists, I will guarantee it.
>
> Has anyone gone to the trouble to inform Sintax that he has the virus in
> his email program, so as to assist him in removing it?
>
> He has asked a legitimate pic question, and will be unaware of the virus
> problem.
> How many others have we seen do just his on this list?
>
> Don McKenzie EraseMEdonEraseMEdontronics.comhttp://www.dontronics.com
>
> Don's Download Dungeon: http://www.dontronics.com/download.html
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> Win $500USD Cash. Micro design contest: http://www.simmstick.com
>
>
Use LEAVE instead of JOIN to remove yourself from the list. Send all
commands to the list server from the same Email account.
However I attempted to join a few days ago without success. Didn't get a
message returned, so I don't know if there is a problem or not. Just
tried again now, in fact this message was a reminder.
Both lists are lightly active, perhaps two to ten
messages in a day; responsiveness and S/N are
quite high.
AVA and the GCC port to AVR are both awesome, BTW.
I've been tinkering with GCC on an AT90S8535, and
it works very well.
--Bob
On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 05:34:58PM +1000, Don McKenzie wrote:
> root wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > where can I found the ATMEL list?
>
> Looks like this:
>
> - Send message to .....atmel-requestRemoveMEpic.co.za with the word
> - JOIN
> - in the message body
...
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<BLOCKQUOTE AUTHOR="root">Not to forget that Mchip offers his production
line alone (in my opinion
SX is not a true alternative due to the limited stack depth)</BLOCKQUOTE>
How do you figure the SX (I assume you mean the Scenix SX) has a more
limited stack depth than the PIC?
All the Sx's have a stack depth of 8 and I don't remember seeing any PIC's
with a deeper stack. Please tell me where I am going wrong on this.
> <BLOCKQUOTE AUTHOR="root">Not to forget that Mchip offers his production
> line alone (in my opinion
> SX is not a true alternative due to the limited stack depth)</BLOCKQUOTE>
>
> How do you figure the SX (I assume you mean the Scenix SX) has a more
> limited stack depth than the PIC?
> All the Sx's have a stack depth of 8 and I don't remember seeing any PIC's
> with a deeper stack. Please tell me where I am going wrong on this.
>
>
> James Newton, webmaster http://get.to/techref
> (hint: you can add your own private info to the techref)
> jamesnewtonEraseMEgeocities.com
> 1-619-652-0593 phoneÊ
>
>
David Lions wrote:
>
> EEPROM, 24C65, made by microchip.
>
> I have one here with a 9910 datecode, so I know they exist.
>
> Where is the datasheet? I tried searching. The best I can find is 24C64.
>
> Help.
>
> David Lions
> Lab Technician
> Miva Corporation
The Data Sheet id DS21058D but I cannot find a web reference.
David Lions wrote:
>
> EEPROM, 24C65, made by microchip.
>
> I have one here with a 9910 datecode, so I know they exist.
>
> Where is the datasheet? I tried searching. The best I can find is 24C64.
I think you fill find they removed it, obsolete.
I have a pdf of it, if you still need it, just let me know, and I'll
forward it on.
> From: Don McKenzie <EraseMEdon@spam@DONTRONICS.COM>
> To: @spam@PICLISTspam_OUT.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Where is the f*&!@#$ 24C65 datasheet? [OT]
> Date: 12 April, 2000 3:05
>
> David Lions wrote:
> >
> > EEPROM, 24C65, made by microchip.
> >
> > I have one here with a 9910 datecode, so I know they exist.
> >
> > Where is the datasheet? I tried searching. The best I can find is
ne.com.au.
